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Regarding the Psychadelic Experience
    #2130283 - 11/23/03 11:53 AM (13 years, 21 days ago)

Why is it that many of us seem to believe that taking psychadelics brings us to a higher state of consciousness and not a temporary pschosis, like non-users believe. Prehaps it is because we have actually are experienced and are more accepting to the thought that although it was a drug the experience was real. I think psychadelics show us the potential of the human mind and maybe even connects us to Jung's "collective unconcious". Any thoughts?


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Re: Regarding the Psychadelic Experience [Re: thelox]
    #2130298 - 11/23/03 12:07 PM (13 years, 21 days ago)

Because people that haven't used it have absolutely no idea what using a psychadelic is like. Most judge what occurs by what others tell them or by assumptions based on stories.

I think psychadelics temporarily remove barriers that keep us in our "normal" state of mind, showing things from a different perspective. This can be used to almost any end, as well.
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Re: Regarding the Psychadelic Experience [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2130433 - 11/23/03 01:54 PM (13 years, 21 days ago)

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This can be used to almost any end, as well.
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Exactly!

Just being able to experience completely new perceptions is where the power of the experience is. It reveals to us the fact that there are new ways of experiencing things.

There are other ways to accomplish this. Drugs are just the most direct. :cool:

 


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Re: Regarding the Psychadelic Experience [Re: sirreal]
    #2130448 - 11/23/03 02:04 PM (13 years, 21 days ago)

I read an article in the newspaper a while back, about insanity.

It said that some researchers had found a chemical or something they could measure in the human brain, which was linked to how much sensory input the brain was filtering out before processing. There was a "normal" level which applied to your "average" human.

They found that the level was much lower in two cases: gifted people and insane people.

The idea was that with less of a filter the brain has a lot more information to deal with. Some brains can deal with it. Others can't. If you can, it is manifested as a higher level of intelligence (you have more information to work with, and your brain must work at a more efficient level or something). If you can't handle the extra information, you end up with psychotic disturbances.


What's this have to do with mushrooms?

One of the first things I learned about mushrooms, through reading and using, is that they break down those filters on sensory input. Right?

Well then wouldn't that be the same thing as temporarily lowering whatever chemical or process it is in your brain as stated above? :wink:

So all that matters is: can you handle the extra flow? 


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Re: Regarding the Psychadelic Experience [Re: trendal]
    #2130467 - 11/23/03 02:18 PM (13 years, 21 days ago)

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trendal said:
So all that matters is: can you handle the extra flow? 




I feel like I can. I know someone in particular, that, regrettably, cannot. Of course, the difference between me and him, one of the few, is that he drinks heavily every night. I hear he keeps getting worse and worse, he's basically scizophrenic now... I am going to try getting a hold of him, seeing if I can help him with anything at all. He isn't going all Syd Barrett style on me, god damn it, he's my best friend and a hell of a lead guitarist. I'll kick his ass as much as I need to get him to take control of his mind....

But ja, I'd just like to add that I feel that we need some time sober if we are going to make use of the insight and the extra perspectives gained by using these psychadelics. It could just be me, I'm not sure, but sobriety is something that I enjoy somewhat, as long as I can get some psychadelics running through me occasionally.. :grin:
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Re: Regarding the Psychadelic Experience [Re: trendal]
    #2130473 - 11/23/03 02:20 PM (13 years, 21 days ago)

Yeah.

I feel hypersensitive on large doses of mushrooms. It can be overwhelming!

Being in that state of "hypersensitivity" makes me feel insane. So I know what you are talking about.


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Re: Regarding the Psychadelic Experience [Re: sirreal]
    #2130493 - 11/23/03 02:32 PM (13 years, 21 days ago)

I remember my first level 5, as it was coming on I was convinced I was going insane. I had complete auditory hallucinations and the visuals got to the point where whatever should have been there was not. I've always been fascinated with the idea of different views on the same thing.


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Re: Regarding the Psychadelic Experience [Re: thelox]
    #2130599 - 11/23/03 04:32 PM (13 years, 21 days ago)

What if a temporary pschosis is indeed a higher state of consciousness ?

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Re: Regarding the Psychadelic Experience [Re: MAIA]
    #2130683 - 11/23/03 05:43 PM (13 years, 21 days ago)

What do you mean by "higher state"? Confusion, irrationality, and inability to deal with consensus reality appears as a lower state to me.


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Re: Regarding the Psychadelic Experience [Re: Swami]
    #2130691 - 11/23/03 05:48 PM (13 years, 21 days ago)

That's the psychosis part of it. Have you never experienced anything that would qualify as a "higher state"?


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Re: Regarding the Psychadelic Experience [Re: muhurgle]
    #2130697 - 11/23/03 05:53 PM (13 years, 21 days ago)

That is what I am asking before I can answer. What qualifies as higher? I have experienced different states, but does that make them superior?


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Re: Regarding the Psychadelic Experience [Re: Swami]
    #2130698 - 11/23/03 05:53 PM (13 years, 21 days ago)

I think Swami was just pointing how loosely that term is used..."higher state". Higher = better? Its all perspective.


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Re: Regarding the Psychadelic Experience [Re: adrug]
    #2130714 - 11/23/03 06:05 PM (13 years, 21 days ago)

It's these goddamn squirrelly words causing all the problems!


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Re: Regarding the Psychadelic Experience [Re: Swami]
    #2130724 - 11/23/03 06:17 PM (13 years, 21 days ago)

Obviously "higher" is very subjective. Since I don't know what's normal or "high" to you, I can't really say.

These different states certainly have different qualities to me. I have no problem rating some of them "higher" or more superior than others.

They are "more superior" for a lot of reasons. The most mundane being that the experience of music and art is extremely intensified.


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Re: Regarding the Psychadelic Experience [Re: muhurgle]
    #2130903 - 11/23/03 07:45 PM (13 years, 21 days ago)

Maybe instead of defining as higher or lower states of consciousness, how about complimentary states of consciousnes in the sense that everything is valid? Why not use all the resources we have?


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Re: Regarding the Psychadelic Experience [Re: thelox]
    #2130977 - 11/23/03 08:22 PM (13 years, 21 days ago)

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thelox said:
I think psychadelics show us the potential of the human mind and maybe even connects us to Jung's "collective unconcious". Any thoughts?




I'd like to address this. It's a common misconception that Jung's "collective unconsciousness" is some sort of pre-existent group mind with which our individual minds merge. He meant that just as humans share a single broad body pattern (head, limbs, torso, ect) that it also shares a single broad mind pattern, possibly based on the single broad brain structure. This pattern manifests it's self subjectively as archetypes, at the bedrock level of the psyche.


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Re: Regarding the Psychadelic Experience [Re: jiva]
    #2132884 - 11/24/03 05:52 PM (13 years, 20 days ago)

I agree genius borders on the insane. And I've definately felt like a genius on some of my trips, if you catch my drift :wink:

I believe tripping is a mix between an advanced trance/dream state and merging with the collective consciousness on a conscious level. While tripping I can have the most profound insights into the way things work - especially the human mind - while visually seeing what there wouldn't be otherwise.

Anyone seen Road Trip? Remember the scene with the dog talking to the geezer? Well, at one time during a trip I saw a poodle sitting next to my easy chair, and it was looking at me, as if saying "What the fuck are you looking at, stoner, mind your own business". That was weird and amusing at the same time, and also goes to show tripping (at least to me) borders somewhere between experiencing a broader reality (patterns in everything) and distorting the expectancy patterns of the ego, to produce visual or auditive hallucinations resulting from advanced wishful thinking on a very basic neurological level.


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Re: Regarding the Psychadelic Experience [Re: Alan Stone]
    #2132922 - 11/24/03 06:10 PM (13 years, 20 days ago)

I definately could not handle my shit with the 'extra sensory input', or whatever. I lost sight of everything and plunged into a dark hole of unanswerable questions for atleast a year.. probably longer, I don't really remember.

If there is such thing as 'insanity' than I have no problem saying I went temporarily insane. Luckily I didn't stay in that place and I feel very on top of things and reconnected with myself these days.

Who knows... maybe it was for the best.

I see the psychadelic experience as an extremely powerful primal beast that could destroy you just as easily as befriend you, depending on what kind of person you are.

That beauty is.... too beautiful.


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Re: Regarding the Psychadelic Experience [Re: Grav]
    #2132986 - 11/24/03 07:00 PM (13 years, 20 days ago)

I've had trips before that made me feel more intelligent and insightful than usual, lots of odd stuff. Juggled once, which I can't do at all normally. Made amazing flashes of insight into the motives behind certain actions of friends.
and actually that makes a LOT of sense. my bigest problem with tripping is I always get confused, horribly horribly confused, by this huge influx of THOUGHT. in all caps, because it's like that. Akin to watching 3 TVs at once, while reading 4 books, and doing 2 crossword puzzles


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Re: Regarding the Psychadelic Experience [Re: Mushmonkey]
    #2133146 - 11/24/03 08:10 PM (13 years, 20 days ago)

i had a friend in college that would take very low doses of shrooms the night befor a big test so he could study. He used to swear by his method and would say that the next day during the test he could "recall" the information he read the night befor much better.I always thought he was a damm fool but he did get the grades


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