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is possible to commit suicide with a Bersa Thunder .22? * 1
    #21170082 - 01/24/15 07:34 AM (9 years, 6 days ago)

i know nothing about firearms and not sure if a .22 caliber can pass the skull and produce a letal
wound.

the pistol: http://www.bersa.com.ar/pistola-bersa-thunder-22-en.html

i'm asking due the death of this guy: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-30937055

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Re: is possible to commit suicide with a Bersa Thunder .22? [Re: x7x_x7x] * 3
    #21170159 - 01/24/15 08:20 AM (9 years, 5 days ago)

Point blank temple shot. Entirely possible.

Edit:most likely it will pass through the temple, hit the opposite wall and ricochet around inside the skull cavity.


Edited by Faustoid (01/24/15 08:41 AM)


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Re: is possible to commit suicide with a Bersa Thunder .22? [Re: Faustoid] * 3
    #21170192 - 01/24/15 08:40 AM (9 years, 5 days ago)

My ex-cop buddy always likes to preach and used to tell me .22 were more lethal because they tend to "bounce" around inside the body and not always cleanly exit.


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Re: is possible to commit suicide with a Bersa Thunder .22? [Re: Mental Taco] * 1
    #21170920 - 01/24/15 12:25 PM (9 years, 5 days ago)

thanks!


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Re: is possible to commit suicide with a Bersa Thunder .22? [Re: x7x_x7x] * 1
    #21171355 - 01/24/15 02:23 PM (9 years, 5 days ago)

according to the autopsy report, the bullet entered through the right parietal bone. could a .22 LR did this?

http://www.telam.com.ar/english/notas/201501/4179-no-third-person-involved-on-nismans-death.html

"Following the autopsy carried out by the forensics, they reported that Nisman’s death was caused by a gunshot that entered his head through the right parietal bone, above the ear, causing loss of encephalic mass. The bullet was removed by the forensics."


i'm not sure if the hole is large enough to produce loss of encephalic mass.

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Re: is possible to commit suicide with a Bersa Thunder .22? [Re: Faustoid] * 1
    #21171365 - 01/24/15 02:25 PM (9 years, 5 days ago)

Quote:

Faustoid said:

most likely it will pass through the temple, hit the opposite wall and ricochet around inside the skull cavity.




Yup, spot on.


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Re: is possible to commit suicide with a Bersa Thunder .22? [Re: Funji Guy] * 1
    #21187619 - 01/27/15 05:05 PM (9 years, 2 days ago)

.22 can definitely kill.

Look up your anatomy first. Definitely dont try the temple shot. A lot of people mess up and just shoot through their optic nerve and end up in incredible amounts of pain, in a mental ward with a fucked up face.


Don’t kill yourself though man. Things will get better.


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Re: is possible to commit suicide with a Bersa Thunder .22? [Re: elax420] * 2
    #21188134 - 01/27/15 06:45 PM (9 years, 2 days ago)

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.22 can definitely kill.

Look up your anatomy first. Definitely dont try the temple shot. A lot of people mess up and just shoot through their optic nerve and end up in incredible amounts of pain, in a mental ward with a fucked up face.


Don’t kill yourself though man. Things will get better.




I think it was more a "was it even possible for the guy in the article to accomplish this?"
Type question. At least I hope it was.


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Re: is possible to commit suicide with a Bersa Thunder .22? [Re: Faustoid] * 1
    #21188590 - 01/27/15 08:25 PM (9 years, 2 days ago)

Oh ya people get killed by .22’s all the time. Even if it doesn’t kill you getting hit in the head is going to be a serious injury.

Hell pellet guns kill people by accident.


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Re: is possible to commit suicide with a Bersa Thunder .22? [Re: elax420] * 1
    #21191890 - 01/28/15 02:32 PM (9 years, 1 day ago)

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.22 can definitely kill.

Look up your anatomy first. Definitely dont try the temple shot. A lot of people mess up and just shoot through their optic nerve and end up in incredible amounts of pain, in a mental ward with a fucked up face.


Don’t kill yourself though man. Things will get better.




thanks man! i'm not thinking in suicide, but doing my own research on Alberto Nisman death.


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Re: is possible to commit suicide with a Bersa Thunder .22? [Re: x7x_x7x] * 2
    #21191902 - 01/28/15 02:35 PM (9 years, 1 day ago)

Oh ya i heard about that.

That shit seems dirty as fuck to me. I have no idea why he would kill himself unless coerced to do so by those who have a vested interest in what his testimony would reveal.
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Re: is possible to commit suicide with a Bersa Thunder .22? [Re: elax420] * 1
    #21191947 - 01/28/15 02:45 PM (9 years, 1 day ago)

i think the same.


another question is if the same bullet fired through a carbine reach more speed.


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Re: is possible to commit suicide with a Bersa Thunder .22? [Re: x7x_x7x] * 1
    #21334376 - 02/26/15 06:03 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Look up the ballistics for rifle vs pistol. Although there is more of a powder charge, ar-15s and the assault rifles used by our military use .223 caliber rounds, a 22 lr has a diameter of .224. The bullet weighs about half as much and has about a third or fourth the powder charge. It is entirely lethal nonetheless. Ive seen people shoot deer and coyote in the head with .22s and .17s.


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Re: is possible to commit suicide with a Bersa Thunder .22? [Re: whitelights] * 1
    #21335769 - 02/26/15 09:51 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Ive never understood that.

So are .223 and 5.56 actually the same round?


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Re: is possible to commit suicide with a Bersa Thunder .22? [Re: elax420] * 1
    #21336019 - 02/26/15 11:04 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Yes


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Re: is possible to commit suicide with a Bersa Thunder .22? [Re: elax420] * 1
    #21339325 - 02/27/15 04:45 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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Ive never understood that.

So are .223 and 5.56 actually the same round?






http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5.56%C3%9745mm_NATO

The 5.56×45mm NATO (official NATO nomenclature 5.56 NATO) is an intermediate cartridge developed in the United States and originally chambered in the M16 rifle. Under STANAG 4172, it is a standard cartridge for NATO forces as well as many non-NATO countries.[3] It is derived from, but not identical to, the .223 Remington cartridge.


http://thearmsguide.com/645/is-there-a-difference-between-223-and-5-56/



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Re: is possible to commit suicide with a Bersa Thunder .22? [Re: joe666] * 1
    #21340590 - 02/27/15 09:55 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Okay so the 5.56 nato uses a bullet with a diameter of .224 so it has the same bullet diameter as the 22 lr and also uses about three times the powder and uses a high powered primer.


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