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PLEASE PLEASE HELP BAD TRIP!!
    #21326794 - 02/25/15 07:36 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Hey guys a little background I'm 18 weighing 170 lbs and 6"0', male. I've done dmt dozens of times, without ever breaking through, and that was interesting but it left me fine mentally afterwards.

A couple weeks ago I decided to do shrooms for the first time.. I measured out exactly 3.1g containing 4 caps and the rest stems. They must have been very potent because I was in no way prepared for this.. At one point I thought I was being sentenced to eternity in hell and I begged for forgiveness, at another point I lost all sense of time, and at another point all of these conflicts in life began to surface.. I kept thinking of things that society "forbids" such as watching porn and masturbating, cursing, being homosexual, etc etc. and I couldn't understand why these things are here and possible for us if we are not meant to partake in them. I also realized that we might only be able to perceive things through our 5 senses because that is the only way we are able to mentally handle processing our environment. I believe that there are certain things I have seen that humans might not be meant to see..

So that was my intense trip. It was a few weeks ago and I was able to come back to reality after a few days but this past Thursday I made the stupidest decision of my life.. I took an unknown but extremely large dose of k2 (synthetic weed) and tripped hard for literally 24 hours and laid in bed for an entire day. I went insane on it and thought I was re living moments over and over and no one would tell me because I would forget it soon and start over anyway.

Anyway, since then and I believe that the k2 combined with the mushroom trip has left me in a terrible haze and I feel disconnected from reality and lonely inside. I keep thinking about death and what the point of life even is, and I'm having a really hard time coming back to normal and I'm scared that i might never return.. I can still function as if everything is fine, but it's my thoughts that keep running wild on these insane topics and experiences I've had. I see other people going about their day to day life caught up in the bull shit as if they don't even realize that it has no meaning and they will be dead forever before they even know it.

I'm really scared and disconnected and I've never felt more lonely in my life. I really don't know what to do and I'm sorry if I wrote a lot here it's just been so much to take in this past week..I just need advice. Hopefully someone has had a similar experience..?

Thanks..

Edited by mexxel (02/25/15 07:44 AM)

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Re: PLEASE PLEASE HELP BAD TRIP!! [Re: mexxel]
    #21326822 - 02/25/15 07:50 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Listen, I have been in your situation before more than once, with mush and also unfortunately with the disgusting K2.

K2 nearly ruined my life. It put me in a temporary "haze" like you say, and I became extremely lonely and disconnected...pretty much exactly the feelings you are describing.

Once I kicked K2 I started exercising and playing music, and the fog started to clear from my brain. That was years ago now and today I am feeling great. But those substances, particularly K2, have had me in a dark place before. Try staying off them for a while, and I'd advise you to never touch K2 again under any circumstance.

I am confident that you will come "back to reality". You may not feel like your "old self", because you've gained some serious insight along the way of this otherwise frightening experience. Try to take your new outlooks on life as a positive thing rather than thinking about all the negatives, such as what is not allowed as opposed to what IS allowed....which is a lot! The earth is large and has much to offer you and will support life for you.

You will get back out of your relatively short life what you put into it. So put positivity into the world; find some things to get your blood flowing and mind working. You will come back to earth and I hope you have a pleasant stay.


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Re: PLEASE PLEASE HELP BAD TRIP!! [Re: mexxel]
    #21326827 - 02/25/15 07:54 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I can throw in my 2 cents here:

Stay away fro that K2 bullshit.  I smoked weed almost everyday for years and then switched to synthetic for about 3 months because of a drug test.  First off, smoke a pinch of that shit.  Just a fucking pinch at a time.  Anymore will cause seizures.  And yes, the high sucks and its probably doing damage.  I stopped that shit within a few months.

It seems you have a real nihilist point of view.  Friedrich Nietzsche was known for this philosophy.  Look him up.

Also check out other Existential philosophers like Sartre and Camus.  After doing a bit of research myself, I moved away from a nihilist approach to life.  In a sense, life can be perceived as meaningless, but I soon discovered that life is only how each of us perceive it.  And you, yourself, can have no idea how someone else perceives life.  You only have your own perception of how they perceive it. 

Long story short, life is whatever you make of it.  It is what it is, but you always have a decision on how you perceive it.  Don't think of the world in absolutes.  There is no true or true wrong.  No good or evil.  Life is but a perception.  But more importantly, its YOUR perception.


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Re: PLEASE PLEASE HELP BAD TRIP!! [Re: bsfurr]
    #21326833 - 02/25/15 08:00 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah ive seen alott of people have really bad things happen to them because of synthetic cannabanoids.


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Re: PLEASE PLEASE HELP BAD TRIP!! [Re: whitelights]
    #21326954 - 02/25/15 08:45 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

you know, these things are never permanent. the mind can snap back. but then what does it snap back to? we are agents of change, i know your in a bad place atm but things will flow into whatever you want and you will get better

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Re: PLEASE PLEASE HELP BAD TRIP!! [Re: aura8]
    #21327069 - 02/25/15 09:22 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Is k2 called k2 because it gets you really high? (Like the mountain.. :wink: )

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Re: PLEASE PLEASE HELP BAD TRIP!! [Re: bsfurr]
    #21327100 - 02/25/15 09:30 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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In a sense, life can be perceived as meaningless, but I soon discovered that life is only how each of us perceive it.  And you, yourself, can have no idea how someone else perceives life.  You only have your own perception of how they perceive it. 

Long story short, life is whatever you make of it.  It is what it is, but you always have a decision on how you perceive it.  Don't think of the world in absolutes.  There is no true or true wrong.  No good or evil.  Life is but a perception.  But more importantly, its YOUR perception.





This is good advive.
I'm generally nihilistic too.

The way to look at I guess would be; Ok so nothing really matters, everything here eats everything else, life has no real value and we are just as negligible as a grain of sand.

But do I prefer being happy to feeling like shit?
Damn straight.
so shove all that shit to the side and live for happiness.

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Re: PLEASE PLEASE HELP BAD TRIP!! [Re: jawsome]
    #21327346 - 02/25/15 10:32 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Listen, I have been in your situation before more than once, with mush and also unfortunately with the disgusting K2.

K2 nearly ruined my life. It put me in a temporary "haze" like you say, and I became extremely lonely and disconnected...pretty much exactly the feelings you are describing.

Once I kicked K2 I started exercising and playing music, and the fog started to clear from my brain. That was years ago now and today I am feeling great. But those substances, particularly K2, have had me in a dark place before. Try staying off them for a while, and I'd advise you to never touch K2 again under any circumstance.

I am confident that you will come "back to reality". You may not feel like your "old self", because you've gained some serious insight along the way of this otherwise frightening experience. Try to take your new outlooks on life as a positive thing rather than thinking about all the negatives, such as what is not allowed as opposed to what IS allowed....which is a lot! The earth is large and has much to offer you and will support life for you.

You will get back out of your relatively short life what you put into it. So put positivity into the world; find some things to get your blood flowing and mind working. You will come back to earth and I hope you have a pleasant stay.



Your response gives me hope.. Unfortunately I cannot unsee what I have seen so I'm going to have to accept that. Last night I closed my eyes and envisioned myself creating and expanding and contracting an attire universe and it suddenly hit me, that this entire life is a joke. We all have the ability to create universes because they have no weight. No value or meaning. How do we know that our universe now is not one of a trillion that was created in the same way I "created" one last night? What if I am God? Or we all are? Thoughts like this have been driving me insane, along with my newfound knowledge of time being an illusion. It's perceived as linear by us because that's the only way we can make sense of it but it's actually all at once. There is no such thing as time..

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Re: PLEASE PLEASE HELP BAD TRIP!! [Re: mexxel]
    #21327579 - 02/25/15 11:23 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

This is why religion is sometimes called the opiate of the masses*. It provides all the answers that might otherwise be frightening to contemplate. It's possible that an advanced alien species created our universe and maybe many others, though it's doubtful you created one in your bedroom. There's limitations to what we humans know and you could spend your whole life only scratching the surface of human knowledge. I had my third eye pried open as a young man and I've never yet stopped building on what I know. That's what I'm doing here, whereas most my friends stopped exploring their reality long time ago. You're going to be OK.

*I'm not trying to start a religious debate. I'm not even an atheist, just not a fan of organized religion. 


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Re: PLEASE PLEASE HELP BAD TRIP!! [Re: mexxel]
    #21327581 - 02/25/15 11:23 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

relax and meditate until you feel normal, 2 hours is a good goal, stretch and let the nourishing oxygen fill your body, do a yoga pose or two, take deep full breaths, spice is a nasty thing that can guarantee bad trips. i took some spice on a dxm trip and immediately my visuals turned to skulls and i felt like i was about to die due to how my breathing was. i rushed into alternate nostril breathing until i felt sober (well, back on dxm, sober from the spice)

I wish you all the best of luck and happiness and joy! :laugh:


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Re: PLEASE PLEASE HELP BAD TRIP!! [Re: mexxel]
    #21327835 - 02/25/15 12:37 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I like your train of thought here... but you must keep digging deeper.

Life is but a joke... if thats what you've convinced yourself.  Or you may convince yourself that life is a horrible pit of despair.  Or a rare gift that allows a spirit to experience.  Maybe its all of those things at the same time.

You're absolutely right when you say life has no meaning.  But what if thats the meaning of life?  Is this a paradox? 

Assign a meaning to your life.  Or don't.  Or both.  Thats the beauty of nirvana.  Its nothing and everything all at the same time.  Thats how I choose to live my life.  Its the most confusing, clear headed way of thinking :smile:


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Re: PLEASE PLEASE HELP BAD TRIP!! [Re: bsfurr]
    #21327871 - 02/25/15 12:45 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

it took me a full year to reterun to my full self after a serious shroom trip i ended up in a mental hospital for a month because i wouldn't speak but for a month and a half i just refused to say anything its hard to say why in part i dident think it was real but i ate three 8ths of dry psilocybe azurescens you will be fine just stay sober for a while


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Re: PLEASE PLEASE HELP BAD TRIP!! [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21327991 - 02/25/15 01:06 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

OP, a shroom trip will open your mind and show you a lot about yourself, learn from it, change things that were presented to you by your own mind, if you can tie things that happen in your "bad" trip to things you do in your real life that you are not happy about, listen to what it's trying to tell you. Shrooms are not labeled as a teacher for no reason :thumbup:

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Re: PLEASE PLEASE HELP BAD TRIP!! [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21328329 - 02/25/15 02:03 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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it took me a full year to reterun to my full self after a serious shroom trip i ended up in a mental hospital for a month because i wouldn't speak but for a month and a half i just refused to say anything its hard to say why in part i dident think it was real but i ate three 8ths of dry psilocybe azurescens you will be fine just stay sober for a while




ate 10 g of cubes once and the next morning i was back to normal i was even better :shrug: .

I know its 10.5 of azure but geez this is not normal man , probably huge fuckin demons that you got and saw there man.

For the OP i blame the spice . shitest drug ive ever did , probably can even turn you gay


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Re: PLEASE PLEASE HELP BAD TRIP!! [Re: Jean-guy Masta]
    #21328370 - 02/25/15 02:09 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

As far as taking away things from my bad trips, specifically the shrooms, I find that when I came up on shrooms it felt very similar to dmt. I also forgot 90% of what I was shown it feels like, just like dmt. How can I remember more of what I was shown? I seem to only remember the concepts I realized but not how I realized them or what I saw exactly to make me know these things.

The scariest part of my shroom trip and thank God I was with friends, was when I truly believed that I would not come back and my mom's voice echoed in my head "why did you do it? Now youll trip forever like the guy who thinks he's a glass of orange juice" and I started to have intense suicidal thoughts because time was meaningless and I thought it would be the only way to end the hell..

Another thing I remember while on the shrooms is thinking that the magic mushroom could very well have been the Apple of eden, or the forbidden  "fruit" of knowledge, and now I see why it's forbidden..

Not saying I will never do shrooms again because I will, but I will eat a lower dose next time and work my way up.

Edited by mexxel (02/25/15 02:13 PM)

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Re: PLEASE PLEASE HELP BAD TRIP!! [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21328421 - 02/25/15 02:18 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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it took me a full year to reterun to my full self after a serious shroom trip i ended up in a mental hospital for a month because i wouldn't speak but for a month and a half i just refused to say anything its hard to say why in part i dident think it was real but i ate three 8ths of dry psilocybe azurescens you will be fine just stay sober for a while



Holy crap dude....according to this....2.5g of azzies are comparable to a level 5 trip...You ate 10.5G?? No wonder you had to reconcile yourself after that.

https://www.shroomery.org/12495/Psilocybe-azurescens


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Re: PLEASE PLEASE HELP BAD TRIP!! [Re: mexxel]
    #21328891 - 02/25/15 03:37 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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I seem to only remember the concepts I realized but not how I realized them or what I saw exactly to make me know these things.




With mushrooms, frequently these kind of ideas will suddenly hit you like the "light bulb" moment in a cartoon - so you suddenly "know" something without any conscious thought about it. Other times your thoughts are roaming all over the place at 200mph and you suddenly leap to a conclusion about something. As for seeing things, there is a lot of complex geometry in the shapes of the closed-eye visuals, and sometimes this is viewed in a certain way that seems to be telling you something.

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They must have been very potent because I was in no way prepared for this.. At one point I thought I was being sentenced to eternity in hell and I begged for forgiveness, at another point I lost all sense of time




I think your shroom experiences, thoughts and confusion are normal for a high-dose trip when you aren't really prepared for the intensity. These kind of trips can feel like a private hell, but when this happens you are actually very close to breaking through into something that feels more like heaven. I think you would get over this kind of trip in a few days; it's the K2 that's really the problem.

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Not saying I will never do shrooms again because I will, but I will eat a lower dose next time and work my way up.




Yeah, that's sensible. The shrooms are very interesting, but strong trips can be very harsh unless you slowly build up to them. :peace:


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Re: PLEASE PLEASE HELP BAD TRIP!! [Re: mexxel]
    #21328982 - 02/25/15 03:50 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Unfortunately the best course of action is to embrace the haze you are currently viewing life through and ride it all out, making sure to not take any substances that are going to delay the comedown of it all.  That's K2, mushies, probably weed too if you are really that out of it.  Assuming you don't have any mental/physical addictions that would hinder the process, that is. 

Last summer my buddy on probation smoked 2 fat blunts of straight K2 by himself (no one else wanted any) while drunk and on xanax and adderal.  Be thankful you didn't do all that, boy was he totally gone.  I remember we were all kind of waiting for him to finish and as soon as he's done and we get up to leave he tries to tell us we can't leave yet because he has some K2 he wants to smoke.  When he couldn't find it we asked him if he was referring to the K2 he had just somehow rolled and smoked in from of us, and he had forgotten the whole thing.  He actually thought we were lying to him because we didn't want him to smoke it.

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Re: PLEASE PLEASE HELP BAD TRIP!! [Re: Boomballoon]
    #21330989 - 02/25/15 11:03 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

my dealer/friend used to sell me cubensis and i would buy an 8th or two a week. But one day i wanted to trip hard so i decided to eat 2 8ths so i went to pick up half an ounce for me and a friend plus some for later. But he sold me his personal shrooms on accident (i found this out latter) and they were dry psilocybe azurescens. I ate 2 8ths my friend who it was his first time ate 1 8th and we went for a walk i dident feel it by the time we got to the grocery store but he did so i bought an orange juice walking home i drank it and started feeling it we got back and i got paranoid about the rest of the shrooms cuz he was acting really crazy and had a pocket knife so i was woried he might hurt someone so not wanting to be waste full i ate the rest in case we need to call the cops and asked him if he wanted to chill and skate so he would calm down (its 1:00 in the morning) so he said sure so we left and skated i could see cracks in the ground like rivers floeting through the street theirs a bus stop by my house and i dident rember this but he recorded us thier he was screaming i can see myself looking at this through myself followed by im never doing drugs again but i probley will and then laffing hysterically then i said thiers a spider with 8 no ten legs and its realy scary then he shut it off then and my memory is hazey on reality but i think we went to the football field by my house and had a deep conversation on weather we were now insane permanintly i thought it had been hundreds of years if not thousands i thought we were so insane we dident understand humans lived utill they died i thought we had ecaped the lunnie bin but then things turend into purple lines and clocks all ticking and breaking one thing i do rember is hard to explain its like red lines thats made of the unevrse but there threads and i was on the magic school bus i woke up in my bed with my pillow ripped open and goose feathers cutting my whole arm it was the best and worst trip of my life but that's how i lost it i was perfectly sane just that i dident want to talk when you spend what feels like hundreds of years its not too hard to do i haven't done shrooms since


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Re: PLEASE PLEASE HELP BAD TRIP!! [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21331096 - 02/25/15 11:41 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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