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Scrimshaw's Stealth Sclerotia - Triple S Tek 1
#21319197 - 02/23/15 06:21 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Preface:
Stealth is important in all our grows regardless of your circumstances. Sure, you may have your own house with an understanding husband, wife, girlfriend, boyfriend, or roommate, but it only takes one mistake or unfortunate situation to turn our hobby into a prison sentence. When I first became interested in this hobby, I found that many of the grows on here were much larger than what I needed. Don’t get me wrong, I love looking at all the bulk grows people have going on, but with the rate I trip, I don’t need anything close to that much. This tek is strictly for hobby purposes, and you’re not going to get any real bulk, with the exception of stones.
Many posts about stealth on these forums are ultimately from teens still living with their parents who want to grow mushrooms without their knowledge. This tek is NOT about encouraging that type of behavior. This is a tek for those who cannot afford to jeopardize what they have worked hard for over a manufacturing charge. I’m an adult, have my own place, a great job, loving family and fiancé. I also happen to enjoy tripping from time to time, and don’t really feel like letting my life come crashing down around me due to the fact I’d rather not use a dealer to get my shrooms. It doesn’t take too long lurking on this site to read about some of the horror stories that can happen when an otherwise good situation turns ugly. I’d imagine there are even more stories that go unreported. Just a few examples:
-Girlfriend/Boyfriend/Roommate becomes jealous/angry then rats you out or destroys your grow. -Friend/acquaintance knows you grow, gets busted on an unrelated charge then flips on you for leniency. -House/Apt. gets broken into, grow is discovered, tips off the cops.
This tek isn’t going to 100% prevent these things from happening to you, but it will cut down the amount of incriminating shit that is out in the open and give you a better chance to keep your grow hidden. This process will allow you to entertain friends and family at your house anytime without having to spend an hour hiding stuff before hand. I’m not condoning growing without someone’s knowledge, but I’m also not going to tell you you’re a bad person either if you want to pursue this route. I’m in no place to pass judgment on your situation, just be prepared to deal with the consequences should the need arise.
My intention with this tek is not to change anyone’s minds about technique or ideal growing situations. I am completely aware that some methods used in this tek are not ideal, but I can say from experience that this method can keep your grows going indefinitely with only the purchase of one spore print or syringe. This tek will also keep your grow completely out of site during all stages of the process and keep the space needed for your grow at an absolute minimum. If this sounds like something that you’re interested in, please read on.
Intro:
Sclerotia is the most stealth grow you can do. Period. I’m going to keep the process I use to a minimum here since I essentially use the teks created by Stonesun and Violet for that. While I have not put this tek to the test with cubes, I don’t see any reason why it wouldn’t work; you’d just need to complete parts 1 and 2.
For those just starting out, sclerotia is condensed mycelium that is produced by a few certain strains of exotic mushrooms. Fresh, it is 2x as potent as cubes and dried it is about ¾ as strong as a cube. The mushroom fruits are also said to be significantly more potent than cubes.
I’m going to split this tek into 2 parts. Part 1 is the easiest and will get you awesome results without being too complicated. If you’re looking for more stones than you know what to do with and don’t want to continually grow, this is really all you need. Part 2 is all about getting prints so you can keep growing indefinitely. Both parts are very stealth.
Part 1:
1) Use this site to research as much as you can about the major species of stone producing mushrooms. The three most popular are P. galindoi, P. mexicana, and P. tampenesis. I would recommend P. galindoi.
2) Read Stonesun and Violet’s sclerotia teks and know them like the back of your hand.
Violet’s Tek : http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17910649
Stonesun’s Tek: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13431948/fpart/1/vc/1
3) Pick your strain and order a spore syringe from one of our vendors.
4) Make a SAB. If you already have a SAB just skip this step. There is nothing too stealthy about making an SAB and storing it is very easy since it just has two arm holes in it. I keep mine in a stack of other tubs with the side with the holes up against the wall. Extremely difficult to even see the holes . Even if someone saw the holes, they wouldn’t have any idea what it would be for.
5) Get a cardboard box. The one I use is 14” L 12” H 12” W. Tape the bottom well to support the weight of between 7-9 quart jars. The top 4 flaps you will cut off like this.

The reason for this is so that when the boxes are sitting in your closet on a shelf, they will appear to look like any normal cardboard box. You can’t even tell the top is missing. Also, the missing top will allow the jars to get ambient light and allow gas exchange through your filters.

6) Follow Stonesun or Violet’s tek. After you inoculate your jars, put them in one of the boxes, put it on your shelf, and forget about them for a few months. Stones should form in about 3-5 weeks and continue growing. The longest I have left them sit is 4 months from inoculation, but I have no doubt they could be harvested much earlier or much later.


If you are growing cubes, wait until your jars are 100% colonized and leave them for about a week to consolidate then move on to part 2.
7) Unless you live with someone who likes going through your closet/stuff (and if this is the case you probably shouldn’t live with them to begin with) the odds of these jars being seen is basically non-existent.
8) Harvest and enjoy the fruits of your labor.

Part 2:
Ok, now you have more stones than you know what to do with. Maybe you want to shut your grow down and revisit it again when you run out of stones. If that’s the case, you don’t need to read any further. If you want to keep your stone grow going indefinitely without having to order another syringe read on.
1) In order to avoid senesance (aka your myc getting too old and breaking down), you’ll need to fruit at least one jar in order to get spore prints so you can start from fresh genetics.
2) When trying to remain stealth, fruiting is the most challenging part. I don’t know about you, but I don’t really want to have to explain what a monotub or a SGFC is to someone who catches a glimpse of it. I also don’t want to be away from home with these fruiting chambers just chilling out in the open.
3) In order to create a stealth fruiting chamber, we’ll need a second box with the top flaps cut off. Again the cardboard box I use is 14” L 12” H 12” W.
4) Unlike part 1, you’re going to need light in order to get the mushrooms we’re looking for. I don’t have an outlet in my closet and it’s not stealthy if you have a wire running out of your closet, so I opted to go with battery operated LED pucks. I also wanted the ability to control the lights remotely, without having to open the closet. That way if someone happened to come by unexpectedly, I could kill the lights without taking a step. The problem with battery operated LEDs is that they require batteries. Batteries are expensive and don’t last long, especially on a 12/12 schedule. This is where rechargeable batteries come into play.
The pucks I use are GE 3 LED Wireless Remote Control Puck Light, 2-Pack 17494. These are between $10-$15.

Very inexpensive and they can be operated with remote control. The single remote operates both lights from a range of 50+ feet. Each puck requires 3 AA batteries and the remote takes 3 AAA. You’ll be using the remote so infrequently that you don’t need to worry about it dying. The pucks on the other hand should be changed out every 3 cycles to be safe. Simply take out the spent batteries, add 6 new rechargeable batteries, and charge the old ones. Repeat as needed. You’ll need at least 12 rechargeable AA batteries.
These lights come with Velcro attachments so you can mount the pucks to the side of the box, about half way up your tub.

I recently became aware of WiFi controlled bulbs that you can control remotely from a computer or smartphone. These need to be used in a built-in fixture or lamp, but depending on your circumstances, these may be something to consider. A draw back of these are the price.
5) For the fruiting chamber itself, I use a Sterlite 1872. The dimensions are L - 10.5" W - 7 7/8" H - 7"

Like a regular mono, I make one hole near the substrate on each of the long sides and one hole on each of the short sides near the lid. The holes are slightly smaller than ½”.
6) Pasteurize a quart of Jiffy Mix to make a casing layer. This will be way more than you need, but the full quart makes it easier to measure the temp as it’s heating. I use Frank’s tek for making casings: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18880716#18880716
7) Once your casing is cool, clean the inside of the mono and wipe it down with alcohol.
8) Line the bottom of the mono with a plastic liner that comes up to around the level of the holes you cut near the bottom. This can be a pain with a mono this small so don’t worry if it’s not perfect.
9) Take your colonized jar, break it up, and dump it onto the liner, trying to keep it pretty even.
10) Cover the top of the grains with about ¼” of casing material, trying to keep it as even as possible, but you don’t need to compress it. Save the excess casing material for later.
11) Push polyfil through the holes on the tub and put the lid on.
12) Place the chamber into the box and turn the lights on for 12/12 intervals.
13) After a few days, you should notice some of the myc coming up through the casing. You can patch this aggressive myc with some of your remaining casing material to try to get a more even pinset.
14) I like to keep the closet door slightly open when the light is not on so some fresh air can flow in there. When I turn the light on, I keep the door closed so light doesn’t leak out.
15) I have fanned and misted the tub a few times through the process, but this was probably unnecessary. The casing layer remained moist and moisture on the walls had the ideal dryness around the polyfil. These exotics like FAE and high humidity. Approx. 1/2 “ holes on a mono this small gets plenty of FAE, even in a closet. You may have to tweak your level of involvement with the tub depending on the environmental factors in your own home.
16) I got my first pin 6 days after casing.

17) Pins continued to pop up in the coming days.


18) Once your caps get nice and flat or start to drop spores, print as many as you can and tuck them away so you can start the process over again.

Final Notes:
-This tek is completely worthless if you do not follow the number one rule of stealth: KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT! There is no need to tell anyone about your grow. If you do this, you are already compromised and no amount of stealth is going to protect you.
-Feel free to experiment with box and mono sizes. The larger you can manage, the better your results will be. If you have a basement full of boxes, there is no reason you couldn’t expand this style grow exponentially. Just figure out what you’re comfortable with.
-Don’t be afraid to experiment with methods that are not popular or widely used. They might end up working for you. You’d be hard pressed to find someone on here who would encourage fruiting in a closet, but if it’s your only choice, you have to figure it out. I’ve had a lot of fun figuring out how to grow in less than ideal conditions.
-I’d like for this tek to serve as a place where you can talk about stealth techniques. As you can see it’s something I’m very interested in and I’d like to learn from others who like stealth grows. Feel free to provide your feedback .
Edited by Scrimshaw (02/27/15 01:39 PM)
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Re: Scrimshaw's Stealth Sclerotia - Triple S Tek [Re: Scrimshaw]
#21319548 - 02/23/15 07:53 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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how did the fruits turn out from the no-fae conditions in the cardbox?
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Re: Scrimshaw's Stealth Sclerotia - Triple S Tek [Re: spacechildo]
#21319676 - 02/23/15 08:18 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Similar in size compared to other grow logs I've seen here. Getting close to maturity for a couple more of them, so I'll add some pics when those are done.
I fanned and misted a few times just to be safe, but my thought is that the holes in such a small tub allowed for a large amount of FAE, even in the closet. Also the lid has some open space near the handle so that also keeps air moving.
Another thing to note is that I found them to grow toward the direction of the light source. I've been turning the tub every day or two to keep them even.
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Re: Scrimshaw's Stealth Sclerotia - Triple S Tek [Re: Scrimshaw]
#21321335 - 02/24/15 06:29 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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I don't think there's any reason to fruit.
Make a clean culture on agar and you can store a little myc in the fridge in water (i.e. low temp, low nutrient conditions = long-term storage) and expand out via LC for years.
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Re: Scrimshaw's Stealth Sclerotia - Triple S Tek [Re: BUK] 1
#21321435 - 02/24/15 07:11 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nice write up. I was looking at those Wi-Fi bulbs yesterday. Pretty cool, but super pricey. I'll wait for the Chinese to start putting out cheaper knock offs.
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Re: Scrimshaw's Stealth Sclerotia - Triple S Tek [Re: BUK] 1
#21321770 - 02/24/15 09:00 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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BUK said: I don't think there's any reason to fruit.
Yeah there really isn't especially if you get a few nice slants and leave them in the freezer long term. However, without fruiting, you only have the potential for stones.
For the sake of simplicity and stealth, I wanted to come up with an easy way to get a mix of both stones and fruits, even under stealth conditions.
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Re: Scrimshaw's Stealth Sclerotia - Triple S Tek [Re: Scrimshaw]
#21322109 - 02/24/15 10:33 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Im just making a few more transfers to be real clean but Im working on my first stone grow right now, gunna do maybe 50 qts Nice write up!
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Re: Scrimshaw's Stealth Sclerotia - Triple S Tek [Re: mushpunx]
#21323183 - 02/24/15 03:13 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nice. Good luck! 50 quarts 
Are you planning on fruiting them or just going for stones? My last grow for stones was MS and yielded 842g wet and that was off 7 quarts. 50 quarts you're going to be swimming in stones.
I'm amazed at how small the actual mushrooms are compared to the amount of stones they create.
This particular quart of rye that I'm fruiting now was started from sticking a syringe through a stone and then injecting the core into a fresh jar. I wouldn't have expected to have as many fruits started from a cored stone but there have been new pins popping up daily. Cloning from a pin or mushroom tissue would most likely lead to better results.
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Re: Scrimshaw's Stealth Sclerotia - Triple S Tek [Re: Scrimshaw]
#21323232 - 02/24/15 03:24 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well written, Scrimshaw. I like the cut of your jib. 
Just wanted to point out to BUK that fruiting this species is the only way to make sporeprints, which are a trade item in high demand.
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Re: Scrimshaw's Stealth Sclerotia - Triple S Tek [Re: Psilicon]
#21323316 - 02/24/15 03:41 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks van der griegen. That reminds me of something else I have been wondering.
The size of the caps on these things are so small that I can't imagine a print being able to stretch as long as a cube print.
For those that have ordered a spore print in the mexicana family from a vendor, do you just get a single 1-2cm print?
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Re: Scrimshaw's Stealth Sclerotia - Triple S Tek [Re: Scrimshaw]
#21323357 - 02/24/15 03:49 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Scrimshaw said:
For those that have ordered a spore print in the mexicana family from a vendor, do you just get a single 1-2cm print?
yes- a sinlge small print.
You only need two spores to make an unlimited amount of myc.If you can see any amount of spores you probably have a couple hundred/thousands.
also why make 50 jars when you can make 5-10 spawn bags
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Re: Scrimshaw's Stealth Sclerotia - Triple S Tek [Re: bw86]
#21323640 - 02/24/15 04:50 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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I am not a vendor, but when I printed ALT7 I would usually arrange them in little clusters of three. bw is right about not needing very many spores, but nevertheless I don't want people to feel cheated if they're not aware of the fact.
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Re: Scrimshaw's Stealth Sclerotia - Triple S Tek [Re: bw86]
#21326438 - 02/25/15 03:51 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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van der griegen said: Just wanted to point out to BUK that fruiting this species is the only way to make sporeprints, which are a trade item in high demand.
True. That's not very stealth though. In Western Europe there's no need for the amateur community to trade as there are commercial producers still working with sclerotia-bearing strains.
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van der griegen said: also why make 50 jars when you can make 5-10 spawn bags 
I've worked with bags, PP5 and mason jar style quarts and I find the latter more productive. G2G into quart jars I have >95% success (which any mathematician will tell you means more than 50 jars) just with a still air box.
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Re: Scrimshaw's Stealth Sclerotia - Triple S Tek [Re: BUK]
#21326869 - 02/25/15 08:15 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Can't find the thread but read were someone was taking their quart jars at 100% and spawning to coir. Claimed they got way better yields that way. This was not in fruiting conditions , closed tub just to get stones. Any one else tried this? I've got my first stone jars almost 100% and was thinking of trying it.
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Re: Scrimshaw's Stealth Sclerotia - Triple S Tek [Re: boodog420]
#21326885 - 02/25/15 08:21 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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im sure it would work IME spawn bags produce teh most/biggest stones
<<- you dont get those in jars. but im sure spawing in a monotub and never producing fruiting conditions would make some huge stones.
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Re: Scrimshaw's Stealth Sclerotia - Triple S Tek [Re: bw86]
#21327165 - 02/25/15 09:48 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yield might increase going to a sealed mono, but you also open yourself up to a larger contam risk. You also lose the ability to harvest jars on an as needed basis.
I haven't tried it myself, but there are some who harvest the stones out of their jars in a SAB/flowhood and then put the grain back in the jars and get more stones. You could just put this leftover grain to coir in a sealed tub instead. At least this way you know you already have a bunch of stones if the tub fails. Kind of a lower risk alternative to your sealed mono idea.
From a stealth standpoint, I think you have greater flexibility with jars or bags in terms of keeping them hidden. A sealed non-clear tub isn't going to raise any red flags, but it's size limits you in where you can put it, especially in a small house/apt.
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Re: Scrimshaw's Stealth Sclerotia - Triple S Tek [Re: Scrimshaw]
#21327452 - 02/25/15 10:51 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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My jars are all ATL but I put some Jalisco into coir bulk and found them a pain in the ass to clean. The fibres, even though I was using fine coir, got caught up in the stones.
Jars are an investment but they clean up spotless and are reused so easily, and grain is cheap.
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Re: Scrimshaw's Stealth Sclerotia - Triple S Tek [Re: BUK]
#21328166 - 02/25/15 01:33 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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I still can't find that thread. But he was saying you could harvest as needed out of the tub and also would get multiple flushes if you kept the moisture right in the tub. I have no problem hiding tubs so I might just try it with 1 or 2 jar to see how it goes and report back .
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Re: Scrimshaw's Stealth Sclerotia - Triple S Tek [Re: boodog420]
#21338537 - 02/27/15 01:44 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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I just updated the original post with some more fruit pics.
I've been basically ignoring the tub for the past few days and when I checked today, I noticed that all the fruits were leaning towards the light. Some were growing horizontal rather than up. You can see this well in the second to the last pic.
Has anyone else noticed how light sensitive these are? I've never seen pics of cube grows like this. They are acting more like a plant.
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Re: Scrimshaw's Stealth Sclerotia - Triple S Tek [Re: Scrimshaw]
#21338559 - 02/27/15 01:48 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Interesting about light affecting growth like a plant.
As a warning that was mentioned in Stonesun's tek, I don't advise shaking your grain jars. I shook mine and the mycelium looks weak after recovering, and no stone formation after a month. I'm spawning to CVG to see if I'll get some decent fruits and start back over without shaking my grains. In using ATL#7 FYI
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