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Considering starting a monotub and have a few quesitons
    #21318746 - 02/23/15 04:40 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I have read most of these:  ALL you need to know about Growing Monotub Bulk Mushrooms by moonsparrow

I wanna clarify a few things about terminology let me know if any of these are wrong:
Coir: a component of bulk substrate
Bulk substrate: a mix of coir/verm and sometimes coffee
Spawn: inoculated grains like WBS or rye berries that have fully colonized then before being added to the tub have been shaken to break up the myc
Casing: exactly the same as your bulk substrate layer but is added after mixing some amount of spawn with some amount of bulk substrate. Its essentially a cap of BS on top.

now for the actual questons:

What is the advantage to adding coffee to the substrate if I am doing a grow with B+?

how deep should substrate be, I read like 4-5 inches, Is this measurement w/ or w/o the added spawn?

what is a good ratio for spawn to substrate?

once spawn has been added to the substrate how much do you mix together. Large_dose in the Ohmatic tub grow just says mix the entire spawn with the top inch of the substrate. that seems like a lot of unused substrate.

Monotubs are more set and forget than PF tek right? The only thing you have to do is unplug holes and fill with polyfill to allow FAE and provide a light source. No fanning and misting is necessary correct?

If fanning and misting is not necessary would I then ever uncover the lid until it is time to flush? I would have a clear monotub so I can see the mushrooms.

I think that's all the questions I have for now that I couldn't find an answer to with search.

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Re: Considering starting a monotub and have a few quesitons [Re: dsfo45]
    #21318826 - 02/23/15 04:59 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

1. No input as I have never used coffee
2. 4-5" is fine. Yes that includes the spawn w/ substrate
3. I would use 6-8 qts. of colonized rye per tub. Absolute minimum of 4 qts.
4. I mix the colonized rye evenly through the entire substrate with gloved hands and then smooth the surface as much as possible without packing your substrate.
5. I'm sure others do it different ways. I however mist and fan the shit out of my monotubs. Never tried to set it and forget it before.
6. If they weren't you wouldn't but I think it is.

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Re: Considering starting a monotub and have a few quesitons [Re: dsfo45]
    #21318850 - 02/23/15 05:06 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

1 if you use coffee you need a ph buffer IMO wait till you get a couple grows under your belt but it adds nitrogen I belive
2 two to four inch is average thats the total bulk and spawn
3 ratio 1:1 or 2:1 to start out thats what I do anyway

But it seems you got your shit together on the rest of it good luck I'm still a noob myself but I'm sure someone will correct me


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Re: Considering starting a monotub and have a few quesitons [Re: Cuniairous]
    #21318974 - 02/23/15 05:31 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks that helps, do you guys use tub liners or put the tub in a garbage bag or neither?

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Re: Considering starting a monotub and have a few quesitons [Re: dsfo45]
    #21318983 - 02/23/15 05:33 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

i use a trash bag mix it in the bag then put the bag in the tub cut the bag down when i use clear tubs but i dont use liners with not clear tubs :thumbup:


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Re: Considering starting a monotub and have a few quesitons [Re: dsfo45]
    #21318992 - 02/23/15 05:36 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Thanks that helps, do you guys use tub liners or put the tub in a garbage bag or neither?



I've always just gorilla taped the bottom of my tubs and sides up to substrate depth. Never bagged a tub. I also have always waited to drill my tub holes until after full colonization. Then I drill and polyfill them. But that is just me.


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Re: Considering starting a monotub and have a few quesitons [Re: ya der eh]
    #21319960 - 02/23/15 09:09 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Thanks that helps, do you guys use tub liners or put the tub in a garbage bag or neither?



I've always just gorilla taped the bottom of my tubs and sides up to substrate depth. Never bagged a tub.



Liners are nice for a few reasons, including reducing side pins and being able to take the sub out for harvesting. Taping is pointless, that theory was busted awhile ago.


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Re: Considering starting a monotub and have a few quesitons *DELETED* [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #21320330 - 02/23/15 10:23 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Considering starting a monotub and have a few quesitons [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #21320341 - 02/23/15 10:25 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Liners are nice for a few reasons, including reducing side pins and being able to take the sub out for harvesting. Taping is pointless, that theory was busted awhile ago.




:whathesaid:

If side pins are your problem consider Flex-Fit trash bags. They conform with the substrate and shrink with the substrate nearly eliminating any micro-climate.


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Re: Considering starting a monotub and have a few quesitons [Re: ya der eh]
    #21320418 - 02/23/15 10:38 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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ya der eh said:
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ya der eh said:
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Thanks that helps, do you guys use tub liners or put the tub in a garbage bag or neither?



I've always just gorilla taped the bottom of my tubs and sides up to substrate depth. Never bagged a tub.



Liners are nice for a few reasons, including reducing side pins and being able to take the sub out for harvesting. Taping is pointless, that theory was busted awhile ago.



Lmao! So putting a black bag inside kicks ass but putting black tape on outside is pointless? There are more than one way to go about conveying ones ideas. One is politely the other like a condescending punk. Maybe citing some facts and dropping a link and actually trying to drop knowledge on someone instead of being a douchebag might come across better for ya! But who knows?



Whoa man chill out I never meant to come off condescending. Sides pins are caused mostly because over time the substrate shrinks and a nice micro-climate forms in between the tub and substrate. Mushrooms will fruit where the conditions are best. With a bag inside (any color), it sticks to the sub as it shrinks, thus taking away the space between the tub and sub.

No need to be name calling dude, I'm trying to help you. :shrug:


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Re: Considering starting a monotub and have a few quesitons [Re: ya der eh]
    #21320512 - 02/23/15 11:00 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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ya der eh said:
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ya der eh said:
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dsfo45 said:
Thanks that helps, do you guys use tub liners or put the tub in a garbage bag or neither?



I've always just gorilla taped the bottom of my tubs and sides up to substrate depth. Never bagged a tub.



Liners are nice for a few reasons, including reducing side pins and being able to take the sub out for harvesting. Taping is pointless, that theory was busted awhile ago.



Lmao! So putting a black bag inside kicks ass but putting black tape on outside is pointless? There are more than one way to go about conveying ones ideas. One is politely the other like a condescending punk. Maybe citing some facts and dropping a link and actually trying to drop knowledge on someone instead of being a douchebag might come across better for ya! But who knows?




Whoa where did that come from?

Case, no case?
Liner, no liner?
1:1, 2:1?
Everyones going to do it a little different. A one flush wonder where you're literally tossing it after 1 flush then yeah no liner, but the general consensus around here is use one.

The only one being a douchebag was you... wowimflabbergasted is a respectful member


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Re: Considering starting a monotub and have a few quesitons [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #21321196 - 02/24/15 05:15 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

If you are sincerely trying to help. My apologies. Usually when people say what I'm doing is pointless without saying why or showing a link to prove their point I figure them to be trolling or shit talkers. That is how I took your statement from yesterday. Take care!


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Re: Considering starting a monotub and have a few quesitons [Re: Cuniairous]
    #21321573 - 02/24/15 08:05 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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1 if you use coffee you need a ph buffer IMO wait till you get a couple grows under your belt but it adds nitrogen I belive




No.  No need to PH buffer coffee for use in this hobby.  The heat application of pasteurization cycle PH buffers the substrate materials. 

Also, you don't need a few grows under your belt before you use coffee.  That's stoner-science.  You are correct in the fact that coffee adds nitrogen though.  Coffee is in fact very high in nitrogen.


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Re: Considering starting a monotub and have a few quesitons [Re: hamloaf]
    #21321617 - 02/24/15 08:19 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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1 if you use coffee you need a ph buffer IMO wait till you get a couple grows under your belt but it adds nitrogen I belive




No.  No need to PH buffer coffee for use in this hobby.  The heat application of pasteurization cycle PH buffers the substrate materials. 

Also, you don't need a few grows under your belt before you use coffee.  That's stoner-science.  You are correct in the fact that coffee adds nitrogen though.  Coffee is in fact very high in nitrogen.




Do you need to pasteurize substrate with coffee?

I second using a liner. I did a couple mini monos and some didn't have liners -- major PIA to pick them all from the side and bottom.

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Re: Considering starting a monotub and have a few quesitons [Re: Guardian187]
    #21321625 - 02/24/15 08:21 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: Considering starting a monotub and have a few quesitons [Re: hamloaf]
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Re: Considering starting a monotub and have a few quesitons [Re: hamloaf]
    #21321671 - 02/24/15 08:35 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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1 if you use coffee you need a ph buffer IMO wait till you get a couple grows under your belt but it adds nitrogen I belive




No.  No need to PH buffer coffee for use in this hobby.  The heat application of pasteurization cycle PH buffers the substrate materials. 

Also, you don't need a few grows under your belt before you use coffee.  That's stoner-science.  You are correct in the fact that coffee adds nitrogen though.  Coffee is in fact very high in nitrogen.



But I thought too much nitrogen could make the sub to hot and ruin the experiment if not used in the right ratio!?


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Re: Considering starting a monotub and have a few quesitons [Re: Guardian187]
    #21321683 - 02/24/15 08:38 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Black bags are where its at because regardless of the role light plays in side pinning the bag tek works because the mycelium sticks to it causing the bag to shrink and stay snug against the cake. No micro climate = no worries. As far as the bulk sub, I believe the more variety the better as long as you are confident in your ability to properly prepare all components and hydrate field capacity. I would go with a minimum of wheat straw, coir, worm castings, virmiculite, and gypsum but extras like coffee grounds, cow manure compost, and cotton seed hulls can only result in more well rounded mushies. Don't forget to search how to dial in your monotub like a boss. Its the key.

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Re: Considering starting a monotub and have a few quesitons [Re: hamloaf]
    #21321709 - 02/24/15 08:45 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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1 if you use coffee you need a ph buffer IMO wait till you get a couple grows under your belt but it adds nitrogen I belive




No.  No need to PH buffer coffee for use in this hobby.  The heat application of pasteurization cycle PH buffers the substrate materials. 




what does heat have to do with PH levels? never heard of that in any science/chemistry class
nor here on the shroomery :confused2:

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Re: Considering starting a monotub and have a few quesitons [Re: spacechildo]
    #21321724 - 02/24/15 08:48 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

1,  The coffee grounds need to be spent at least once as a leeching process of excess nitrogen. 

2nd,  The spent coffee grounds need to be dehydrated, and mixed into the other bulk substrate materials BEFORE bringing all of the materials to field capacity. 

3rd,  Spent coffee grounds should only be added to bulk substrate materials at 1-3% of the amount of bulk substrate materials used, or the substrate will be too hot (high in nitrogen). 

4th, you can't "bucket tek" spent coffee grounds because they are too high in nitrogen.  The excess nitrogen is a highly potential food source for competitor molds, and bacteria, so spent coffee grounds MUST be pasteurized.

IMPORTANT!:  It's CRITICAL that you have your pasteurization techniques and procedures down pact when opting to use spent coffee grounds.  Any flaw committed in your pasteurization techniques will favor the breeding of contamination. --- the loaf----


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