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pyrojew666
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These look really small for veils to be opening
#21318816 - 02/23/15 04:58 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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This is my 2nd flush of Treasure Coasts that are coming through. The mushrooms are really small compared to the first flush and are starting to break the veil super early. How should i proceed?

The first flush i had some monsters that were around 5-6 inches before they even began opening up. I was hoping to get prints off this 2nd flush, but it is not looking like i will get many prints
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Re: These look really small for veils to be opening [Re: pyrojew666]
#21318830 - 02/23/15 05:00 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Whats your fruiting chamber like? Did you dunk between flushes?
Sometimes too dry or too wet can cause caps to opem prematurely IME
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Re: These look really small for veils to be opening [Re: mushpunx]
#21318870 - 02/23/15 05:12 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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I did dunk for 12 hours after my first flush. The friting chamber is kinda big for the cake. I try to mist every 6-12 hours to make up for the low humidity. I also have a 2nd cake of AA+ in the tub, but those are doing just fine. Those are also on the 2nd flush and coming out large again.
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Re: These look really small for veils to be opening [Re: pyrojew666]
#21318879 - 02/23/15 05:14 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Is it a SGFC built up to spec?
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Re: These look really small for veils to be opening [Re: mushpunx]
#21318887 - 02/23/15 05:15 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Need more FAE. Pretty much all there is to it. Also if this was from MS print it can be common to get some that open early, but usually it is a sign of low fae, and low RH.
The symptoms.
Fuzzy Feet. Long slender stems. Probably hollow stems. Veils breaking early. These are all signs of low Fresh Air Exchange.
Edited by Sockadin (02/23/15 05:17 PM)
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Re: These look really small for veils to be opening [Re: pyrojew666]
#21318892 - 02/23/15 05:16 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Most likely just different genetics growing on your second flush if you used MS.
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Re: These look really small for veils to be opening [Re: T-Funkadelic]
#21318912 - 02/23/15 05:20 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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No, it is not a SGFC
Its a large tub i plan on using once i get more spawn made up to make a mono tub. I do know there is a low humidity. IDK about the low FAE . I have 6 2 inch holes ~2 on the long sides and 1 on the small ones
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Re: These look really small for veils to be opening [Re: pyrojew666]
#21318933 - 02/23/15 05:24 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sometimes shit just happens too! I got those tiny ones with the normal ones in the same flush a while back.
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Re: These look really small for veils to be opening [Re: T-Funkadelic]
#21318937 - 02/23/15 05:24 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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T-Funkadelic said: Most likely just different genetics growing on your second flush if you used MS.
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Re: These look really small for veils to be opening [Re: pyrojew666]
#21318938 - 02/23/15 05:25 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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No, it is not a SGFC
Its a large tub i plan on using once i get more spawn made up to make a mono tub. I do know there is a low humidity. IDK about the low FAE . I have 6 2 inch holes ~2 on the long sides and 1 on the small ones
Yeah a SGFC is ideal, easy to make.I would recommend building one.
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Re: These look really small for veils to be opening [Re: pyrojew666]
#21318948 - 02/23/15 05:27 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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it opens it's veils as it pleases.
probably too much moisture in the substrate. at least adequate air exchange and humidity. over field capacity likely, it's tricky because if you stop misting the fruits may dry out and abort or go to sporulation if they can but yet the substrate has plenty of water in it.
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Re: These look really small for veils to be opening [Re: pyrojew666]
#21318952 - 02/23/15 05:28 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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pyrojew666 said: No, it is not a SGFC
Its a large tub i plan on using once i get more spawn made up to make a mono tub. I do know there is a low humidity. IDK about the low FAE . I have 6 2 inch holes ~2 on the long sides and 1 on the small ones
There is your problem. You will get was better FAE throw a SGFC and proper air currents. It IS NOT GENETIC. If it was genetic it wouldn't happen to all of your fruits. It is a low FAE issue.
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Re: These look really small for veils to be opening [Re: Sockadin]
#21318979 - 02/23/15 05:33 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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most MS grows can be driven to good results. I doubt FAE though, fruits grown in-vitro with only gas exchange don't do that.
  these fruited with a 1/4hole with a SFD over it. nothing beautiful but they're on cakes that were made slightly wet to account for fruiting in-vitro
 these lids.
Id say it's a classic moisture issue
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Re: These look really small for veils to be opening [Re: bodhisatta]
#21319023 - 02/23/15 05:44 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Im with Bod. I had a couple tubs over feild capacity one time , put up tiny pins looked like pine needles. They opened small and with pre mature caps.
They only fattened up once I lightened the tub up some by leaving the lid cracked open and second flush was much better.
Hard to tell if your substrate is too heavy sometimes
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Re: These look really small for veils to be opening [Re: mushpunx]
#21319040 - 02/23/15 05:49 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Even if they are this small, and open up early, will they still drop spores? My main concern at this point is to get as many prints as possible so i can try again at a later date. I used most of the syringe in the several qt jars that have yet to fully colonize
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Re: These look really small for veils to be opening [Re: pyrojew666]
#21319059 - 02/23/15 05:52 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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You might get a third flush
Those might be hard to get spores from
Do you have a PC , you're doing grains I assume you have one.
Make some pasty plates amd either innoculant with a drop of spore solution, piece of mushroom tissue or a colonized grain kernel
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Re: These look really small for veils to be opening [Re: mushpunx]
#21319114 - 02/23/15 06:02 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yes i do have a PC. I am using whole Oats for the spawn. I am currently strapped for cash until my taxes come in, and i can buy some little plates ad agar. (you can use the spores right off a print to start growth on agar right?)
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Re: These look really small for veils to be opening [Re: pyrojew666]
#21319185 - 02/23/15 06:17 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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pyrojew666 said: Yes i do have a PC. I am using whole Oats for the spawn. I am currently strapped for cash until my taxes come in, and i can buy some little plates ad agar. (you can use the spores right off a print to start growth on agar right?)
Yea man thats the best way to get clean innoculant! You can do lots of stuff with it.
If you have an ethnic Asian store you can get agar and with pasty plates you can get away without having to order p itres. Ten bux might get you started maybe 15
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Re: These look really small for veils to be opening [Re: mushpunx]
#21319599 - 02/23/15 08:04 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well I guess I have been overruled. I still disagree, and think you have an FAE problem, but what ever. You can't argue with the masses. Hopefully the next grow goes well for you. I would definitely build a SGFC, this will help your issue.
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Re: These look really small for veils to be opening [Re: Sockadin]
#21319785 - 02/23/15 08:36 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Looks like low FAE to me. Those tiny heads may be low light as well.
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Re: These look really small for veils to be opening [Re: Sockadin]
#21323856 - 02/24/15 05:28 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sockadin said: Well I guess I have been overruled. I still disagree, and think you have an FAE problem, but what ever. You can't argue with the masses. Hopefully the next grow goes well for you. I would definitely build a SGFC, this will help your issue.
haha not overruled. it's just from my experience and yours is different too. but like you said the best bet here is to make a real fruiting chamber that's been proven to work
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Re: These look really small for veils to be opening [Re: bodhisatta]
#21324886 - 02/24/15 08:01 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sorry I was in a bad mood last night. I agree that the best way to great results is proper fruiting chamber.
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Re: These look really small for veils to be opening [Re: Sockadin]
#21325016 - 02/24/15 08:23 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sockadin said: Need more FAE. Pretty much all there is to it. Also if this was from MS print it can be common to get some that open early, but usually it is a sign of low fae, and low RH.
The symptoms.
Fuzzy Feet. Long slender stems. Probably hollow stems. Veils breaking early. These are all signs of low Fresh Air Exchange.
Well shit wish someone would have told me that the first time around. But ohwell I got a GH now with a humidifier, so I wont have any worries with that, and hopefully I can get some nice meaty monsters from it
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