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One Flipped Cake Result
    #21321499 - 02/24/15 07:38 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Hello all!

I am new to the community and firstly want to thank everyone on this beautiful site for volunteering their knowledge for the betterment of all.

Now, I have had some interesting results with my first grow (Keeper's Creepers) that I wanted to share. I have read threads about whether it is better to flip the brf cake or not. Well, I have found this time that, out of four pint-sized cakes, the three that came out of the jar upside and stayed that way have all begun to form pins and shrooms from the base of the cakes.

I am still getting decent results there, but there was one cake that wouldn't stand up when I tipped it out of the jar, so I flipped it back around to be "right-side up". Meaning, the same up direction that it had been colonizing in the jar. This one cake has went wild on the top with what looks like will be a great yield.

This is the fc yesterday (2-23-15)


This is the "right-side up" cake. Sitting just as it was in the jar. (2-23-15)


This is the flipped cake that came out of the jar. (2-23-15)


Here is the "good" cake again today (2-24-15)


To further experiment a bit, last night I flipped over the weakest pinning cake to be "right-side up" and I will see if this one now grows better on the top layer. I will keep you all posted as to the outcome.

Could it be that the "flip to initiate pinning" may have some inconsistencies? Would love to hear an elder's thoughts. Thanks guys!

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Re: One Flipped Cake Result [Re: vinyinnyincy]
    #21321506 - 02/24/15 07:40 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Looks good mate :wink:


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Re: One Flipped Cake Result [Re: vinyinnyincy]
    #21321514 - 02/24/15 07:42 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Interesting...

Did you have a dry verm layer and did you dunk and roll?

If no verm layer, is there really a difference btwn the top and the bottom?


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Re: One Flipped Cake Result [Re: EncyclopediaBrown]
    #21321537 - 02/24/15 07:52 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Yes, there was a dry verm layer on all cakes. All were dunked and rolled. Dunked with 1:12 (H2O2:H20) and rolled on all sides including tops and bottoms. At first, I actually noticed the upside down cakes were growing more mycelium over the top (respectively) verm layer, while pinning at the bottom. Now the tops are hyphal knotting and some looking like primordia.

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Re: One Flipped Cake Result [Re: vinyinnyincy]
    #21321572 - 02/24/15 08:04 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

interesting take on the fc. you'd get more use of the perlite if you have holes underneath.

btw I would have put those cakes with multiple fruits on a saucer of water,
they're gonna need lots of water to mature!

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Re: One Flipped Cake Result [Re: spacechildo]
    #21321631 - 02/24/15 08:23 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I'm with Spacehildo,
what's the tin tray for, containing the perlite? You need air to pas through that to get proper humidity...
they seem to be pretty healthy though :laugh:
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Re: One Flipped Cake Result [Re: keeno]
    #21321881 - 02/24/15 09:31 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Why did you use H2O2 in your dunk water? Seems that would slow down the mycelium. I've heard of people using it to treat early stages of cobweb mold but that's it. I hadn't heard of that and was just curious.


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Re: One Flipped Cake Result [Re: vinyinnyincy]
    #21322072 - 02/24/15 10:23 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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vinyinnyincy said:
Hello all!

I am new to the community and firstly want to thank everyone on this beautiful site for volunteering their knowledge for the betterment of all.

Now, I have had some interesting results with my first grow (Keeper's Creepers) that I wanted to share. I have read threads about whether it is better to flip the brf cake or not. Well, I have found this time that, out of four pint-sized cakes, the three that came out of the jar upside and stayed that way have all begun to form pins and shrooms from the base of the cakes.

I am still getting decent results there, but there was one cake that wouldn't stand up when I tipped it out of the jar, so I flipped it back around to be "right-side up". Meaning, the same up direction that it had been colonizing in the jar. This one cake has went wild on the top with what looks like will be a great yield.

This is the fc yesterday (2-23-15)


This is the "right-side up" cake. Sitting just as it was in the jar. (2-23-15)


This is the flipped cake that came out of the jar. (2-23-15)


Here is the "good" cake again today (2-24-15)


To further experiment a bit, last night I flipped over the weakest pinning cake to be "right-side up" and I will see if this one now grows better on the top layer. I will keep you all posted as to the outcome.

Could it be that the "flip to initiate pinning" may have some inconsistencies? Would love to hear an elder's thoughts. Thanks guys!




Nice work

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Re: One Flipped Cake Result [Re: vinyinnyincy]
    #21322092 - 02/24/15 10:30 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Could it be that the "flip to initiate pinning" may have some inconsistencies? Would love to hear an elder's thoughts. Thanks guys!




I'm pretty sure it's because of your fruiting chamber, which is...unconventional.


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Re: One Flipped Cake Result [Re: keeno]
    #21322396 - 02/24/15 11:49 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

keeno, The way I read initially (and I'm now seeing there are many other ways to do it), was not just to soak the perlite and strain it, but to fill a container with 2 inches of perlite and then literally pour in 1:12 mixture to about 1 inch, so that it doesn't rise above the perlite. Seeing as my fc was so big surface area wise, I wanted to use the aluminum tray so that I could use a little less perlite (cheap, I know :crazy:). The pan also gives run off somewhere to go, but that is really superfluous.

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Re: One Flipped Cake Result [Re: spacechildo]
    #21322407 - 02/24/15 11:52 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

spacechildo, Okay, so just actually pool a little water underneath them? I have them on lids that have little lips; I could probably get a pool of 20ml or so on there.

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Re: One Flipped Cake Result [Re: FreeWorldOrder]
    #21322411 - 02/24/15 11:53 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

FreeWorldOrder, I used H2O2 out of paranoia that I had a yeast contam in my brf jars. For some reason I thought pints would be better and didn't listen to the elders. (I am going to buy some half pint today!) So basically they all stalled out. I still have one more that is in the jar stalled and metabolites started showing up. My belief now is that I made the substrate too watery (with the water sinking to the bottom) and there was little to no gas exchange with the bottom of the jar due to the viscosity of the substrate. So I took precaution because I heard peroxide can kill molds and, perhaps, yeast (???). In the end, I think it was just uncolonized due to aforementioned mishaps and I knocked away the uncolonized portion, and was able to salvage the cakes.

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Re: One Flipped Cake Result [Re: blazedup]
    #21322414 - 02/24/15 11:53 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

blazedup, Thank you very much! I'm quite proud of these little children.

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Re: One Flipped Cake Result [Re: vinyinnyincy]
    #21322439 - 02/24/15 11:59 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Right on.... just wondered.

And the tall jars compact the substrate on the bottom which can and will impede or stall colonization.

I use tall 1/2 pints with success, (the wide mouths are recommended)
but I mix my brf/verm on the light and fluffy side and don't handle more than necessary to make up for it. I have to pay closer attention to the mix but the talls can be made to work much better.


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Re: One Flipped Cake Result [Re: Psilicon]
    #21322444 - 02/24/15 12:00 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

van der griegen, I bet it is. It is just a "monotub" design. Pan inside helps hold water underneath perlite, and allows for less perlite use. Simple thermometer and hygrometer (that stupid thing never reads above 85%). Misting the sides with 1:12 solution two times a day. The most important part is fanning for FAE, which I do probably six times a day or something crazy, but since this is my first grow, I am obsessed. I'm sure once it gets to be more routine or growing larger amounts, then I will want to have poly-filled holes for easier FAE and maybe some other fancy toys.

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    #21322454 - 02/24/15 12:02 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

fix your FC setup, standing water can spell disaster. the perlite is useless without holes in the bottom of whatever they're in anyway.

h2o2 isnt a fix for yeast it only fixes cobweb but also hurts myc in the process.
if you dont have saucers I guess those lipped lids are gonna suffice!

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Re: One Flipped Cake Result [Re: vinyinnyincy]
    #21322461 - 02/24/15 12:04 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Fanning isn't enough air for FAE.  It helps create a period of rapid evaporation off your substate, which can help pinning, but for FAE you need more airflow than that.  Monotubs, shotgun fruiting chambers, terrariums and various pods are all designed around this principle.  You definitely want FAE holes ASAP.

You can ditch the peroxide.  Mushrooms don't like being sprayed with it any more than you do, so save it for when you suspect an infection that can be helped by peroxide (read: Dactylium).


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Re: One Flipped Cake Result [Re: Psilicon]
    #21322497 - 02/24/15 12:16 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Ok, so I will certainly look at getting some holes in there. The mushrooms never get sprayed with the peroxide, just the sides of the chamber. I'm thinking not only can this help with contams in the water, but the oxygen gas diffused can help fill the chamber.

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Re: One Flipped Cake Result [Re: vinyinnyincy]
    #21322534 - 02/24/15 12:28 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

You don't have to worry about the contams in the water, and the problem isn't too little oxygen.  It's too much carbon dioxide.


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Re: One Flipped Cake Result [Re: Psilicon]
    #21326380 - 02/25/15 02:52 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

you're working off of old info there vinyinnyincy
looks like it's working, but it's not optimum, so with a few small changes you can get the best out of things.

here's what I've read latey


put 1/4" holes spaced 2" apart over all 6 sides of your fruiting chamber. Don't be a tight ass and buy some more perlite, you should have 4-5" in the boom, soaked in just water, I'm not sure if the h202 will help the myc, as Van De Griegen and SpaceChildo say, it can damage myc, so get rid of that, it's used for contams such as cobweb.
the reason for holes in all sides (drain it properly if you're worried about it dripping, even if it feels pretty dry there'l be lots of water in there) is that it allows air currents to move through the perlite, and with its massive surface area, humidify that air to the right amount for the mushrooms. a tray of water won't create anywhere near as much humidity as a proper shot gun fruiting chamber. So raise your chamber 3" or so off the surface it's sitting on to allow air to be drawn in from the bottom.

Don't spray the sides down that's no longer considered worthwhile.

sit your cakes on lids/ tin foil and add water only if they're dry, (dunking when you first birth them should be enough), Otherwise you get standing water which is a vector for contams.

Keep misting and fanning as you are, like Van Der Griegen says, the evaporation of water from the myc promotes pinning, and tells the mushrooms it's time to fruit.

so as far as I know that's the best basic set up you can have for cakes, and will keep the little beauties happy :laugh:

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Re: One Flipped Cake Result [Re: vinyinnyincy]
    #21352369 - 03/02/15 02:54 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

How're they looking now vinny?


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Re: One Flipped Cake Result [Re: EncyclopediaBrown]
    #21353983 - 03/02/15 09:19 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

The entire first flush is still coming! It's looking like it will be about 14 grams dried from four cakes. But...

First Cake 12 Hours before Harvest (5 grams dried)


Second Cake Harvesting (4 grams dried)

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Re: One Flipped Cake Result [Re: vinyinnyincy]
    #21353991 - 03/02/15 09:22 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Gorgeous fruits.  :thumbup:


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Re: One Flipped Cake Result [Re: Psilicon]
    #21354325 - 03/02/15 10:46 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Gorgeous fruits.  :thumbup:



:whathesaid:

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    #21354342 - 03/02/15 10:49 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Beautiful! :thumbup:

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