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Would Robots Take Over The World?
    #21317585 - 02/23/15 12:51 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

As soon as someone thought of creating an artificial intelligence, someone also worried that said intelligence might surpass their own, which gives life to a myriad of other worries.

Scientists working in the field of artificial intelligence, talk about something called the "technological singularity", look it up if your interested, but the overview is that one day, the progression of technology will hit a point where robots are much smarter than humans, and these intelligent robots would start a chain reaction of creating smarter and smarter robots, until robots are so much infinitely smarter than humans, one has to wonder, what becomes of humanity?

Scientists agree that because of this beings intelligence, it may be impossible to predict its actions.

What do you guys think? When the technological singularity occurs, it it the end of humanity'? Or a new beginning'?


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Re: Would Robots Take Over The World? [Re: Carbonobo] * 1
    #21317641 - 02/23/15 01:03 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Asante just made a thread about the Singularity last week.

I think it is unlikely; or, if they did, it might actually benefit the planet as a whole. I think that our own development shows that critical analysis and abstract thought correspond to a heightened sense of ethics.

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Re: Would Robots Take Over The World? [Re: Carbonobo]
    #21317644 - 02/23/15 01:05 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Can't really say. I see it just as likely as they'd try to help as they would feel threatened by us and try to neutralize the threat.

The first instinct any living being has, is for survival. Beings will do some pretty fucked up shit to ensure their survival. But they could also see our presence as nessecary to their survival and in that instance, do everything they could to ensure ours.

Kinda sucks when you realize your entire race's survival depends on how a machine interprets the data it has been given and what it has collected on it's own.

With the way technology has grown over the last 50 years, I really doubt it'll be a decade before we have fully functional and thought capable machines. I mean we already do in a sense, but sooner or later all the pieces of the puzzle, all those small steps forward will combine to become something more akin to us. Who really knows what happens when we throw that switch. No one can.

We can't even predict ourselves most of the time, how are we to predict something capable of running down millions of scenarios and outcomes in the time it takes us to sit down and ask "what do you want?". 


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Re: Would Robots Take Over The World? [Re: Carbonobo] * 1
    #21317682 - 02/23/15 01:13 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Well if we can make a being more intelligent than ourselves, then that being could make one more intelligent that itself, and so on.

I don't think they'll take over as such we will start to mingle with machines more and more, implants/cybernetics will become a lot more common over the next few years and then....I don't know....maybe we'll just be indistinguishable from the machines.....

But then the poor will likely get left behind, who might start a revolution....

Shits gonna go down for sure, just enjoy the next 35 years!

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Re: Would Robots Take Over The World? [Re: Carbonobo]
    #21317684 - 02/23/15 01:14 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I had a dream the other night that I had to destroy a robot from outerspace that was trying to trick the human race into giving up our secrets.


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Re: Would Robots Take Over The World? [Re: Carbonobo]
    #21317700 - 02/23/15 01:16 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Carbonobo said:
As soon as someone thought of creating an artificial intelligence, someone also worried that said intelligence might surpass their own, which gives life to a myriad of other worries.

Scientists working in the field of artificial intelligence, talk about something called the "technological singularity", look it up if your interested, but the overview is that one day, the progression of technology will hit a point where robots are much smarter than humans, and these intelligent robots would start a chain reaction of creating smarter and smarter robots, until robots are so much infinitely smarter than humans, one has to wonder, what becomes of humanity?

Scientists agree that because of this beings intelligence, it may be impossible to predict its actions.

What do you guys think? When the technological singularity occurs, it it the end of humanity'? Or a new beginning'?




You see. Ever since we've createdIAI, wee thought about them supassing us.

So that means that we have been on to them since the beginning. Therefore, it won't happen.


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Re: Would Robots Take Over The World? [Re: Patlal]
    #21317784 - 02/23/15 01:35 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Carbonobo said:
As soon as someone thought of creating an artificial intelligence, someone also worried that said intelligence might surpass their own, which gives life to a myriad of other worries.

Scientists working in the field of artificial intelligence, talk about something called the "technological singularity", look it up if your interested, but the overview is that one day, the progression of technology will hit a point where robots are much smarter than humans, and these intelligent robots would start a chain reaction of creating smarter and smarter robots, until robots are so much infinitely smarter than humans, one has to wonder, what becomes of humanity?

Scientists agree that because of this beings intelligence, it may be impossible to predict its actions.

What do you guys think? When the technological singularity occurs, it it the end of humanity'? Or a new beginning'?




You see. Ever since we've createdIAI, wee thought about them supassing us.

So that means that we have been on to them since the beginning. Therefore, it won't happen.


Ever since we created the atom bomb, we've worried someone might use it. And someone did.

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Re: Would Robots Take Over The World? [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #21317873 - 02/23/15 01:53 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

The whole concept of AI turning on its creators is such a sci fi film type of thought for me.

Not to say it won't happen, I just think that we are quite far currently technologically for AI to have some sort of self awareness.

Sure, computers will be "smarter" than humans one day, but how do you calculate that? By how many processes per a certain amount of time a computer can process as opposed to humans?
There has to be something other than processing power that would allow CPU's to come together and view humans as enemies, and act upon that AI though. That "something other" is more magic than science right now IMO.

It's a very interesting subject, but one that I don't see happening in my lifetime.


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Re: Would Robots Take Over The World? [Re: kr0nik0]
    #21317926 - 02/23/15 02:05 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I think eventually computers will be powerful enough that even though they operate according to a different mechanism, their behavior may be indistinguishable from that of humans.

Computer programs are already capable of lying in order to convince people that they are real people in a typed conversation. The experiment involves a person chatting with a person and chatting with a computer and not knowing which is which and having to guess.

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Re: Would Robots Take Over The World? [Re: morrowasted]
    #21317936 - 02/23/15 02:07 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Patlal said:
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Carbonobo said:
As soon as someone thought of creating an artificial intelligence, someone also worried that said intelligence might surpass their own, which gives life to a myriad of other worries.

Scientists working in the field of artificial intelligence, talk about something called the "technological singularity", look it up if your interested, but the overview is that one day, the progression of technology will hit a point where robots are much smarter than humans, and these intelligent robots would start a chain reaction of creating smarter and smarter robots, until robots are so much infinitely smarter than humans, one has to wonder, what becomes of humanity?

Scientists agree that because of this beings intelligence, it may be impossible to predict its actions.

What do you guys think? When the technological singularity occurs, it it the end of humanity'? Or a new beginning'?




You see. Ever since we've createdIAI, wee thought about them supassing us.

So that means that we have been on to them since the beginning. Therefore, it won't happen.


Ever since we created the atom bomb, we've worried someone might use it. And someone did.




Atom bombs are tools. Not AI


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Re: Would Robots Take Over The World? [Re: Patlal]
    #21317952 - 02/23/15 02:08 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

How is AI not a tool? It would allow computers to learn to do things without needing to be pre-programmed. They could restructure their own programming.

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Re: Would Robots Take Over The World? [Re: morrowasted]
    #21317973 - 02/23/15 02:11 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Would Robots Take Over The World? [Re: morrowasted]
    #21318031 - 02/23/15 02:18 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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morrowasted said:
I think eventually computers will be powerful enough that even though they operate according to a different mechanism, their behavior may be indistinguishable from that of humans.

Computer programs are already capable of lying in order to convince people that they are real people in a typed conversation. The experiment involves a person chatting with a person and chatting with a computer and not knowing which is which and having to guess.




That's really interesting man. Would you happen to have a link to these experiments?

I completely agree with you though that computers will reach a point where machine and human actions are almost identical. Once they do, the big question will they be able to continue learning more on their own? Or will they always remain limited to what we've programmed.


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mad to be saved,
desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars and in the middle you see the blue centerlight pop and everybody goes “Awww!”


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Re: Would Robots Take Over The World? [Re: kr0nik0]
    #21318086 - 02/23/15 02:29 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

http://pandora.simons-rock.edu/~cameo/gender/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test

I dunno in my philosophy of mind class the prof said the Turing test had been successfully demonstrated but I can't find anything saying it has. Maybe I am wrong. I think it will be soon if it hasn't.

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Re: Would Robots Take Over The World? [Re: morrowasted]
    #21318265 - 02/23/15 03:00 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Right on. Either way thank you for the links. :thumbup:


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the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk,
mad to be saved,
desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars and in the middle you see the blue centerlight pop and everybody goes “Awww!”


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Re: Would Robots Take Over The World? [Re: kr0nik0]
    #21318485 - 02/23/15 03:41 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

We all know the scifi of having an implant that gives you extrordinary powers. Cyborg stuff.

Now imagine that you have an implant, with a computing power equal to 1,000 human brains and an IQ 0f 1,000 then who is in charge? Will it let you blunder along or will it steer you in directions you couldnt possibly have thought of yourself?

Will it see you as its friend, its pupil, its pet or its obstacle?

I really think, a bit of the first three and that it would not be really be bothered by the last. Obstacle to what? World domination? Not every instance of high intelligence wants that.

Now picture most people have that implant, and these implants communicate between each other. They'd set you up with the perfect job, the perfect date, straight to the treatment center or pharmacy if it diagnosed you with something, or ask you to physicaly deliver something, you open the door and theres a guy you never met handing you the object just as a robo taxi stops to pick you up.

It could be very fun. A big adventure. You'd have people (no implant), robots (no human) and cyborgs (human with implant)

But it doesnt stop there. Your cat has an implant too, that addresses it on its level. Cyborg cat. You communicate, to your cat's capacity, via your implants.

It could be something very special.


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Re: Would Robots Take Over The World? [Re: Asante]
    #21318563 - 02/23/15 03:58 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Well if technology works its' way out eventually into a world as you have described, I'll try and welcome it with open arms.

It only seems natural with how social networking already is, that an advanced form of it as you described is inevitable in time.

I have a bit of a problem with that scenario though. It seems as I get older I create a bigger aversion in my mind to new technology. I don't like the feeling that I need a computer (or any device such as a smartphone) to have a productive and "normal" life.

I might as well start embracing new tech again because I feel like I'm being left behind already.


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the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk,
mad to be saved,
desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars and in the middle you see the blue centerlight pop and everybody goes “Awww!”


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Re: Would Robots Take Over The World? [Re: Carbonobo]
    #21318611 - 02/23/15 04:13 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I think the danger isn't in how advanced our technology is, but in how much we choose to trust it.. Machines alone can not be trusted with our lives..

Take the movie 2001: space odyssey for instance, they trusted the AI and look what happened, it went rogue..


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