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InvisibleBill_Oreilly
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Re: I think im the only one on this site that believes this...but i dont care [Re: gushtunkinflupped]
    #21330829 - 02/25/15 10:22 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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gushtunkinflupped said:
"Did you read the thread? It makes sense that I am right because if you can only hold that 1 hit for so long...where if you divided it into 3 hits and would be holding the 35mg in your lungs for 3 times the amount of time. "

This logic makes absolutely no sense. 35mg is 35mg. I can hold it in long enough so that virtually no smoke is exhaled. Getting 35mg to the brain 3x faster DEFINITELY effects the intensity of the experience.







So now youre saying that 1 hit is even MORE EFFICIENT than 3 hits?

You officially turned this thread into a joke. Thanks for trolling. See ya next time.


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..

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Re: I think im the only one on this site that believes this...but i dont care [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21330946 - 02/25/15 10:47 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I just noticed this thread, lol.

Yeah, I posted that, but I don't care. Just want to make sure we're clear here. I do not care.


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Re: I think im the only one on this site that believes this...but i dont care [Re: healing]
    #21332915 - 02/26/15 12:44 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Well I hope you're trolling and not just extremely thick, but I don't have time to go through the thread and find out either way.


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Re: I think im the only one on this site that believes this...but i dont care [Re: gushtunkinflupped]
    #21333156 - 02/26/15 01:40 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I was just commenting on the title of the thread. I haven't read any of the posts besides my own and now yours.


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Re: I think im the only one on this site that believes this...but i dont care [Re: healing]
    #21333677 - 02/26/15 03:27 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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healing said:
I was just commenting on the title of the thread. I haven't read any of the posts besides my own and now yours.





You should, man. There is a reason its at 9 pages. I rustled so many jimmies just by simply saing that a good percentage of those claiming to have gotten the full "dmt breakthrough experience" is mistaken or lying because they were able to only take 1 hit, rather than giving it everything they have and digging deep to take another 1 or 2 hits.


Its amazing how many ego's are held together by the notion whether or not they have "Went all the way" with an illegal drug.

Some people need to go out more...or get a girlfriend or SOMETHING :shrug:




its not like I made this thread to piss people off...I made it based on a simple observation I made. I made it to see how many people are really doing this drug the right way(when aiming for a breakthrough).

its crazy, as well, how many people say they brokethrough from just mushrooms or LSD. I said it once and ill say it again....

the breakthrough from DMT cannot be compared to any amount mushrooms or LSD. I don't care how much you consume..


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..

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Re: I think im the only one on this site that believes this...but i dont care [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21333702 - 02/26/15 03:32 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

'bill get some pliers to pull your head from your own ass???


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Re: I think im the only one on this site that believes this...but i dont care [Re: Mrdbrewer]
    #21333711 - 02/26/15 03:35 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Mrdbrewer said:
'bill get some pliers to pull your head from your own ass???





Well that wasn't very nice, mister.

And who the hell would use pliers to pull a head out of a butt? Cmon now.


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..

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Re: I think im the only one on this site that believes this...but i dont care [Re: healing]
    #21333770 - 02/26/15 03:45 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Not much of a poster, mostly lurk but I just wanna say ime if you properly vaporize the dmt you NEVER need more than one hit which you only need to hold for no more than 10 secs. In fact when you blow out that single hit you're already pretty gone.

I sandwiched on pipe and vaped from volcano for years and I always needed several hits as did everyone I gave it to, always around 50 mg. Then I tried from a rig and I was able to breakthrough on one hit and it was much more intense because there was no waste.

Rig breakthrough= 30 mg, pipe (aka McKenna 3 hit method)= 50 mg. When I have given people 50+ on the rig they just freak out and black out.

I have extensive experience with dmt. I have broken through and provided more than I can count.

Oh and bill bufo, snorted 2cs, aya, 1000+mcg lsd, dpt can all make you breakthrough with slightly different flavors but similar intensity. You don't sound very experienced with psychedelics at all.

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Re: I think im the only one on this site that believes this...but i dont care [Re: lysergiccognition]
    #21333981 - 02/26/15 04:28 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

lysergiccognition said:
Not much of a poster, mostly lurk but I just wanna say ime if you properly vaporize the dmt you NEVER need more than one hit which you only need to hold for no more than 10 secs. In fact when you blow out that single hit you're already pretty gone.







I couldn't disagree more :shrug:


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..

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Re: I think im the only one on this site that believes this...but i dont care [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21334074 - 02/26/15 04:52 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Ive read that a high dose of shrooms with syrian Rue is very DMT like at the peak.

Bill, have u tried that combo before?

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Re: I think im the only one on this site that believes this...but i dont care [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21334327 - 02/26/15 05:53 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I would bet my net worth that if you let me give you a single hit from a rig with a domeless nail around 30-40 mg you would breakthrough, anymore than that and you black out. It's much more efficient than smoking the same amount in 3 hits. Same concept as smoking a bowl in 3 hits vs a fat bong hit.

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Re: I think im the only one on this site that believes this...but i dont care [Re: lysergiccognition]
    #21334548 - 02/26/15 06:32 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

lysergiccognition said:
I would bet my net worth that if you let me give you a single hit from a rig with a domeless nail around 30-40 mg you would breakthrough, anymore than that and you black out. It's much more efficient than smoking the same amount in 3 hits. Same concept as smoking a bowl in 3 hits vs a fat bong hit.






I concur :yesnod:


Around 50mg off a domeless nail threw me into a black out real quick, along with uncontrollable flailing of my arms & legs, kicking & rolling my body around, and all sorts of glossolalia / gibberish coming out of my mouth while I was "out"...I don't remember a damn thing after exhaling other than a loud crackling sound leading up to the black out....I have seen this happen to others and have heard plenty of stories online now that more people are using nails to vape dmt. Seems like 50mg is right about where some folk will black out when using a nail.



When using a weed pipe or a bong with the dmt sandwiched between a small amount of herb, sure it takes 2 or 3 hits. I've certainly been thrown really far out and have had a single breakthrough using a weed pipe, but it is a really inconsistent, inefficient and not a the most effective method to catalyze a breakthrough. I've used this method more than any other though, and I'm not always trying to full on break through so it works just fine for me. Especially if I have some syrian rue in my system.

An oil pipe, usually two hits, can be done in one though.

A little rig with a dab nail, there is no need and no way to take another lung full . :voila:  ....




Using a dab nail is one ROA where I do highly suggest people to have someone there to move the rig with the hot nail away from them as soon as they inhale their hit. When using a weed pipe or an oil pipe I usually have some time and still some clarity to set the piece down somewhere safely before I hold in my last hit and lay back. With a dab nail, there is no time to do such things :lol: ....If didn't have someone there to move the rig away from me as soon as I took my hit I would have certainly knocked it over and likely rolled all over it while my body was spazzing out.






-OM



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Re: I think im the only one on this site that believes this...but i dont care [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #21334640 - 02/26/15 06:48 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

LogicaL Chaos said:
Ive read that a high dose of shrooms with syrian Rue is very DMT like at the peak.

Bill, have u tried that combo before?





I have not. But the idea is that since you are smoking the DMT, and mushrooms are n oral thing...there is no way to get as high on something oral as you would smoking DMT because of the speed, intensity and how fast it hits the bloodstream.

I would bet my life that the intensity of a DMT breakthrough cannot be reached by any amount of mushrooms.

its like my heroin and cocaine metaphor.


If you IV cocaine..there is no amount of intranasal cocaine that can match IV. Its because of the speed of the thing...the intensity hitting you all at once...etc

same thing goes for IV 4-aco-dmt...no amount of oral 4-aco-dmt could compare to a shot of 4-aco-dmt


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..

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Re: I think im the only one on this site that believes this...but i dont care [Re: openmind]
    #21334656 - 02/26/15 06:52 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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openmind said:
Quote:

lysergiccognition said:
I would bet my net worth that if you let me give you a single hit from a rig with a domeless nail around 30-40 mg you would breakthrough, anymore than that and you black out. It's much more efficient than smoking the same amount in 3 hits. Same concept as smoking a bowl in 3 hits vs a fat bong hit.






I concur :yesnod:


Around 50mg off a domeless nail threw me into a black out real quick, along with uncontrollable flailing of my arms & legs, kicking & rolling my body around, and all sorts of glossolalia / gibberish coming out of my mouth while I was "out"...





This is where it gets tricky...hear me out.

I had the most frightening trip of my life...nothing can compare to the fear and no control that occurred when I took an oral dose of 33mg 4-aco-dmt freebase.

Now why I didn't that happen when I iVed 40mg? I took a higher dose with a more intense ROA. By your logic..my IV trip should have produced what happened on my oral trip.

That's why I disagree. I get it...if you guys took anymore you would have blacked out/did black out. That does NOT mean you brokethrough. You could have...but what im saying is black out does NOT always equal a breakthrough.

These drugs are very tricky, in that sense.


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..

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Re: I think im the only one on this site that believes this...but i dont care [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21336385 - 02/27/15 01:45 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Drugs are not tricky. Don't anthropomorphize them, that's a sure sign that you are reflecting your own personality onto the chemical.


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Re: I think im the only one on this site that believes this...but i dont care [Re: healing]
    #21336767 - 02/27/15 05:33 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Bill said:

Quote:

If you IV cocaine..there is no amount of intranasal cocaine that can match IV. Its because of the speed of the thing...the intensity hitting you all at once...etc




Perhaps that could be because cocaine and heroin are lethal substances and if you tried to match the effects of injection you would probably end up killing yourself.

With DMT and Cannabis you cannot kill yourself by overdosing and the more one ups the dose the higher he will get. I don’t need to resort to hypothetical guesswork here, this is based on empirical experience and should be just common sense. The more you take the more the effects increase.
 
Have you ever tried a huge dose of cannabis taken orally? It can be one of the most terrifying drug experiences there is.

Furthermore heroin or cocaine should not be compared to psychedelics anyway. By all accounts eating LSD is pretty much identical to the effect of injecting it with no real benefit to be had in terms of intensity. Different drugs will behave in different ways.

As I've said though Bill if you do doubt any of this you really should try a huge dose of Anahuasca and see for yourself. You are seriously underestimating the intensity of the experience.

Ask most experienced users which they fear more smoking, or drinking/eating their way to hyperspace, and I am sure the vast majority will tell you that they fear the oral route more. Slower can often mean far more terrifying and rather than rushing through hyperspace on a speeding rocket, you have to drive slowly (to be honest it moves at fricking light speed) though it all honking your horn! Sped up or slown down though, it is still hyperspace.


I guarantee that if you ingest 20 grams of mimosa it is very likely you would never want to ingest DMT ever again.

Quote:


Its because of the speed of the thing




But I thought we were talking about if it is possible to break through to level 5 full on hyperspace and not which of these ROA hits one quicker or proves which is more potent than the other?

For the record I have never broken through to level 5 hyperspace on mushrooms I am just almost certain it is possible based on how similar the lower level headspace is to the lower level DMT head space.

I would never attempt to find out if full on hyperspace with musrooms is possible for myself because I would never dare entering hyperspace for such an insanely prolonged duration.

Of course I cant say for sure, but then its pretty damned obvious that neither can you.

You must have heard about people talking about level 5 experiences with mushrooms?
Again though why not get some incredibly potent shrooms and eat 20 grams dry!

You are constantly making declarative proclamations about things you have self evidently not actually experienced.


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Edited by wolf8312 (02/27/15 05:45 AM)

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Re: I think im the only one on this site that believes this...but i dont care [Re: wolf8312]
    #21336791 - 02/27/15 05:50 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

:nomoreinternet:


im done here. I tried.


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..

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Re: I think im the only one on this site that believes this...but i dont care [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21336911 - 02/27/15 06:50 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

What's with the breakthrough fetish and why is Terry considered a God? I have a new perspective on him after reading  The Brotherhood.

How cant you grasp the fact that everyone has a different neurological setup, maybe these 1 hit wonders have more serotonin receptors than Terry or you? Maybe they waste a fuck load of spice or made Ehanced leaf that's easier to smoke with a bong or are using a Machine packed to the tip?

I guarantee if you pack a bong with 100mgs worth of Enhanced  leaf and exhale fully before taking a hit you'll "breakthrough" whate that means objectively.

Also, please  define "breakthrough". I admit I haven't had one but how can you seriously measure such a subjective experience with an individual term.  You think a scale of different effects, like Leary or Shulgin scales might be more meaningful?

Call it the Bill Scale

Edited by Cinnor (02/27/15 06:52 AM)

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Re: I think im the only one on this site that believes this...but i dont care [Re: Cinnor]
    #21337037 - 02/27/15 07:26 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Cinnor said:
What's with the breakthrough fetish and why is Terry considered a God?





I stopped reading after this.

I cant believe you would ask such a question :rofl2:


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..

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Re: I think im the only one on this site that believes this...but i dont care [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21337058 - 02/27/15 07:31 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

But in all seriousness...

I never agreed with the shulgin scale. I have my own version.



Marijuana is capable is getting to a level 2 or 3.


LSD/Mushrooms are only capable of getting you to a 4

and DMT/IV 4-aco-dmt is the only way of getting you to a 5. (maybe MXE or K can, but I haven't tried)


im not saying mushrooms and acid cannot make you black out...or make you see entities..or any of that. Im saying that when I take that 1st solid hit of DMT...its completely different than any mushroom trip or acid trip I ever had. Its literally just a HIGHER level. The 1st hit separates me completely. Mushrooms do that as well, but not like DMT.


think of it this way.... I believe that no matter HOW MUCH weed you eat/smoke you can never get up to the level of a 3-5 gram mushroom trip.

Then we move onto mushrooms and acid...no amount of mushrooms or acid can get you to that DMT level.

again...im not saying that mushrooms and lsd cannot give you absolutely ridiculous experiences. Im just saying that DMT seems to be a totally different beast.(just like how acid is a totally different beast than marijuana)


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..

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