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Re: My personality in the way of enlightenment? [Re: glimpee] * 2
    #21253732 - 02/10/15 02:55 PM (9 years, 22 days ago)

I just want to quote Tony Parsons where he says that liberation has nothing to do with time, the individual or what came before it. Reflect on that for a moment.

This doesn't mean you should completely stop trying to better yourself or give up your current spiritual practices. Tony Parsons also says that giving up your current practices is no less of an ego maneuver than continuing to do them. Just remember the suggestion that there might be something totally beyond you and anything you do.

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Re: My personality in the way of enlightenment? [Re: Deviate]
    #21259227 - 02/11/15 03:36 PM (9 years, 21 days ago)

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Deviate said:
I just want to quote Tony Parsons where he says that liberation has nothing to do with time, the individual or what came before it. Reflect on that for a moment.

This doesn't mean you should completely stop trying to better yourself or give up your current spiritual practices. Tony Parsons also says that giving up your current practices is no less of an ego maneuver than continuing to do them. Just remember the suggestion that there might be something totally beyond you and anything you do.




Damn thats really something to think about. On one hand - we fuel the ego by doing what we enjoy - but on the other side - we fuel out ego and desires by getting rid of what we dislike. Perhaps Tony vouches for self acceptance over change - however this also conflicts with my spiritual beliefs.

This will take some introspection


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Re: My personality in the way of enlightenment? [Re: glimpee]
    #21268147 - 02/13/15 09:14 AM (9 years, 19 days ago)

One of the most important things in my opinion is to have a strong internal compass. . like the poem, on trust in the mind, for example.  There are hundreds of little axioms that are like sign posts along the way, a lot of them are in most all wisdom traditions. .

Personality is definitely not antithetical to enlightenment - almost all of the enlightened masters had a great deal of personality, I would say.  They just also all share a lot of joy just in living, and when they are playful with someone, it's only usually to get them to smile.

Having said that, a strong personality just for the sake of a strong personality isn't necessarily a good thing.  Most of the people who have really changed the world have had very strong personalities, intense so to speak; one of the keys I would say is learning to be able to be at peace in a variety of situations. . . Ram Dass said - the best thing I can do for anyone is simply to allow a space for them to be who they are, who they want to be, without judgement, expectation, or projection.  I've found that to be extremely useful.

So then, if you can be self-calm, mastered, and peaceful in all kinds of situations, you're getting there, and the art of being a loving presence while not putting expectations on others, that is a wonderful tool of healing, and I've never noticed it lessened personality at all.

All the best to you :smile:


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Re: My personality in the way of enlightenment? [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #21283129 - 02/16/15 02:12 PM (9 years, 16 days ago)

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One of the most important things in my opinion is to have a strong internal compass. . like the poem, on trust in the mind, for example.  There are hundreds of little axioms that are like sign posts along the way, a lot of them are in most all wisdom traditions. .

Personality is definitely not antithetical to enlightenment - almost all of the enlightened masters had a great deal of personality, I would say.  They just also all share a lot of joy just in living, and when they are playful with someone, it's only usually to get them to smile.

Having said that, a strong personality just for the sake of a strong personality isn't necessarily a good thing.  Most of the people who have really changed the world have had very strong personalities, intense so to speak; one of the keys I would say is learning to be able to be at peace in a variety of situations. . . Ram Dass said - the best thing I can do for anyone is simply to allow a space for them to be who they are, who they want to be, without judgement, expectation, or projection.  I've found that to be extremely useful.

So then, if you can be self-calm, mastered, and peaceful in all kinds of situations, you're getting there, and the art of being a loving presence while not putting expectations on others, that is a wonderful tool of healing, and I've never noticed it lessened personality at all.

All the best to you :smile:



Looks like I'm getting there :smile: only thing that I get angry at are my parents but once I move out I can work on forgiving them


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Re: My personality in the way of enlightenment? [Re: glimpee]
    #21284637 - 02/16/15 06:15 PM (9 years, 16 days ago)

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SleepyE said:
everyone has satan manifesting inside them in some form or another, :wink:

but its shows you are on the right path by self reflecting and pointing out and bringing attention to your own flaws. Something people rarely do.



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I've been thinking a lot about myself the world around me and "enlightenment" and I've realized that I have some traits that I love in myself that conflict with standard ideas of enlightenment - for example - I am extremely competitive. It really matters that I am the best at what I do - however I accept that I am not and I enjoy the process of building my skills. For example, I have a huge lust for competitive skill based fighting games - where I can show another player that I am better than they are.

I also have a tendency to enjoy laughing at anothers "expense..." you'll know what I mean if you watch king of the nerds - I just think the ways people are socially bound and the way they act is really funny sometimes because of how fake the people are and how much they care about things that don't matter in the big picture of life. I mostly laugh at unbridled and uncontrolled ignorance - and I sometimes fuel the flames.

These two traits make me who I am - they add character to me and I feel if I worked to strip those away for enlightenment goals - I would be losing part of myself.

Do these traits hinder the ability to become part of the greater consciousness and understanding of reality?

If I were to think solely on my own of this - I would believe in the balance. In my belief - enlightenment isn't the embodiment of all that is good, it is the absolute balance of everything, without social names. "Good" and "Evil" are things that are born from ignorant societies thousands of years ago that got imprinted and repeated throughout civilization. If one of the commandments were to never break a peanut open - Im sure that would be seen as a large evil as well. At the same time however, one must have complete respect for all life. And to be enlightened to is balance oneself out - to be ALL that is human, to reach the highest state of human that existed before big civilization arose

I hold these parts of myself close to me - they are some of the biggest defining factors of who I am, but if they are holding me back - I will release them. I'm wondering what the rest of you think, seeing how this is one of the most enlightened communities I've had the privilege of participating in





For me its best to be myself. And if its something else i want to be then i begin to be that.

It seems enlightenment has a thousand definitions. I don't know what it really is. I do know that there is a thing such as bliss. When one is always joyfully intoxicated. That's more of a natural phenomena than a belief system. From what I have heard and experienced. There could be a lot to do with compassion but that can express in a million different ways. And then simply being oneself can be the most compassionate thing to do IMO.

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Re: My personality in the way of enlightenment? [Re: doughnut]
    #21286387 - 02/17/15 03:46 AM (9 years, 15 days ago)

Your personality is not 'in the way of enlightenment' any more than the answer is in the way of the question, ya feel?

To walk forwards in a straight line from the question to the answer

Your personality is the obstacle

The obstacle is the path

Keep hitting the wall

And moving through it

To the next wall

Again and again

One day no more wall


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"THE Human, you, is a miniscule but essential part of that pattern. In it lies complete fulfillment. It will never become something it is not, but it will never need to be anything else." - Wiccan_Seeker

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Re: My personality in the way of enlightenment? [Re: crkhd]
    #21286624 - 02/17/15 07:04 AM (9 years, 15 days ago)

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for example - I am extremely competitive.



IMO this is in no way an impediment to enlightenment. I mean at least if we define enlightenment in the same way.

For example let's take the Hindu gods, or Egyptian gods, most pantheons have a well integrated place for conflict, for things going at each other, head to head, fighting battles, obliterating enemies, obliterating whole worlds, hell some Hindu gods and goddesses are completely infernal, warlike as fuck. In no way are they less enlightened.



Random example, :pirate: Kali :pirate:


IMO being enlightened (or closer to that state) simply means bringing out MORE of who you are, and bringing forth MORE competitiveness, but using it as skillful means, in the right way at the right time. So rather than bullying, perhaps challenging others in precisely the right way and the right amount, to spark growth inside them.

I remember at one point I was tripping balls at a festival, and I saw a young couple, and the guy had a lot of insecurity running. The girl I was indifferent to, she didn't interest me. But I was dancing, they were both amused and entertained and the guy half-assedly started to dance as well, sort of in my direction, from some distance away. I could see he's not bringing himself fully to the table, so I spontaneously engaged him in some sort of dance battle, like break dancers do. I'd do a few moves and pass it to him, he'd do a few half-assed move and pass it to me, and the girl instantly stepped to the side to better judge us both, quite entranced. The dude quickly saw he got more than he bargained for, so he was like :eek:

I had to take his beer from him and put it down, so he could dance properly, and he did improve but still nowhere near his full potential. I beat him for 2-3 more rounds, and he got more and more disillusioned with himself, shoulders hanging and everything. Seeing this, I challenged him even more. I started dancing with the girl, she was delighted and started dancing with me. He came next to us (like in a triangle) and froze, did nothing, although I gave him plenty of space to, I wasn't blocking him in any way. I thought, NO WAY is he so passive and non-competitive when I'm clearly starting to form a bond with his girl. So I took the girl's beer and gave it to him to hold, AND HE TOOK IT and held it, while we danced, right in front of his cuckold ass :lol:

Out of the corner of my eye I could see he's getting slightly angry, he's getting some fire in his eyes that wasn't there before, some adrenaline and testosterone going, I could see him getting ideas about either violence or something (he was confused but he WAS getting his act together for a change, to demonstrate SOMETHING for his lady) and so when I saw this I stepped away to leave, and signaled the girl to go to him.

And she signaled no :lol:

She signaled to him to dance properly, I put in another 2 short rounds of dance, simple moves (gave him the victory, as I said I didn't want the girl, I only wanted to show him more of his own animal side that he was initially not using, the cock and balls and backbone that males are supposed to have command of). So I allowed him to save face, the girl saw that yes, the dude can demonstrate and improve and win something, she went back to him and we all said cheerful goodbyes. But it was all based on male on male competition, fully enlightened from the LSD and quite pure (non-territorial, not clinging to victory, not coveting his female), it was just used as a useful teaching tool at that time. Did in a minute or two, things that couldn't have been done verbally with weeks of talking. Sometimes you HAVE to push people, or they won't get off their asses :biggrin:

Finally, warrior monks, I'm pretty sure they saw a perfectly valid path in conflict and being competitive, aggressive, there's no hindrance there to enlightenment.


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Re: My personality in the way of enlightenment? [Re: glimpee]
    #21312508 - 02/22/15 11:19 AM (9 years, 10 days ago)

The attainment of enlightenment from ego’s point of view is extreme death, the death of self, the death of me and mine, the death of the watcher. It is the ultimate and final disappointment.

    – Chogyam Trungpa


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Re: My personality in the way of enlightenment? [Re: Spacerific]
    #21335433 - 02/26/15 08:45 PM (9 years, 6 days ago)

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IMO being enlightened (or closer to that state) simply means bringing out MORE of who you are, and bringing forth MORE competitiveness, but using it as skillful means, in the right way at the right time. So rather than bullying, perhaps challenging others in precisely the right way and the right amount, to spark growth inside them.

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EXAAAACTLY THO thats what I like to think I'm doing, and I think I do a little :wink: Get kids to be a little less socially awkward and a little more assertive - call them out on their dumb bullshit (in a still "friendly" manner) because no one else will. White people. Gotta be one, gotta hate yourself


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