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Does a contam typically cause weak fruits?
    #21339593 - 02/27/15 05:54 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

My last KSSS monotub gave one big flush and then stalled from contamination (looked like trichoderma).

I had read that fruits grown on contaminated substrates were supposed to still be edible, and they were, but SO WEAK!

Is the contam the cause of this loss of potency, or did I just get unlucky with genetics?


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Re: Does a contam typically cause weak fruits? [Re: Junior Fungus]
    #21340017 - 02/27/15 07:50 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Probably genetics dude, but I dont really have anything to base that on haha

Except that its never happened to me :shrug:

It was an MS grow?


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Re: Does a contam typically cause weak fruits? [Re: mushpunx] * 1
    #21340304 - 02/27/15 08:57 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I THINK it does make them less potent. I have nothing but experience to base that.
In my mind, my reasoning is that it has an effect on the vigor of the myc. because there is a battle going on between your myc. and the contam. And the end result is your little shroomy soldiers are weak asses from battle.

(lol, i been smokin):jah:


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Re: Does a contam typically cause weak fruits? [Re: Heisenburg]
    #21340545 - 02/27/15 09:43 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Great question,

I also think it does like Heisen but maybe someone smarter will give us some insight.


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Re: Does a contam typically cause weak fruits? [Re: taGyo]
    #21340635 - 02/27/15 10:09 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

:takingnotes:


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Re: Does a contam typically cause weak fruits? [Re: concrete_666]
    #21340910 - 02/27/15 11:21 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Would it be the same for like late flush mushrooms too then?


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Re: Does a contam typically cause weak fruits? [Re: mushpunx]
    #21340921 - 02/27/15 11:23 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I had a bacterial TC tub last year that is pretty potent. Doesn't mean much, but they aren't weak by any means.


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Re: Does a contam typically cause weak fruits? [Re: mushpunx] * 1
    #21342689 - 02/28/15 11:19 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Would it be the same for like late flush mushrooms too then?




I have been told by friends that my late/last mushies are not as good as my earlier mushies.


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Re: Does a contam typically cause weak fruits? [Re: Heisenburg]
    #21342709 - 02/28/15 11:22 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Funny Heisenberg, I hear the opposite all the time.


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Re: Does a contam typically cause weak fruits? [Re: taGyo]
    #21342747 - 02/28/15 11:30 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Funny Heisenberg, I hear the opposite all the time.



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Weird. I would love to know if there is anything to it.

Anyone else, thoughts, input?


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Re: Does a contam typically cause weak fruits? [Re: Heisenburg]
    #21342760 - 02/28/15 11:32 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I can't wait till kits come out so we can test the damn potency of our shrooms.


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Re: Does a contam typically cause weak fruits? [Re: taGyo]
    #21343182 - 02/28/15 12:57 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

:idea:  :biggrin:


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Re: Does a contam typically cause weak fruits? [Re: taGyo]
    #21343416 - 02/28/15 01:56 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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I can't wait till kits come out so we can test the damn potency of our shrooms.




Group buy a GC/MS :hehehe:

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Re: Does a contam typically cause weak fruits? [Re: Guardian187]
    #21344793 - 02/28/15 05:09 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I think bacteria does slow down mushrooms and therefore weakens potency but if the contams aren't weakening the mycelium much the subsequent flushes could become more potent due to the saprotrophic digestion supplying more nutrients as the substrate is broken down.

If your substrate takes time to break down, later flushes should be better. If bacteria sets in and weakens the mycelium the early flushes will be better.

Genetics always plays a role of course!

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Re: Does a contam typically cause weak fruits? [Re: Toadstool5]
    #21348194 - 03/01/15 01:12 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Wow I'm glad I asked! Special thanks go to Heisenberg and Toadstool for their experience.

I think it would make a lot of sense for the mushrooms to be weaker once the mycelium is compromised by a contam like trich. If the mycelium is attacked by trich, it chooses to shoot up as many shrooms as possible right away in order to spread spores quickly and enable the species to survive. I believe that in this rush, the mycelium forms mushrooms that are not as healthy as the normal mushrooms, which results in a loss of potency. This is all conjecture for now, but I think it's plausible.

Of course in my case it may just have been genetics.


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Re: Does a contam typically cause weak fruits? [Re: Junior Fungus]
    #21348298 - 03/01/15 01:38 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

The strongest mushrooms I have ate came from bacterial substrates. :shrug:

then again strong is subjective and it depends on the genetics you fruit.

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Re: Does a contam typically cause weak fruits? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #21348742 - 03/01/15 03:39 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

So I guess the consensus is it doesn't matter if it's contamed, the genetics will determine potency anyway :shrug:


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Re: Does a contam typically cause weak fruits? [Re: taGyo]
    #21348879 - 03/01/15 04:12 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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I think it would make a lot of sense for the mushrooms to be weaker once the mycelium is compromised by a contam like trich. If the mycelium is attacked by trich, it chooses to shoot up as many shrooms as possible right away in order to spread spores quickly and enable the species to survive. I believe that in this rush, the mycelium forms mushrooms that are not as healthy as the normal mushrooms, which results in a loss of potency. This is all conjecture for now, but I think it's plausible.



Doesn't make sense at all if you really think about it. However if mushroom health and potency are linked then I would have to assume aborts must be very weak :wink:


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Re: Does a contam typically cause weak fruits? [Re: Kizzle]
    #21348903 - 03/01/15 04:19 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

:fuckinawesome:


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Re: Does a contam typically cause weak fruits? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #21349043 - 03/01/15 05:09 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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The strongest mushrooms I have ate came from bacterial substrates. :shrug:

then again strong is subjective and it depends on the genetics you fruit.




That makes me wonder if their are beneficial bacterias to mycelium and mushrooms. Just like we need certain bacterias in our digestive system. Maybe its wrong to say every bacteria is a contam.

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