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What is a reliable source of information for Changa?
    #21306759 - 02/21/15 03:00 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I've gotten some Changa and I want to smoke it. Although I've done my research, I don't feel I've done enough research about it yet. Mainly because I could barely find any reliable info. Surprisingly there isn't much usefull info on erowid or drugsforum. Does anyone know any good website, I want to clarify any health risks. I'm looking for some 'official' information but can't find any. I've read dmt-nexus' wiki. Any other good ones?


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Re: What is a reliable source of information for Changa? [Re: Ego Trip]
    #21310580 - 02/21/15 08:18 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

DmT nexus is the best, or post your questions on here.

Erowid sucks, drugs forum is more for hard drugs.

What health effects are you looking for? Changa is leaf enhanced with DMT and an MAOI.

MAOI is dangerous to mix with certain anti depressant or drugs. Especially SSRI anti depressants.


DMT itself is pretty harmless but MAOI can have bad interactions.


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Re: What is a reliable source of information for Changa? [Re: mushpunx]
    #21311906 - 02/22/15 07:30 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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DmT nexus is the best, or post your questions on here.

Erowid sucks, drugs forum is more for hard drugs.

What health effects are you looking for? Changa is leaf enhanced with DMT and an MAOI.

MAOI is dangerous to mix with certain anti depressant or drugs. Especially SSRI anti depressants.


DMT itself is pretty harmless but MAOI can have bad interactions.


What do you need to know




There is'nt really anything in particular. I was just surprised there isn't much info about it as there is for DMT freebase.
Erowid sucks? HELL NO brother Erowid's the best! Drugs forum covers any type of drugs, they have an official page with all the info on most of the drugs which I really like.


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Re: What is a reliable source of information for Changa? [Re: Ego Trip]
    #21312546 - 02/22/15 11:24 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I dunno man Ive been using erowid over 15 years it seems. A LOT of the info is shady, a lot is out dated. Follow a tek for growing mushrooms from erowid and see wgat happens haha. I prefer Wikipedia these days

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Re: What is a reliable source of information for Changa? [Re: mushpunx]
    #21312667 - 02/22/15 11:52 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Changa is as safe as the substances used to produce it. You're guessing at best unless you extracted the molecule and made the changa yourself.  What are your specific concerns?


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Re: What is a reliable source of information for Changa? [Re: SynKyd]
    #21313359 - 02/22/15 02:17 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Changa is as safe as the substances used to produce it. You're guessing at best unless you extracted the molecule and made the changa yourself.  What are your specific concerns?



I can smell the DMT in it. I also do my reaserch before taking any drugs to make sure they could not be harmfull etc. For example you forgot to mention that it is dangerous to mix Changa (MAIOs) with anti depressants like MDMA.

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I dunno man Ive been using erowid over 15 years it seems. A LOT of the info is shady, a lot is out dated. Follow a tek for growing mushrooms from erowid and see wgat happens haha. I prefer Wikipedia these days

Did you make your own changa?




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Re: What is a reliable source of information for Changa? [Re: Ego Trip]
    #21313635 - 02/22/15 03:40 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Changa is as safe as the substances used to produce it. You're guessing at best unless you extracted the molecule and made the changa yourself.  What are your specific concerns?



I can smell the DMT in it. I also do my reaserch before taking any drugs to make sure they could not be harmfull etc. For example you forgot to mention that it is dangerous to mix Changa (MAIOs) with anti depressants like MDMA.

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I dunno man Ive been using erowid over 15 years it seems. A LOT of the info is shady, a lot is out dated. Follow a tek for growing mushrooms from erowid and see wgat happens haha. I prefer Wikipedia these days

Did you make your own changa?




No I bought it.





1. MDMA is not classified as anti depressant.

2. No, read my post ... here's an excerpt

"MAOI is dangerous to mix with certain anti depressant or drugs. Especially SSRI anti depressants.


DMT itself is pretty harmless but MAOI can have bad interactions."


  I think there probably is plenty of reliable information out there but maybe you are just skimming through it? He probably forgot to mention it because he just saw I did.


Changa is a blend of smoking herbs, sometimes with thier own minimal effects but usually are pretty benign, just a pleasant smoking leaf.. sometimes with herbs that might have good synergy with DMT. Fir example I *think* passion flower is a mild MAOI.

Sometimes the plant material is Caapi vine but usually it is extracted haramala/h armaline free base alkaloids. That is what I use.
You dissolve the DMT/Harmaline in your ratio into hot solvent and infuse your leaf with it, then let it dry.


Since you didnt mAke your chAnga, you would have to ask what is in it and at what ratio the DMT and MAOIs. are mixed. Otherwise you are just guessing.

There is also enhanced leaf, which is smoking leaf infused with DMT.
Its just easier to smoke.
You might even have enhanced lead being passed as Changa fir all you know.



Im sure you can smell the DMT in it. But you dont know at what ratio to leaf it was added in at. And you dont know what type and how much, or at what ratio the MAOI is present. You will have to start out with very small hits to test it.


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Re: What is a reliable source of information for Changa? [Re: mushpunx]
    #21314047 - 02/22/15 05:37 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Changa is as safe as the substances used to produce it. You're guessing at best unless you extracted the molecule and made the changa yourself.  What are your specific concerns?



I can smell the DMT in it. I also do my reaserch before taking any drugs to make sure they could not be harmfull etc. For example you forgot to mention that it is dangerous to mix Changa (MAIOs) with anti depressants like MDMA.

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I dunno man Ive been using erowid over 15 years it seems. A LOT of the info is shady, a lot is out dated. Follow a tek for growing mushrooms from erowid and see wgat happens haha. I prefer Wikipedia these days

Did you make your own changa?




No I bought it.





1. MDMA is not classified as anti depressant.

2. No, read my post ... here's an excerpt

"MAOI is dangerous to mix with certain anti depressant or drugs. Especially SSRI anti depressants.


DMT itself is pretty harmless but MAOI can have bad interactions."


  I think there probably is plenty of reliable information out there but maybe you are just skimming through it? He probably forgot to mention it because he just saw I did.


Changa is a blend of smoking herbs, sometimes with thier own minimal effects but usually are pretty benign, just a pleasant smoking leaf.. sometimes with herbs that might have good synergy with DMT. Fir example I *think* passion flower is a mild MAOI.

Sometimes the plant material is Caapi vine but usually it is extracted haramala/h armaline free base alkaloids. That is what I use.
You dissolve the DMT/Harmaline in your ratio into hot solvent and infuse your leaf with it, then let it dry.


Since you didnt mAke your chAnga, you would have to ask what is in it and at what ratio the DMT and MAOIs. are mixed. Otherwise you are just guessing.

There is also enhanced leaf, which is smoking leaf infused with DMT.
Its just easier to smoke.
You might even have enhanced lead being passed as Changa fir all you know.



Im sure you can smell the DMT in it. But you dont know at what ratio to leaf it was added in at. And you dont know what type and how much, or at what ratio the MAOI is present. You will have to start out with very small hits to test it.




My bad, also my dealer said it has 40% DMT.


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Re: What is a reliable source of information for Changa? [Re: Ego Trip]
    #21314226 - 02/22/15 06:12 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Did he say it is made with MAOI or is it enhanced leaf. Enhanced leaf has no interaction with anything that DMT wouldn't.

40% would mean that one point would be 40mg DMT I think


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Re: What is a reliable source of information for Changa? [Re: Ego Trip]
    #21314416 - 02/22/15 06:49 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Changa is as safe as the substances used to produce it. You're guessing at best unless you extracted the molecule and made the changa yourself.  What are your specific concerns?



I can smell the DMT in it. I also do my reaserch before taking any drugs to make sure they could not be harmfull etc. For example you forgot to mention that it is dangerous to mix Changa (MAIOs) with anti depressants like MDMA.

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I dunno man Ive been using erowid over 15 years it seems. A LOT of the info is shady, a lot is out dated. Follow a tek for growing mushrooms from erowid and see wgat happens haha. I prefer Wikipedia these days

Did you make your own changa?




No I bought it.




Because you don't know for certain what's in your supposed changa, there's no reason for me to speculate that your dealing with a MAOI. That's my point. Seems you should continue researching. If you have concerns for your health then your only conclusion should be to take control of the situation and produce your own, so that you know exactly what is in it.  :cheers:


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Re: What is a reliable source of information for Changa? [Re: mushpunx]
    #21314474 - 02/22/15 06:58 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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DMT itself is pretty harmless but MAOI can have bad interactions.







I don't agree that this is a good message to share, mushpunx.  There have been serious illnesses, injuries, and deaths related to its use.  Although rare, they do happen.

Here is a recent example, there are many more at the nexus health and safety section. 

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Re: What is a reliable source of information for Changa? [Re: SynKyd]
    #21314562 - 02/22/15 07:18 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Well, when I say pretty harmless I mean it has a pretty good safety profile, same as mushrooms and LSD.

Complications, interactions, pre existing medical conditions etc always are a risk with drug use.

Overdose on DMT resulting in death is pretty non-existent yea?

I say it its pretty safe, compared to most illicit drugs.


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Re: What is a reliable source of information for Changa? [Re: mushpunx]
    #21314657 - 02/22/15 07:44 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Well, when I say pretty harmless I mean it has a pretty good safety profile, same as mushrooms and LSD.

Complications, interactions, pre existing medical conditions etc always are a risk with drug use.

Overdose on DMT resulting in death is pretty non-existent yea?

I say it its pretty safe, compared to most illicit drugs.



It is safer than many drugs, from a physical health perspective, indeed.  If you are getting something that "smells like DMT" from a dealer, who knows.  I err on the side of caution, it could be anything.


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Re: What is a reliable source of information for Changa? [Re: SynKyd]
    #21314729 - 02/22/15 07:59 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Well, when I say pretty harmless I mean it has a pretty good safety profile, same as mushrooms and LSD.

Complications, interactions, pre existing medical conditions etc always are a risk with drug use.

Overdose on DMT resulting in death is pretty non-existent yea?

I say it its pretty safe, compared to most illicit drugs.



It is safer than many drugs, from a physical health perspective, indeed.  If you are getting something that "smells like DMT" from a dealer, who knows.  I err on the side of caution, it could be anything.




Axtually, at W algreens they sell a drug tester, to test powder drugs. To my surprise it had DMT on the list of powders it will test.

DMT has a pretty distinct smell amd I doubt someone would fake changa, it's a weird thIng to do but stranger things happen. Maybe look into that test :shrug:


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Re: What is a reliable source of information for Changa? [Re: mushpunx]
    #21316197 - 02/23/15 06:49 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Well, when I say pretty harmless I mean it has a pretty good safety profile, same as mushrooms and LSD.

Complications, interactions, pre existing medical conditions etc always are a risk with drug use.

Overdose on DMT resulting in death is pretty non-existent yea?

I say it its pretty safe, compared to most illicit drugs.



It is safer than many drugs, from a physical health perspective, indeed.  If you are getting something that "smells like DMT" from a dealer, who knows.  I err on the side of caution, it could be anything.




Axtually, at W algreens they sell a drug tester, to test powder drugs. To my surprise it had DMT on the list of powders it will test.

DMT has a pretty distinct smell amd I doubt someone would fake changa, it's a weird thIng to do but stranger things happen. Maybe look into that test :shrug:




It could test positive and still contain other harmful chemicals, depending on how clean the material is from the extraction processes it has been through.


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Re: What is a reliable source of information for Changa? [Re: mushpunx]
    #21316330 - 02/23/15 07:49 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Did he say it is made with MAOI or is it enhanced leaf. Enhanced leaf has no interaction with anything that DMT wouldn't.

40% would mean that one point would be 40mg DMT I think




Isn't DMT a mix of 'DMT + other MAIO herbs' so it's obvious it has MAIOs?
He said there is mainly baanisteriopsis caapi in the leaf and it is dosed with 40%. So 1g would have 400mg DMT.


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    #21316354 - 02/23/15 07:58 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

http://www.articulationsbook.com/

The guy who wrote this book is on www.dmt-nexus.me , he claims to be "the father of changa"

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    #21316810 - 02/23/15 10:10 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Did he say it is made with MAOI or is it enhanced leaf. Enhanced leaf has no interaction with anything that DMT wouldn't.

40% would mean that one point would be 40mg DMT I think




Isn't DMT a mix of 'DMT + other MAIO herbs' so it's obvious it has MAIOs?
He said there is mainly baanisteriopsis caapi in the leaf and it is dosed with 40%. So 1g would have 400mg DMT.





Are you doing any research at all? Dud you read ANYTHING I wrote all the way through?


Ive explained all this already. Im not going to quote my own post again.

DMT...(for smoking) is a pile of crystals that you can free base

Enhanced Leaf- a blend of smoking herbs infused with DMT but no MAOI

Changa- a blend of smoking herbs, DMT and either extracted harmaline (an MAOI) or caaapi vine

The MAOI is added to make it last longer/activate it at lower doses.



So since your changa has caapi vine in it, it has a source of M A O I (you keep getting the letters backwards).



Dude Im really not trying to sound like a dick but this is th second time you've asked a question I've already answered for you


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    #21316854 - 02/23/15 10:17 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)



Here's photos of DMT in free base form, Changa, and enhanced leaf.




Synsterkid- yea right on man. I've never bought DMT its easy enough to do an extraction and I know what Im getting.

Im a former heroin addict, im pretty used to "well it has *some* dope in it right? Ok in the vein" heh


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Did he say it is made with MAOI or is it enhanced leaf. Enhanced leaf has no interaction with anything that DMT wouldn't.

40% would mean that one point would be 40mg DMT I think




Isn't DMT a mix of 'DMT + other MAIO herbs' so it's obvious it has MAIOs?
He said there is mainly baanisteriopsis caapi in the leaf and it is dosed with 40%. So 1g would have 400mg DMT.





Are you doing any research at all? Dud you read ANYTHING I wrote all the way through?


Ive explained all this already. Im not going to quote my own post again.

DMT...(for smoking) is a pile of crystals that you can free base

Enhanced Leaf- a blend of smoking herbs infused with DMT but no MAOI

Changa- a blend of smoking herbs, DMT and either extracted harmaline (an MAOI) or caaapi vine

The MAOI is added to make it last longer/activate it at lower doses.



So since your changa has caapi vine in it, it has a source of M A O I (you keep getting the letters backwards).



Dude Im really not trying to sound like a dick but this is th second time you've asked a question I've already answered for you



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