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Homegrown Mushrooms vs. "Dealer" Shrooms - Potency Question * 1
    #21343750 - 02/28/15 03:14 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I have a question n was hoping anyone with any theories could chime in here.

one of my boys on this site and I have been growing shrooms for a while. the thing is, we both notice a potency issue with our grows. hes taken doses up to 9.5 grams, and ive ventured as far as 6.5 without REALLY pushing the limits. I should also note that we've grown multiple strains of p. cubensis (b+, golden teacher, ksss, etc)

the thing is, when I used to buy shrooms from my dealer a few years back, I was eating an 1/8th and tripping BALLS. I remember that 3.5 grams would have me so physically high that it was often difficult to not vomit on the comeup and they had me hallucinating for close to 8 hours, and pretty intensely.

im wondering if this is just an issue with homegrowns. I know the guy I used to cop from was picking them out in the mountains out west and driving them back to the east coast.

any replies are appreciated!

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Re: Homegrown Mushrooms vs. "Dealer" Shrooms - Potency Question [Re: m4dScientist] * 1
    #21343967 - 02/28/15 03:24 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I personally think this whole dealer vs. homegrown shroom debate is way overblown.

The only thing stopping you from achieving a high potency strain of mushroom is lack of isolating, testing, and preserving. A good dealer is probably doing this. They have spent the time experimenting and finding isolates that perform well and are extremely potent. They probably tuck this isolate away via slant and can grow from it indefinitely.

If you and your buddy are growing from MS every time, you are going to have extreme potency variation from flush to flush and tub to tub.

On a final note, mindset has so much to do with tripping that if you believe "dealer" shrooms are going to be more potent, subconsciously you may believe you're tripping harder.

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Re: Homegrown Mushrooms vs. "Dealer" Shrooms - Potency Question [Re: Scrimshaw] * 1
    #21344098 - 02/28/15 03:29 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Grow cyans


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Re: Homegrown Mushrooms vs. "Dealer" Shrooms - Potency Question [Re: Scrimshaw] * 1
    #21344330 - 02/28/15 04:00 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

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I personally think this whole dealer vs. homegrown shroom debate is way overblown.

The only thing stopping you from achieving a high potency strain of mushroom is lack of isolating, testing, and preserving. A good dealer is probably doing this. They have spent the time experimenting and finding isolates that perform well and are extremely potent. They probably tuck this isolate away via slant and can grow from it indefinitely.

If you and your buddy are growing from MS every time, you are going to have extreme potency variation from flush to flush and tub to tub.

On a final note, mindset has so much to do with tripping that if you believe "dealer" shrooms are going to be more potent, subconsciously you may believe you're tripping harder.




youre totally right, thanks for the advice :thumbup:

as far as tripping goes, i never really have any expectations going into a trip. these are just some things ive noticed over the course of the last few weeks.

and i definitely think mindset plays into it, however, 3.5 grams used to have me hallucinating, straight up seeing things that don't exist. anything from 5-6.5 grams now has me seeing things as distorted, but not visuals in the manner that i used to.

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Re: Homegrown Mushrooms vs. "Dealer" Shrooms - Potency Question [Re: Matt87]
    #21344334 - 02/28/15 04:01 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Grow cyans




out of curiosity, what is your experience compared to cubensis?

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Re: Homegrown Mushrooms vs. "Dealer" Shrooms - Potency Question [Re: m4dScientist]
    #21344508 - 02/28/15 04:37 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Cyans are 1.3 times more than cubensis but also have another chemical baeocystin.

Cubes are variable and can be just as potent and provide a trip equivalent to cyans because I've had a bunk 6 gram trip from cyans , it just wasn't my luck. I've had a great visual trip from a half 8th of cubes.

The majority of good cyan trips outweigh the number of good cube trips though because theyre active at .07-1gram -- 2 grams of cyans is a solid dose.

if your in zone 5 and above you can get them to produce in planter boxes or on the ground.

Dealer mushrooms have been higher quality than homegrown and I think its just a placebo from not growing your own. Its like wanting something you don't have , then when you have what youve been waiting for the idea seems so much better but its just an idea and theyre typically the same mushrooms.  You've just held them to higher standard because you paid for them.

when you have lots of mushrooms they become less valuable to you.


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Re: Homegrown Mushrooms vs. "Dealer" Shrooms - Potency Question [Re: JayZ Morgan] * 1
    #21344566 - 02/28/15 04:48 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Im waiting for LogicalChaos to come in this thread and explain this shit.


WHERE ARE YA BUDDY?!



OP...the same fucking thing is the case for me. Every damn strain I grow is absolutely WEAK. When I buy dealer shrooms that are not homegrown...they are fucking INSANE. Literally...1/8 of the dealer shrooms equals like 10 grams of my homegrown...and this includes PE and APE.

1/8 of dealer shrooms got me entity contact. It was the 1st and only time mushrooms got me entity contact. I wouldn't even dream of any amount of my shitty-ass homegrown to do that for me. Even in the 10+ gram range.

I gave my mom an 8th of my homegrown 3 days ago, and she had a "light" trip, she said.


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Re: Homegrown Mushrooms vs. "Dealer" Shrooms - Potency Question [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21344873 - 02/28/15 05:12 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Im right here my main man! :awelol:

Oh dealer shrooms. Theres really no comparsion.

Homegrown is nice and mellow, dealer cubes are on another level (hey, its a mnemonic poem!)



Heres a break down. On a gram of home grown, i can function easily in public. No prob. Even up to 1.5 grams.

Now on dealer shrooms, do NOT trip on a gram in public! Way too potent a shroom to do that and not get caught! On one gram, im frying ballz and acting like a crazy lunatic from the intensity. Ive written about it in my journal as well.

If i could quantify the difference, dealer cubes are about 2-3 times more potent (maybe more) than my homegrown.

my strongest trip ive had was exactly 2.4 grams of dealer cubes i weighed out. It was so intense, i was not even close to ready for the onslaught of psychedelia that washed over my brain. Not quite entity contact as with Bill, but if i had taken another gram, i bet i would have! I was hallucinating pretty damn hard.

Dealer shrooms are FOR SERIOUS TRIPPERS ONLY! Not for newbies.


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Re: Homegrown Mushrooms vs. "Dealer" Shrooms - Potency Question [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #21344991 - 02/28/15 05:21 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I knew you would show :douchewink:


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..

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Re: Homegrown Mushrooms vs. "Dealer" Shrooms - Potency Question [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21345072 - 02/28/15 05:26 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Hell yah :solidnod:

I got ya dawg :chilldog:

"Dealer shrooms FOR LIFE" :lol:

what do u think? Good tattoo for my arm or what?

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Re: Homegrown Mushrooms vs. "Dealer" Shrooms - Potency Question [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #21345099 - 02/28/15 05:27 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I like it!


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..

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Re: Homegrown Mushrooms vs. "Dealer" Shrooms - Potency Question [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21345276 - 02/28/15 05:45 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

So let me get this straight...

There are "dealers" out there who somehow posses this special super strain of shrooms that are impossible to replicate by the home grower? I don't buy it. Who is growing for these dealers? Someone clearly is, and I'm willing to bet it is in a home somewhere. Therefore, even dealer shrooms are homegrown.

I'm not trying to start an argument on this, and I'm not going to discount the experiences you had with shrooms you bought from someone else, but I have to disagree with you that a dealer has the capability to produce more potent shrooms than you could if you tried some advanced techniques.

Take beer for example. Budweiser is always going to have about 5% alcohol and taste the same. That's because they have been doing it forever and their quality control is amazing. You can make your own beer at home that tastes great, but then try to make the same recipe again, only to find it tastes different.

The a dealer is Budweiser in this analogy. They have their process down to a science and are using potent isolates they've cloned and stored. The homebrewer is you, using MS expecting the same results each time. It's just not going to happen. However, if you invest the time and effort into equipment, procedure and storage, you can get the same results over and over again.

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Re: Homegrown Mushrooms vs. "Dealer" Shrooms - Potency Question [Re: Scrimshaw] * 1
    #21345296 - 02/28/15 05:51 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

im not saying that there arnt people that can grow homegrown shrooms that are potent as dealer mushrooms.

im just saying I have never eaten a homegrown mushroom that has ever came close to comparing to the mushrooms that dealers have.

I find it hard to believe that a homegrower can produce a mushroom MORE powerful than the dealer mushrooms I have had. I might be wrong, though. I just don't get it, either. I have no idea why all the PE's I have grown so not come anywhere near the potency of the dealer mushrooms I have come across. it makes no sense.


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..

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Re: Homegrown Mushrooms vs. "Dealer" Shrooms - Potency Question [Re: Scrimshaw]
    #21345327 - 02/28/15 05:58 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

If You sold cubensis which are bunk in your opinion wouldn't they instantly become dealer shrooms and  possibly be higher in potency ? I mean were getting the same cubes whether we grow them , hunt them , or buy them , they were all homegrown or home picked at one point or another.

I think that when you buy the shrooms you place a higher value on them t and they' become more important thus creating a significant trip than the ones you grew. That's definitly the case with me because I went out of way to buy mushrooms , I rode my bike 10 miles the first time I bought shrooms , its like one of those stories your great grandpa tells you about walking to school in the snow.

The likely scenArio is the dealer isolated and cloned a reliable mushroom so the results are always consistent , how ever most shrooms are grown multi spore so all have the potential to be face warping potent.

I would like to have confidence in other people so I'm assuming 50/50 are educated and patent enough to isloate.  But in reality the numbers Probually aren't that high


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Re: Homegrown Mushrooms vs. "Dealer" Shrooms - Potency Question [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21345333 - 02/28/15 06:01 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Thats my thoughts exactly.

Lets face it, my growing skills are weak. Dealers though have MASTERED growing, which is why they  have super potent shrooms. I mean, if u wanna  compete with other shroom dealers, u gotta grow the most CONSISTENTLY super-potent cubes  possibly.

i believe only growers like RoadKill, croir, P@@Syfart or RogerRabbit, or really any of the trusted cultivators, can sucessfully grow dealer-equivelent shrooms.

I remember a famous RR quote that went "eat shrooms till your full". Well, if he was growing dealer-grade cubes and "eating till he's full". Dude. He would legally insane by now.

Can a normal person grow dealer-grade cubes? I vote NO.

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Re: Homegrown Mushrooms vs. "Dealer" Shrooms - Potency Question [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #21345605 - 02/28/15 07:33 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I have always found the opposite to be true. All of the 'homegrown' mushrooms I have had have always been far superior to what I have ever bought from a dealer. Maybe I am lucky, or maybe the dealers I have known are amateurs :shrug:


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Re: Homegrown Mushrooms vs. "Dealer" Shrooms - Potency Question [Re: Scrimshaw]
    #21345612 - 02/28/15 07:36 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Scrimshaw said:
I personally think this whole dealer vs. homegrown shroom debate is way overblown.

The only thing stopping you from achieving a high potency strain of mushroom is lack of isolating, testing, and preserving. A good dealer is probably doing this. They have spent the time experimenting and finding isolates that perform well and are extremely potent. They probably tuck this isolate away via slant and can grow from it indefinitely.

If you and your buddy are growing from MS every time, you are going to have extreme potency variation from flush to flush and tub to tub.

On a final note, mindset has so much to do with tripping that if you believe "dealer" shrooms are going to be more potent, subconsciously you may believe you're tripping harder.


:seriousthankyou:


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Re: Homegrown Mushrooms vs. "Dealer" Shrooms - Potency Question [Re: randoman]
    #21345623 - 02/28/15 07:42 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

If you want the shrooms you buy just get one that the cap is still closed and take a spore sample on some agar and presto it's just what their growing
I know because I've done this several times

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Re: Homegrown Mushrooms vs. "Dealer" Shrooms - Potency Question [Re: 99.99]
    #21345638 - 02/28/15 07:49 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

People get better at doing things the longer they do them. Old ideas are recorded and then passed down to younger generations. These younger generations take these great old recorded ideas and improve upon them.
Somebody should really make a website where these ideas can be shared.:jah:


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Re: Homegrown Mushrooms vs. "Dealer" Shrooms - Potency Question [Re: randoman]
    #21345694 - 02/28/15 08:08 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

What substrate are you guys growing your weak cubes on?  The only times I grew cubes I did it on HPOO and those motherfuckers were the some of the strongest cubes I've ever had, 2g was enough to get me flying.  In general, I prefer woodlovers though, if you live in an area where it's possible, get an outdoor patch of psilocybe cyanescens or ovoideocystidiata going.  They will beat the pants off of anybody's cubensis. :shrug:

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