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You can draw one conclusion- A pure Sativa will likely be an all-around milder buzz than a pure Indica. Many Sativas are "only" 10-15% THC, while many Indicas are 15%+.
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Re: Indica vs. Sativa [Re: Hobozen]
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Every who "knows" there is a difference has done nothing to prove it. Not one person who thinks there is a difference has done anything but just believe. I have done experiments now for a few years. I give people Sativa and tell them it's indica and vice versa. I have done this for years and no one has ever said the sativa kept them up or the indica was bad for depression. The whole thing is nonsense, total nonsense. No science just some stupid hippy myth. Indica and sativa are impossible to tell apart based on effects. Keep putting out the message OP.
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Re: Indica vs. Sativa [Re: Shroomism]
#21329258 - 02/25/15 04:47 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Astral Pain said: It takes some time to find your perfect strain when your buying off the streets. A strong indica can work better than pills, and don't leave you all hung over the next day.
It is nice. And the second statement is VERY very true. I buy primarily indica dominants because they ease my body tension and anxiety tenfold. The pain relief /body load qualities are very real. Sativas don't really help that very much.
Nothing better than having actual clean pain relief to look forward to at the end of the night. Sativa is great if you want to build a tree house or some shit. It's the best for creativity by far, and I'm a writing machine after smoking some.
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Re: Indica vs. Sativa [Re: DustBunny]
#21329274 - 02/25/15 04:51 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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DustBunny said: You can draw one conclusion- A pure Sativa will likely be an all-around milder buzz than a pure Indica. Many Sativas are "only" 10-15% THC, while many Indicas are 15%+.
Has nothing to do with THCA content, it's called the entourage effect.
Involves every terpenoid and cannibinoid present in the plant, and flavonoid if we want to discuss consuming the plant raw.
How these interact as a whole is much more crucial to the high you experience than one cannibinoid alone.
To clarify I'm not saying a 8% bud will have a substantially stronger high than 15% if it has more terpenoids (although there is research that suggests this is true).
Also there is no bud that has above 23% THCA, at that point you are growing balls of hash directly off your plant.
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I have had people try and tell me X weed is 25%+ THC
I had to explain how testing like that is done 
They thought it literally was 1/4 thc, I had to explain the % is of the total cannibinoids.
So when it says 25-35% it just means that percent of all the cannabinoids 
Then usually it doesn't even say the percent of cannabinoids to bud.
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this thread makes me lol
over half of these posts belong in grasscity or something. nothing but anecdotal evidence(which isnt evidence really)
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Re: Indica vs. Sativa [Re: Adolin]
#21329385 - 02/25/15 05:13 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well Gresh, say someone where to do a study of different strains/ indica/ sativa's effects on people.
How would they do it?
They would give people certain buds to smoke and describe how they feel 
Then the consensus of how people were effected along with whatever control was used, probably a placebo or giving people the opposite of what they were told, would make up the "scientific conclusion" around it's effects.
Though I will admit people describing the effects on their own as opposed to a clinical study with a control is not nearly as conclusive.
Maybe one day soon there will be clinical testing like that
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You consume the flavanoids mycrene etc. by smoking, too 
And agreed on the total cannabinoid and profile, though I'm not sure how someone could disagree That said, I would still say that a 15%+ THC bud will usually cause a stronger feeling high than a 10% Sativa. The higher ratio of THC leaves less room for the others, and THC is the anxiety-inducing one that makes us feel ripped.
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Re: Indica vs. Sativa [Re: Adolin]
#21329425 - 02/25/15 05:22 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Me_Roy said: Original post details why anecdotal evidence is not reliable.
1000 people reply with their anecdotal evidence.
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Gresh said: this thread makes me lol
over half of these posts belong in grasscity or something. nothing but anecdotal evidence(which isnt evidence really)
Pray tell then, how do you get objective empirical evidence on how different strains/species effect people?
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Re: Indica vs. Sativa [Re: Shroomism]
#21329447 - 02/25/15 05:26 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Gresh said: this thread makes me lol
over half of these posts belong in grasscity or something. nothing but anecdotal evidence(which isnt evidence really)
Pray tell then, how do you get objective empirical evidence on how different strains/species effect people?
maybe give them a strain without them knowing what it is and have them describe its properties? taste, smell, budfeel, different effects, etc
or maybe you just dont? i dont know. i m not claiming i know the answers or anything, im just laughing at the people who claim they do without any non anecdotal evidence
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Re: Indica vs. Sativa [Re: Adolin]
#21329486 - 02/25/15 05:35 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Any feeling you can analyze time & time again is absolutely not placebo.
I've been growing cannabis for over 20 years. Originally I grew indica leaning plants and was not accustomed to new , higher thc hybrids and strong sativas with psychedelic type highs. I remember when I first grew the silver pearl in 2000. Something about that strain made me bug out with paranoia every time! Now my purple OG 18 gets me like that sometimes. Conversely, I used a local strain called "the purp" for tension relief. I came to not enjoy the pearl. One day I came home after a stressy worki day and hit a pipe that had the top hit already so I couldn't see what it even was. The instant, sharp head trip feeling and I knew I whacked the pearl. It made my anxiety even worse. I smoked the purp to come off it. In this case, whether the plants mentioned were in fact a or b or whatever else, the effects mentally & physically were reliably able to be guaged.
Its as easy as asking someone, does this hurt ? does this feel good? We don't need science to tell us how to guage our feelings!
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We don't need science to tell us how to guage our feelings!
comments like this are why us stoners dont get taken seriously.
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Re: Indica vs. Sativa [Re: Adolin]
#21329590 - 02/25/15 06:00 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Gresh said: this thread makes me lol
over half of these posts belong in grasscity or something. nothing but anecdotal evidence(which isnt evidence really)
Pray tell then, how do you get objective empirical evidence on how different strains/species effect people?
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Gresh said: maybe give them a strain without them knowing what it is and have them describe its properties? taste, smell, budfeel, different effects, etc
or maybe you just dont? i dont know. i m not claiming i know the answers or anything, im just laughing at the people who claim they do without any non anecdotal evidence
The answer to the question is that you give a bunch of people strains, and have them describe THROUGH THEIR ANECDOTAL feelings how it effects them.
Yeah sure, sampling a larger group of people and having a control group etc will get you closer to an objective answer...... But that doesn't mean my 15+ years of personal experience as well as many others doesn't mean jack fucking shit.
There is no SCIENTIFIC 100% OBJECTIVE WAY to gauge pain response or relief. Go to a hospital. They have a chart gauging from 1-10.... well how much better do you FEEL?
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Re: Indica vs. Sativa [Re: Shroomism]
#21329592 - 02/25/15 06:01 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Indica vs. Sativa [Re: Adolin]
#21329596 - 02/25/15 06:02 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Gresh said:
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Oeric McKenna said:
We don't need science to tell us how to guage our feelings!
comments like this are why us stoners dont get taken seriously.
There's no science to gauge pain. They always ask you to gauge it on a scale of one to ten, and how scientific is that ruler with all the little faces with different expressions of pain.
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Astral Pain said:
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Gresh said:
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Oeric McKenna said:
We don't need science to tell us how to guage our feelings!
comments like this are why us stoners dont get taken seriously.
There's no science to gauge pain. They always ask you to gauge it on a scale of one to ten, and how scientific is that ruler with all the little faces with different expressions of pain.
yes there is. please just stop.
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Oeric McKenna said: Any feeling you can analyze time & time again is absolutely not placebo.
I've been growing cannabis for over 20 years. Originally I grew indica leaning plants and was not accustomed to new , higher thc hybrids and strong sativas with psychedelic type highs. I remember when I first grew the silver pearl in 2000. Something about that strain made me bug out with paranoia every time! Now my purple OG 18 gets me like that sometimes. Conversely, I used a local strain called "the purp" for tension relief. I came to not enjoy the pearl. One day I came home after a stressy worki day and hit a pipe that had the top hit already so I couldn't see what it even was. The instant, sharp head trip feeling and I knew I whacked the pearl. It made my anxiety even worse. I smoked the purp to come off it. In this case, whether the plants mentioned were in fact a or b or whatever else, the effects mentally & physically were reliably able to be guaged.
Its as easy as asking someone, does this hurt ? does this feel good? We don't need science to tell us how to guage our feelings!
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Re: Indica vs. Sativa [Re: Webster10]
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Gresh said:
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Oeric McKenna said:
We don't need science to tell us how to guage our feelings!
comments like this are why us stoners dont get taken seriously.
There's no science to gauge pain. They always ask you to gauge it on a scale of one to ten, and how scientific is that ruler with all the little faces with different expressions of pain.
yes there is. please just stop.
What is it then? Do share.
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Re: Indica vs. Sativa [Re: my3rdeye]
#21330061 - 02/25/15 07:41 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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my3rdeye said: Every who "knows" there is a difference has done nothing to prove it. Not one person who thinks there is a difference has done anything but just believe. I have done experiments now for a few years. I give people Sativa and tell them it's indica and vice versa. I have done this for years and no one has ever said the sativa kept them up or the indica was bad for depression. The whole thing is nonsense, total nonsense. No science just some stupid hippy myth. Indica and sativa are impossible to tell apart based on effects. Keep putting out the message OP.
idk it may be placebo, but if it is then it's a fucking powerful placebo. at least for me.
i remember once I had a gram of what was said to be sativa and a gram of what was said to be indica. I kept them in different baggies and I forgot which was which.
one baggie would produce a very psychedelic high for me. I felt much more self conscious on it and I found it difficult to be around strangers, let alone converse with them. It made me think extremely creatively and abstractly which was enjoyable but at the same time I would over analyse EVERYTHING on it. It made my thoughts race.
the second baggie made my body feel really, really heavy and my mind felt completely blank. It was as if my thoughts just completely stopped. No "psychedelic" thoughts, no "revelations", no "overanalysis", just nothing. It was almost like a drunken high. I found it much easier to be around other people on this and I didn't feel anywhere as self conscious.
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I thought this thread was about indica , he's down in the South Pole pushing icebergs around the sea with survival boats and shit, drink copious amounts of rum. Jack sparrow styles
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