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Abortion is murder 1
#21346394 - 02/28/15 11:11 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Allow me to attack this issue from two angles.
The first one: the embryo/fetus is an organism that is both 1. alive and 2. contains human DNA. An organism that is both alive and which contains human DNA is human life. Murder is the deliberate killing of human life. And since abortion is the deliberate killing of the embryo/fetus, which I just proved above to be human life, therefore, abortion is murder.
Angle 2: if you ask any reasonable human whether it should be illegal to deliberately kill a human life, I am sure he/she would say yes. Then, you tell him/her that the embryo/fetus is an organism that is both alive and which contains human DNA. An organism that is alive and which contains human DNA is human life. And abortion is the deliberate killing of a human life. And since he/she just said that it should be illegal to deliberately kill a human life, therefore, abortion should be illegal.
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Re: Abortion is murder [Re: WAN] 1
#21346406 - 02/28/15 11:18 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Abortion is also a problem solver
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Re: Abortion is murder [Re: Funji Guy]
#21346412 - 02/28/15 11:19 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Funji Guy said: Abortion is also a problem solver
By your logic, murder is a also a problem solver, so lets round up the excess populations of China and India and start killing them. Solves the over-population problem, right?
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Re: Abortion is murder [Re: WAN] 1
#21346416 - 02/28/15 11:21 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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WAN said: the embryo/fetus is an organism that is both 1. alive and 2. contains human DNA. An organism that is both alive and which contains human DNA is human life. Murder is the deliberate killing of human life. And since abortion is the deliberate killing of the embryo/fetus, which I just proved above to be human life, therefore, abortion is murder.
By your own logic, masturbation is mass murder - correct?
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
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WAN said: the embryo/fetus is an organism that is both 1. alive and 2. contains human DNA. An organism that is both alive and which contains human DNA is human life. Murder is the deliberate killing of human life. And since abortion is the deliberate killing of the embryo/fetus, which I just proved above to be human life, therefore, abortion is murder.
By your own logic, masturbation is mass murder - correct? 
No. Sperm is a gamete. It is not an embryo, which contains the full set of human chromosomes. An embryo is human life.
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Re: Abortion is murder [Re: WAN]
#21346447 - 02/28/15 11:32 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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WAN said: An embryo is human life.
Human personhood is what we should be concerned about.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
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WAN said: the embryo/fetus is an organism that is both 1. alive and 2. contains human DNA. An organism that is both alive and which contains human DNA is human life. Murder is the deliberate killing of human life. And since abortion is the deliberate killing of the embryo/fetus, which I just proved above to be human life, therefore, abortion is murder.
By your own logic, masturbation is mass murder - correct? 
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Re: Abortion is murder [Re: WAN]
#21346553 - 03/01/15 12:29 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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WAN said:
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Funji Guy said: Abortion is also a problem solver
By your logic, murder is a also a problem solver, so lets round up the excess populations of China and India and start killing them. Solves the over-population problem, right?
Yes. How do you think the jewish population dropped? It does infact solve over-populated areas.
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Re: Abortion is murder [Re: Funji Guy]
#21346557 - 03/01/15 12:32 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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depends on the situation really i dont believe in just killing it when its ready to be born, but right away, have at it. i personaly wouldnt want my wife to, because i love kids. But if a person wants to thats their choice.
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Re: Abortion is murder [Re: Algo]
#21346571 - 03/01/15 12:38 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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i dont think that choosing to kill a human should be legal
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Re: Abortion is murder [Re: WAN]
#21346582 - 03/01/15 12:44 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Probably a discussion that's more suited for the Philosophy, Sociology & Psychology forum.
From a political perspective, majority opinion should rule, and right now the majority is ok with abortion.
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if the majority is misinformed, then what?
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If this was about "misinformation", then we could debate it here. But this is about when personhood begins, which is a philosophical matter of personal opinion.
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Re: Abortion is murder [Re: WAN] 1
#21347174 - 03/01/15 08:35 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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WAN said: Allow me to attack this issue from two angles.
The first one: the embryo/fetus is an organism that is both 1. alive and 2. contains human DNA. An organism that is both alive and which contains human DNA is human life. Murder is the deliberate killing of human life. And since abortion is the deliberate killing of the embryo/fetus, which I just proved above to be human life, therefore, abortion is murder.
Angle 2: if you ask any reasonable human whether it should be illegal to deliberately kill a human life, I am sure he/she would say yes. Then, you tell him/her that the embryo/fetus is an organism that is both alive and which contains human DNA. An organism that is alive and which contains human DNA is human life. And abortion is the deliberate killing of a human life. And since he/she just said that it should be illegal to deliberately kill a human life, therefore, abortion should be illegal.
I get what you are saying and totally agree op, you think removing cancer cells from a person should be illegal and is murder...we need to stop the madness.
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Re: Abortion is murder [Re: mandrin13]
#21350769 - 03/02/15 05:46 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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you can drink Ganoderma tea
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OP can you cite and legal or scientific literature that defines a human as any mass of cells that contains human DNA? You cannot make these definitions yourself as you are not an authority.
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