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Alabama Man Killed in Pre-Dawn SWAT Drug Raid
    #21334218 - 02/26/15 05:28 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Alabama Man Killed in Pre-Dawn SWAT Drug Raid
by psmith, February 21, 2015, 05:45pm, (Issue #875)
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A Birmingham, Alabama, man was shot and killed by a member of the Homewood, Alabama, tactical squad (SWAT team) as the team executed a pre-dawn search warrant on his residence Friday morning. The as yet unidentified man becomes the 8th person to die in US domestic drug law enforcement operations so far this year.

According to The Birmingham News, citing police sources, although the apartment building raided is in Birmingham, it was the Homewood SWAT team that carried out the raid. It is not clear why.

A police spokesman said the shooting happened at 6:15 a.m. Officers entered the apartment and a man immediately fired at them with a handgun. Officers returned fire, hitting him. He was pronounced dead at UAB Hospital at 6:54 a.m.

Police did not say whether they had knocked on the door or announced their presence or whether it was a "no knock" raid with immediate forced entry.

A second man in the apartment was detained. There was no mention of any drugs being found.

... read more: http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/2015/feb/21/alabama_man_killed_predawn_swat


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Re: Alabama Man Killed in Pre-Dawn SWAT Drug Raid [Re: Simplepowa] * 9
    #21334264 - 02/26/15 05:38 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Go away, DEA! Go away, DEA! Go away, DEA!

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Re: Alabama Man Killed in Pre-Dawn SWAT Drug Raid [Re: Algo]
    #21334390 - 02/26/15 06:05 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Wonder how many times they showed up before that...

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Re: Alabama Man Killed in Pre-Dawn SWAT Drug Raid [Re: Konyap]
    #21335314 - 02/26/15 08:26 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

"I WANNA BE JUST LIKE ALABAMA MAN!"


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Re: Alabama Man Killed in Pre-Dawn SWAT Drug Raid [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #21335915 - 02/26/15 10:26 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Rest assured, if unidentified men barge into my home, guns drawn and it's not immediately clear who they are, i'd be pumping out a bird shot.

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Re: Alabama Man Killed in Pre-Dawn SWAT Drug Raid [Re: Destitute]
    #21336355 - 02/27/15 01:27 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Rest assured, if unidentified men barge into my home, guns drawn and it's not immediately clear who they are, i'd be pumping out a bird shot.




exactly . there system is flawed. people of America have the right to protect themselves

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Re: Alabama Man Killed in Pre-Dawn SWAT Drug Raid [Re: Destitute]
    #21336368 - 02/27/15 01:34 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

4 deaths a month at this rate.... How many more have to die?

Alabama man! He can drink,  and he can drink some more! He's Alabama man!

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Re: Alabama Man Killed in Pre-Dawn SWAT Drug Raid [Re: tacodude] * 1
    #21336406 - 02/27/15 02:00 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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A commenter responding to harsh remarks on the newspaper's web site claimed to be a child of the man killed by police and also claimed that his father did not shoot at them, but that his brother (presumably the second man in the apartment) did. Here is the entire comment from "Luh Brian":
"My Daddy Is Not In Hell I Know He Is With The Lord Because Even Though He Dealt Drugs He Was Kindhearted He May Not Have Been The Best Father In The World But He Was Made Sure all of his children where always taken care of.... So You Should Not Talk About Him In That Manner. It's Already Hard To Deal With His Death But On Top Of That All You People Act As Though He Was Some Type Of God Damn Super Villain , Saying Such Hurtful Things.....It Just Breaks My Heart To See Y'all Say Such Awful Things About Daddy A Man Which NoNE of you knew . This Story Is Not Accurate My Father Did Not Shoot At Police Although My Older Brother Did.....But That's Something He Taught Us Long Ago 'Protect This House,' And That's All They Did . But I Will File A Lawsuit On Homewood P.D Best Believe That.
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This is a very important part to include.....  It's the rest of the article. This situation is really messed up.... They raided before most people are awake and act surprised someone's first reaction to a raid probably waking up out of bed having no idea what's going on besides people forcing their way into the house. They should assume they sleep with guns and will react to hostility with gun fire in an act of self defense. They are acting as if the situation is a game &  joke by going about it the way they did. Becausethey didn't take life seriously someone's dead....  A fucking shame as now these kids lpst their father all in the name of fighting off drugs. This system needs to change as it's built to sustain keeping the old generation alive yet does nothing for people growing up now a days unless it's a near fatal injury that wind be fatal without help..... Anything else is impossible to get help with unless one accepts abstaining all drugs or accepting anything and everything recommended or else risk being red flag by doctors who at ready to do anything to her rid of a patient they don't like as if the doctors wasting their time when in reality the patient is wasting their time with a doctor who doesn't care whether they help their patient or not as they get paid either way and there's always more patients they can fill their work hours with. I have yet to meet a doctor that appreciates the time taken to travel and even arrive early for an appointment and instead complains the one meeting a month goes to long when stability never becomes developed in the first place leading to new issues coming up every month causing the sessions to be more than just check in and follow ups and complaints about issues and request for support.  Sorry for my off topic rant just fuck the drug war,  drug laws,  and mental health industry that not only profits from drugs. It also becomes a tool of the drug war as well as hurts victims even further restraining people from proper medication and forcing people to toxic medications even literally with involuntary hospitalizations used as a drunk tank or time out zone for struggling people label as a problem yet commits no immoral acts towards others or actual crimes where the doctors have the right to call someone a danger in need of forced drug sedation even without making any threats and just having a raised voice, which is used as an excuse to say someone is out of control. This system is falling apart and there is no fixing it. I hope when it falls nature takes the world back or I suspect man will destroy this planet in a misguided attempt to stabilize it.

Edit: Sorry for a text wall of rant..... The drug war and all has just been irksome lately to a severe degree. Anyone who suffers through and reads it thank you I appreciate you taking the time to listen to me on the soapbox.

Edited by tacodude (02/27/15 02:03 AM)

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Re: Alabama Man Killed in Pre-Dawn SWAT Drug Raid [Re: tacodude] * 1
    #21336713 - 02/27/15 04:38 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Yet another sign of how trigger happy and unfit the men we pay to uphold justice are.  I bet this wont be all over the media, yet some black kid gets shot and its blown up all over the place.


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Re: Alabama Man Killed in Pre-Dawn SWAT Drug Raid [Re: Mental Taco]
    #21336807 - 02/27/15 06:00 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Have you ever wondered what it would feel like to be a cop?  Write your representative to change drug policies, don't shoot the messenger.  If these policies weren't in place this kind of thing would never happen in the first place.


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Re: Alabama Man Killed in Pre-Dawn SWAT Drug Raid [Re: Cognitive_Shift] * 1
    #21337681 - 02/27/15 10:35 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

The police do deserve blame in this.  Many of them get off on playing Rambo, busting down doors unannounced, with guns drawn.  Many of them do not see a human being, with a life and a family, and maybe some reasons for doing what they do.  They see a non-human "bad guy", like it's a fucking movie or something.

They could, you know, knock, and announce real loud who they are.  They could maybe proceed with caution, stopping at each room and once again announcing calmly, clearly and loudly who they are and what is happening.  They could maybe even get tired of serving an oppressive and corrupt system and look for other work.  But they don't because many of them actually do get off on the process of playing with gear and guns and storming homes.

Also, the democratic process isn't some perfect system.  The democratic process actually allows slavery.  25 percent of the population can vote and petition their government to allow people to be free, but if 51 percent like having servants it isn't going to make any difference in a perfect democracy.

Yea, let's 10 percent of us all write letters begging to be allowed to live our lives peacefully, and occasionally use drugs and see how far that gets us when most people don't care or disagree.

Minority rights don't work in a true democracy.  For that you need a republic that affords certain unchallengable rights to people regardless of how big of a demographic a group is.  This country was supposed to be just that.  A republic where people were free to live their lives in almost any way that didn't directly threaten others.  (Well, where people with pale skin and a penis were free, but that is another story).  We should never have to ask the government to respect our individual rights.  The fact that we do is a huge, huge problem.

If you ask me the police are soldiers in a war against freedom and liberty.  I don't really care if it's their job or not.  Though unlike them I do actually care that they are people and they have reasons for doing what they do.  So I don't necessarily hate them.  They have a head full of beliefs, and that is why they do what they do.  On a fundamental level they are no different than most people who live by their personal collection of ridiculous ideas.

But I also do see them as enemy combatants.  They fight for a democracy where the majority attempt to control and oppress the actions and beliefs of the minorities they don't agree with.  Their particular ideas and circumstances cause them to go out and hunt inherently peaceful people like myself.  And for that reason I am thankful for any suffering and hardship they encounter.


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Re: Alabama Man Killed in Pre-Dawn SWAT Drug Raid [Re: AllGreyThumbs]
    #21337707 - 02/27/15 10:39 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Well said:congrats:


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Re: Alabama Man Killed in Pre-Dawn SWAT Drug Raid [Re: Algo]
    #21339197 - 02/27/15 04:11 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Cops deal with the worst of the worst.
When dealing with assholes it is imperative you don't become one yourself.
Joining the police force is like Shark Week to them, they really are indoctrinated into it more so then the people committing the crimes sometimes which is why they're so good at it...

Edited by Konyap (02/27/15 04:12 PM)

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Re: Alabama Man Killed in Pre-Dawn SWAT Drug Raid [Re: AllGreyThumbs]
    #21339466 - 02/27/15 05:21 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

It's important to have empathy for the victim here and the cops.  Imagine the threat of having a gun pulled on you and shot clearing every room in a drug raid.  It's life or death and sometimes natural preservation over powers training and tactics.  Sure there are some rambo cops but I think a lot of these shootings are just accidents because it's high pressure.

Yes there are asshole cops shooting dogs fucking with people beating them ect. ect.

I firmly believing in not shooting the messenger.  If the drug policies weren't there in the first place rambo wouldn't have the opportunity to shoot suspects.

A lot of these cops are ex-military and trained killers, it shouldn't be surprising when they do end up killing someone.  It's a fine line too, if the CI gave bad info he's a murderer, but if everything works out and the cop kills the suspect he is a hero making the streets a safer place.

I don't think it's as simple as fuck the cops or support our cops.


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Re: Alabama Man Killed in Pre-Dawn SWAT Drug Raid [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #21339920 - 02/27/15 07:30 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I mean sure there are some good law enforcement out there. I've met them myself. Was speeding a few weeks ago got pulled over with a coworker. after a bit of questions and checking our records he let us go. said most people he pulls over don't even have ID's let alone jobs (Which isn't all that surprising where I live) Just an all around nice guy. He even commented on my Final Fantasy wallet ha. They all have their own lives of course but as for DEA or a swat team if they're "breaking" into someone's house, especially in the deep south, they better expect opposition. You better believe if someone is coming into my place unannounced, with what I believe is to cause harm, they will be met with some 12 gauge #00 rounds.


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Re: Alabama Man Killed in Pre-Dawn SWAT Drug Raid [Re: Parafaragaramus]
    #21341253 - 02/28/15 01:27 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Aim high boys.  No knocks will be met with extreme violence.


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Re: Alabama Man Killed in Pre-Dawn SWAT Drug Raid [Re: d00d557]
    #21341314 - 02/28/15 01:50 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I never understood why they don't just wait for the people to leave the house.

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Re: Alabama Man Killed in Pre-Dawn SWAT Drug Raid [Re: LazyGnome]
    #21341778 - 02/28/15 07:25 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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I never understood why they don't just wait for the people to leave the house.

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I think *that* might be illegal for some strange reason (as opposed to you know, pre-dawn good morning sunshine raids)

But yeah this is sad. Especially that the kid has to defend his dad and say "he wasn't THAT bad of a person. He might have sold drugs but he was caring etc etc"

That's so fucked, an innocent kid having to lose their dad because of some DEA bullshit, and they didn't even find any drugs it seems?

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Re: Alabama Man Killed in Pre-Dawn SWAT Drug Raid [Re: draumur]
    #21341817 - 02/28/15 07:52 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

While cops are humans too ignorance is not an excuse to get away with murder. The problem is that criminals are dehumanized literally completely striped of most human rights in cases like freedom to expose oneself to sun. Criminals are no better or worse.. In a famous groupa words, " every cop is a criminal, And all the sinners saints"

Edited by tacodude (02/28/15 09:33 AM)

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