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Two House Bills Would End Federal Prohibition Of Marijuana * 3
    #21306002 - 02/20/15 08:49 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

"Two congressmen filed separate House bills on Friday that together would legalize, regulate and tax marijuana at the federal level, effectively ending the U.S. government's decadeslong prohibition of the plant.

Rep. Jared Polis (D-Colo.) introduced the Regulate Marijuana Like Alcohol Act, which would remove marijuana from the Controlled Substances Act's schedules, transfer oversight of the substance from the Drug Enforcement Administration over to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, and regulate marijuana in a way similar to how alcohol is currently regulated in the U.S.

Rep. Earl Blumenauer (D-Ore.) introduced the Marijuana Tax Revenue Act, which would set up a federal excise tax for regulated marijuana.

The bills would not force states to legalize marijuana, but a federal regulatory framework would be in place for those states that do decide to legalize it. To date, four states and the District of Columbia have legalized recreational marijuana (however, D.C.'s model continues to ban sales), 23 states have legalized marijuana for medical purposes and 11 other states have legalized the limited use of low-THC forms of marijuana for medical use.

"While President Obama and the Justice Department have allowed the will of voters in states like Colorado and 22 other jurisdictions to move forward, small business owners, medical marijuana patients, and others who follow state laws still live with the fear that a new administration -- or this one -- could reverse course and turn them into criminals," Polis said in a statement Friday. "It is time for us to replace the failed prohibition with a regulatory system that works and let states and municipalities decide for themselves if they want, or don't want, to have legal marijuana within their borders."

Despite the programs currently in place in Colorado and Washington state -- as well as those that will soon go into effect in Oregon, Alaska and D.C. -- the sale, possession, production and distribution of marijuana all remain illegal under federal law. The states that have legalized marijuana or softened penalties for possession have only been able to do so because of federal guidance urging prosecutors to refrain from targeting state-legal marijuana operations.

With marijuana legalization supported by a majority of Americans, and a new wave of states considering loosening their marijuana laws over the next several years, it seems unlikely that the federal government would push back against the popular movement. But it's not completely out of the realm of possibility.

Harvard economist Jeff Miron, a vocal supporter of marijuana policy reform, highlighted the precarious nature of state marijuana laws in a recent op-ed for CNN on why Congress needs to act now on federal marijuana policy.

"Despite the compelling case for legalization, and progress toward legalization at the state level, ultimate success is not assured," Miron wrote. "Federal law still prohibits marijuana, and existing jurisprudence (Gonzales v. Raich 2005) holds that federal law trumps state law when it comes to marijuana prohibition. So far, the federal government has mostly taken a hands-off approach to state medicalizations and legalizations, but in January 2017, the country will have a new president. That person could order the attorney general to enforce federal prohibition regardless of state law."

On Friday, Blumenauer called the federal prohibition of marijuana "a failure" that has wasted tax dollars and ruined lives. He also said it's time for the government to forge a new path ahead for the plant.

"As more states move to legalize marijuana as Oregon, Colorado, Washington and Alaska have done," Blumenauer said, "it's imperative the federal government become a full partner in building a workable and safe framework."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/20/marijuana-legalization-congress_n_6722686.html

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Re: Two House Bills Would End Federal Prohibition Of Marijuana [Re: misterogerz]
    #21306364 - 02/20/15 10:31 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

J dont think it will fall through.


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Re: Two House Bills Would End Federal Prohibition Of Marijuana [Re: whitelights]
    #21306421 - 02/20/15 10:50 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Every president tries to make a legacy.


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Re: Two House Bills Would End Federal Prohibition Of Marijuana [Re: Stargate]
    #21306903 - 02/21/15 05:31 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

The bills will get kicked from one committee to the next and eventually die out.  It's what usually happens at the state and federal level with these kinds of bills.  Historically I think a party has controlled the house, the senate and the White House all at the same time about 4 times.  There was a study done a while back asking why americans vote in a president but then don't vote in a congress that fully backs him.  So that's some good news if the Repubs when in 2016, maybe the Dems will take back the house and senate.  OF course even then there's no stopping a Repub president from vetoing (unless the dems have enough votes in congress to over ride it), or even trying to use executive actions to enforce the current MJ laws on the books.


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Re: Two House Bills Would End Federal Prohibition Of Marijuana [Re: MrGiraffe]
    #21307215 - 02/21/15 08:39 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

It's a psychological game as much as a legal one.  Some person can write anything you want on a piece of paper.  It only matters if people believe in it as law.

Already the power of the federal government is weakening.  You have states that are openly challenging federal firearm and immigration laws in addition to drug laws. Additionally, more and more individuals are coming to see the federal government as corrupt and self serving.  Without people that believe in it's power, it doesn't have real power.

The Feds could conceivably try to reverse state marijuana laws, but I feel like it could push our country dangerously close to civil war.  States could say no and attempt to arrest federal prohibition agents.  (This isn't far fetched either.  It has already been threatened over firearms laws.)  National guards could face off against federal agents.  The military could be pressed into domestic maneuvering as a show of force.  The military is composed of human beings that could question their loyalty and the justness of using military force to impose federal control on an unwilling populace.  The military could conceivably fragment over the issue of individual and states rights.  Which side is the side that is really fighting for American values like freedom and liberty?  Who serves the real United States?  The side that serves states standing united against an outside force, or the side trying to impose control over all states?

Individually, more and more people oppose the direction of the federal government.  Taxes, excessive regulation, immigration, Obamacare, domestic spying, gun control, the war on drugs.  Many, many of the movers and thinkers in this world are questioning the federal government.  From legitimate business owners to underworld drug dealers, from hard working men and women to free spirited drug users, people are realizing that they share a common enemy.  Any attempt to reverse legalization would only strengthen those that oppose excessive federal control.

It could easily get to the point where people just don't care what the law says.  You could grow a few plants on your back deck and your neighbors would look the other way because they also had grown tired of government bullshit.  One might be stockpiling guns and supplies, another might be evading taxes.  Another might have lost his healthcare or job. The ones that still care might realize that the local police don't.  And even if they did, you wouldn't find 12 people that would actually convict someone.

They could say they want to stop legalization and concoct any laws they want.  I'm just not sure they could actually stop it.


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Re: Two House Bills Would End Federal Prohibition Of Marijuana [Re: AllGreyThumbs]
    #21307497 - 02/21/15 09:58 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Snowball's chance in hell

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Re: Two House Bills Would End Federal Prohibition Of Marijuana [Re: Konyap]
    #21307941 - 02/21/15 11:32 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Illyabo said:
Snowball's chance in hell



I hope.


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Re: Two House Bills Would End Federal Prohibition Of Marijuana [Re: Matt87]
    #21308210 - 02/21/15 12:48 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

justwhat we need the atf being more powerful.

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Re: Two House Bills Would End Federal Prohibition Of Marijuana [Re: justdatshit] * 1
    #21308351 - 02/21/15 01:18 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

My main concern is just taking it off the federal scheduled drug list and getting them to stop arresting people for it. I could care less as to if/when/how long until there are established retail suppliers everywhere because I will grow my own unless I want to try something new occasionally before growing that. Hopefully they spread the word in some mainstream way after all the paperwork is finalized so people stop concerning themselves with arresting people for growing. I'm sure they will also establish a seed bank and other various things later on like other online vendors and such. People should have the right to grow on their property and not be arrested anywhere in America or the rest of the world.
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Re: Two House Bills Would End Federal Prohibition Of Marijuana [Re: misterogerz]
    #21308877 - 02/21/15 03:14 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

It's hard to get re-elected for being "soft on drug addicts" and "not thinking of our community and children" "the scourge of drugs is evil" <----- all great political ammo to smoke your opponent.  The government always tries to say anyone who uses drugs is an addict, it's funny.


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Re: Two House Bills Would End Federal Prohibition Of Marijuana [Re: Cognitive_Shift] * 1
    #21309040 - 02/21/15 04:04 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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It's hard to get re-elected for being "soft on drug addicts" and "not thinking of our community and children" "the scourge of drugs is evil" <----- all great political ammo to smoke your opponent.  The government always tries to say anyone who uses drugs is an addict, it's funny.





What the hell are you talking about?

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Re: Two House Bills Would End Federal Prohibition Of Marijuana [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #21309089 - 02/21/15 04:18 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

With that conservative bunch of bible thumping fear mongers?  These bills go nowhere.


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Re: Two House Bills Would End Federal Prohibition Of Marijuana [Re: vandago]
    #21309304 - 02/21/15 04:40 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

The reason drugs were made illegal across the board in 1970 was because political dissidents were using them, now drugs are used by the popular culture not just political dissidents.  In order to make weed legal again federally you have to climb up hill politically with snipers all around you.  Facts don't always change things in washington, what gets you reelected does.

That is what i'm talking about.


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Re: Two House Bills Would End Federal Prohibition Of Marijuana [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #21309440 - 02/21/15 04:47 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

As long as the tobacco, alcohol, prescription drug and prison industries oppose decriminalization it remains a crime.  If you want to change drug policy in this country, you don't need snipers, you need to take the money out of politics.


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Re: Two House Bills Would End Federal Prohibition Of Marijuana [Re: fbi365]
    #21309481 - 02/21/15 04:49 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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you need to take the money out of politics.



Never gonna happen:shrug:


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Re: Two House Bills Would End Federal Prohibition Of Marijuana [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #21309770 - 02/21/15 05:50 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

LOL, I saw that meme on facebook today too.  "Let's take the money out of politics"


These political memes with no factual backing, made by some debate team member in highschool, are all I hear people repeating these days.  I had to block, "the mind unleashed" "cop block" and like 15 other anti news sources that were so riddled with idiotic statements, they actually would infuriate me when I'd wake up to check my messages.  Ain't no one got time to fill their brain with delusional bullshit that will never happen.  Let's focus on what we can actually do.


"94% of politicians who earned the most money, WIN, let's take the money out of politics"

And while you are at it, let's just have 24/7 free ice cream, sprinkled with the cure for cancer.

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Re: Two House Bills Would End Federal Prohibition Of Marijuana [Re: vandago]
    #21311027 - 02/21/15 09:33 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

It's about time for this. I mean over half of the public believes cannabis (in some form or another) should be legal and over half the states have some type of cannabis initiative in place; I personally believe it's long over due. Once these bills are signed into law it will be only a matter of time until psychedelics for medical use and eventually for responsible adult use will come into the debate. I remember Obama said he would reform cannabis policy when he ran initially in 2008 and he hasn't even really done any more than just ignore the situation.


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Re: Two House Bills Would End Federal Prohibition Of Marijuana [Re: DottoreWolfe]
    #21311840 - 02/22/15 06:29 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Well I suppose it'd be somewhat like Cognitive Shift said, if anything were going to happen it would be the second term after he can't be re-elected. :shrug:

Edited by misterogerz (02/22/15 06:42 AM)

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