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Fodo
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Sandwich Tech
#21307044 - 02/21/15 07:22 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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I did this just for some fun while waiting for my bulk substrate to colonize.
First I mixed up this concoction:
1.Place in a pot: 2 litres water 1/2 cup cooked rye berries 2 Tablespoons Aramith Flour 2 Tablespoons Brown Rice Flour 2 Tablespoons Potato Flour 2 Tablespoons Honey 2 Tablespoons Light Malt Extract 2 Tablespoons Brown Sugar 2 Tablespoons Agar Powder 1 teaspoon salt
2.Bring to a simmer while whisking constantly, turn off burner. 3.Place the mix in a blender and blend until smooth, (may take 2 or 3 blender loads). 4.Put the mix back into the pot and bring to a simmer once more to ensure all of the ingredients are evenly mixed.
Then I poured about 500 ml of the mix into 4 takeout trays and let it cool. I had a fully colonized quart jar of AA+ on rye berries hanging around, so I crumbled it onto the gelled mix in the tray and then cased it with 50/50 peat and vermiculite. Covered it with a lid and waited.
Here is the result:
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Re: Sandwich Tech [Re: Fodo]
#21307054 - 02/21/15 07:26 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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thats cool. I like that you're experimenting.I like to find less expensive ways of doing something. all those ingredients look expensive. I would rather eat them myself.But anyway good job.
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Re: Sandwich Tech [Re: Fodo]
#21307057 - 02/21/15 07:26 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Wow, I was searching for "PC" or "sterilize in yout text but: holy shit, fun times  Congrats
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Re: Sandwich Tech [Re: psyder]
#21307516 - 02/21/15 10:00 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Wow, nice job. I don't know how you pulled that one off, but I'm impressed. What happened to the other three trays?
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Re: Sandwich Tech [Re: Psilicon]
#21307903 - 02/21/15 11:25 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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2 trays went to another experiment to mass mycelium transfers, basically putting multiple rice sized agar transfers on the surface of the gel every square inch or so to get a lot of mycelium going fast, it worked well and was mixed into bulk substrate, it is colonizing well.
I am thinking of using this as an alternative to grains in the future, (albeit with less expensive ingredients). It would be nice to avoid all of the pressure cooking and work that goes with prepping rye berries.
The other tray was prepped with a jar of GT and is starting to fruit now, the GT is a bit slower than the AA+.
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Re: Sandwich Tech [Re: Fodo]
#21307922 - 02/21/15 11:29 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Cool
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Re: Sandwich Tech [Re: Fodo]
#21307924 - 02/21/15 11:30 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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This is brilliant.
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TBH I could never get away with what you're doing and have no clue how you are, but props to you.
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Re: Sandwich Tech [Re: Psilicon]
#21308023 - 02/21/15 11:52 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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It seems I stumbled on to a food mix the mycelium like, it acts like a substrate. Sandwiching the grains between the gel and the casing promotes rapid growth downward and upward and doesn't give contams a chance to take hold.
Ps. the casing was not pasteurized, just mixed to field capacity in a bowl with a little lime for PH.
No need for a fruiting chamber, high humidity or temperature changes, I just took the lids off when they started pinning and mist them when the edges get dry.
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Re: Sandwich Tech [Re: Psilicon]
#21308529 - 02/21/15 01:53 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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van der griegen said: TBH I could never get away with what you're doing and have no clue how you are, but props to you.
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Re: Sandwich Tech [Re: Fodo]
#21308538 - 02/21/15 01:54 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Is that a hint of green I see creeping up in the bottom right corner?
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Re: Sandwich Tech [Re: Kizzle]
#21308620 - 02/21/15 02:14 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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probably
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Re: Sandwich Tech [Re: Kizzle]
#21309898 - 02/21/15 06:28 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
Kizzle said: Is that a hint of green I see creeping up in the bottom right corner?
You made me go and have a look, no it is not a hint of green, there is no contamination anywhere.
Edited by Fodo (02/21/15 06:30 PM)
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Re: Sandwich Tech [Re: Fodo]
#21309922 - 02/21/15 06:36 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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I don't believe it but if its true props to u.
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silverstem said: I don't believe it but if its true props to u.
Here is a closeup picture of the bottom right corner, please decide for yourself.
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Re: Sandwich Tech [Re: Fodo]
#21310059 - 02/21/15 07:07 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Looks like u cut it out in the firs pic there is sub under the bottom mushie in the new pic there is no sub.. But I could be wrong like I said b4 if its true props to u i don't wanna start anything but I wouldn't call this a tek it needs more research and expirements... Rye barries would contaminate when u mix your spawn in that's why we don't use it in bulk grows unless its 100% colonized and used as spawn.
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silverstem said: Looks like u cut it out in the firs pic there is sub under the bottom mushie in the new pic there is no sub.. But I could be wrong like I said b4 if its true props to u i don't wanna start anything but I wouldn't call this a tek it needs more research and expirements... Rye barries would contaminate when u mix your spawn in that's why we don't use it in bulk grows unless its 100% colonized and used as spawn.
It doesn't look like he cut anything out to me.
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Re: Sandwich Tech [Re: Fodo]
#21310649 - 02/21/15 08:36 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
silverstem said: Looks like u cut it out in the firs pic there is sub under the bottom mushie in the new pic there is no sub.. But I could be wrong like I said b4 if its true props to u i don't wanna start anything but I wouldn't call this a tek it needs more research and expirements... Rye barries would contaminate when u mix your spawn in that's why we don't use it in bulk grows unless its 100% colonized and used as spawn.
Point conceded, let's not call it a "tech", it is an "experiment". The only thing I want to "start" is mushrooms, I can understand that people would be skeptical, what I am doing is new.
I was reluctant to post this in the first place, but in the interest of sharing and expanding ideas, I thought it might create some interest and lively discussion.
I really don't want to spend too much time reacting to negative comments unless they are of a constructive nature, I got caught up in this in another post and I am not going to take the bait.
I will update this post as the grow continues and will give it another go when I start my next batch of rye berries to see if the experiment is repeatable.
Perhaps I got lucky with contams, I, however, do my work under a flow hood and follow strict sanitary procedures. It is my understanding that when you get to the fruiting stage sanitary precautions are done with; as the trays /cakes etc are now exposed to open air?
Ps. Please expand on this comment, "Rye barries (sic) would contaminate when u mix your spawn in that's why we don't use it in bulk grows unless its 100% colonized and used as spawn". I'm not getting your point?
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Re: Sandwich Tech [Re: Fodo]
#21312036 - 02/22/15 08:54 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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If you open air spawned those trays and the sub was sterile then i guess there has to be some contams in there even if the cubes won. I am not surprised, a fully colonized quart jar spawned to that little Chinese food container would be and outrages amount of spawn to sub ratio at least 50/50 > right? i thnk i would leave out the brown sugar, honey ,a nd agar.. they just seem like a great place for bacteria to hang out.
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Re: Sandwich Tech [Re: bw86]
#21312161 - 02/22/15 09:45 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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I sanitized the trays by dunking them in boiling water. The substrate was brought to a boil twice, although I could have pressure cooked the mixture.
I agree, it was an outrageous amount of spawn 50/50 to substrate. The spawn was introduced to the substrate under a hood, the casing added and then the lids sealed.
Next time I will pour the trays, then pc them with lids on, add an sfd to the top. Perhaps pasteurize the casing before adding. The trays are microwavable, so they should hold up in the pc. These steps should help with contams.
I think the agar is important as it gels the mix, honey is antibacterial as well.
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Re: Sandwich Tech [Re: Fodo]
#21312316 - 02/22/15 10:34 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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look underneath if it says PP (polypropylene) you can put it in the PC
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