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Yellow vs Pink Oysters from Aloha?
    #21301476 - 02/19/15 10:03 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Greetings All,

Dr. Tura from Aloha recommended the following oysters:

Yellow:
P. citrinopileatus AM1
P. citrinopileatus AM2


Pink:
P. salmoneostramineus VDE1


Just have to decide which one to get now....Any comments on the strains listed above?

I will be fruiting them outdoors (inoculation indoors at ~75 degrees)  - average temp & humidity for the next few months:
Month                  Mar Apr May Jun
Average temp. °F 69 73 77 80
High temp °F         79 82 85 88
Low temp °F         60 64 69 73
Morning humidity % 82 79 80 84
Afternoon humidity % 56 55 59 66


...On the other hand - I guess I could order (2) 10lb bags of grain spawn - but I really should use them all as soon as they arrive - can't really wait a week or two before using?

Thanks in advance!

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Re: Yellow vs Pink Oysters from Aloha? [Re: Oyster_Bob]
    #21302034 - 02/20/15 02:04 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Yellow spawn will wait, pink will not and must be stored at 10C or it will die.


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Re: Yellow vs Pink Oysters from Aloha? [Re: solarity]
    #21302368 - 02/20/15 06:35 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

were you planning on ordering plug or grain spawn, cultures?  what substrate were you planning on using.

not gonna lie- when I ordered those two as part of a larger order last summer they were basically DOA.  dead on arrival.  maybe they will be more on point if you just order those species.

the yellow did not perform well on straw for me.  and the pink, like all pinks, seems suseptible to green mold as the mycelium is fast but not super thick.  at least on straw.  it will still fruit, and it's my favorite pink.  just my $0.02


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Re: Yellow vs Pink Oysters from Aloha? [Re: drake89]
    #21302807 - 02/20/15 08:56 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for the replies!

It sounds like Yellow Oysters may be the route to go then?  I am somewhat paranoid about contaminates and molds considering they will be colonizing in a non sterile environment (closet), then moved outside with a bunch more stuff in the air...

Was planning on getting their 10lb bag of grain spawn - not yet ready for the flow hood/petri dishes :-)

I was originally planning on doing 5 gallon buckets of shredded straw - but have decided to try poly bags instead.  My shredded straw supply (pellets) is kinda sketchy so will also experiment with pine pellets (no hardwood/fuel pellets near me - South Florida)  - From various forum posts - Pine pellets should be ok since they are under heavy pressure and heat while pellet-izing the anti-fungal properties are cooked out - guess we'll see...

Planning on doing the method (4x4 system) Tradd Cotter outlined in his book - excerpt here:  http://www.chelseagreen.com/content/indoor-oyster-mushrooms-small-spaces/

Was thinking of inoculating/colonizing the bags in the closet (4 bags or so a week) - reusing one or two bags to inoculate the next batch (ie part of week 1 batch would inoculate week 3 batch) until senescence really sets in and/or contamination gets too rampant  - assuming I can get away with 6 cycles - it should last me about 12 weeks/3 months?


The Hypothetical plan:

Week 1
Cultivate (8-10) 16x24 poly bags 10lb of grain spawn (Oyster)
Put half of the bags in the 70-75 degree closet - Mark these as Week 1
Put the other half in the bags in a cooler place that will hopefully be around 50-60 degrees

Week 2
Move the bags that were in the cooler place to the closet area and mark them as Week 2

Week 3
Take two of week 1 bags (should be fully colonized & not yet fruited) -  break them up and cultivate 4-5 bags - place those in closet
Take the remaining week 1 bags to the screened patio

Week 4
Harvest Bags from week one (first flush)
Take two of week 2 bags (should be fully colonized & not yet fruited) -  break them up and cultivate 4-5 bags - place those in closet
Take the remaining week 2 bags to the screened patio

Week 5
Harvest Bags from week two (first flush)
Take two of week 3 bags (should be fully colonized & not yet fruited) -  break them up and cultivate 4-5 bags - place those in closet
Take the remaining week 3 bags to the screened patio

Week 6
Harvest Bags from week three (first flush)
Harvest Bags from week one (second flush)
Take two of week 4 bags (should be fully colonized & not yet fruited) -  break them up and cultivate 4-5 bags - place those in closet
Take the remaining week 4 bags to the screened patio

Week 7
Harvest Bags from week four (first flush)
Harvest Bags from week two (second flush)
Take two of week 5 bags (should be fully colonized & not yet fruited) -  break them up and cultivate 4-5 bags - place those in closet
Take the remaining week 5 bags to the screened patio

Week 8
Harvest Bags from week five (first flush)
Harvest Bags from week three (second flush)
Harvest Bags from week one (third flush)
Dump Bags from week one into compost heap after third flush harvest
Take two of week 6 bags (should be fully colonized & not yet fruited) -  break them up and cultivate 4-5 bags - place those in closet
Take the remaining week 6 bags to the screened patio

Week 9
Harvest Bags from week six (first flush)
Harvest Bags from week four (second flush)
Harvest Bags from week two (third flush)
Dump Bags from week two into compost heap after third flush harvest
Take two of week 7 bags (should be fully colonized & not yet fruited) -  break them up and cultivate 4-5 bags - place those in closet
Take the remaining week 7 bags to the screened patio

Future weeks continue the process...




thoughts?


Thanks again!

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Re: Yellow vs Pink Oysters from Aloha? [Re: Oyster_Bob]
    #21304449 - 02/20/15 02:31 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Edited by Mandarinfish (07/14/20 07:58 AM)

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Re: Yellow vs Pink Oysters from Aloha? [Re: Mandarinfish]
    #21304597 - 02/20/15 03:02 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Neither one is anything to write home about flavor or texture wise.  The yellows are incredibly fragile and thin fleshed.


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Re: Yellow vs Pink Oysters from Aloha? [Re: drake89]
    #21304683 - 02/20/15 03:20 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Edited by Mandarinfish (07/14/20 07:59 AM)

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Re: Yellow vs Pink Oysters from Aloha? [Re: Mandarinfish]
    #21304771 - 02/20/15 03:42 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Thank you again for your responses!

hmm....decisions decisions....

From Dr Tura:

"...
P. citrinopileatus AM1 –one of our best golden oyster strains [prolific, likes warm temperatures], AM2 has amazing fruitbodies and triggers at lower temperatures [68-80 F] attached is a picture of AM2.

P. salmoneostramineus is what I recommend you over P. djamor. Reasons: a) a warm salmon color compared to a red –pink; b) thicker fruitbodies and longer shelf life.
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So assuming that means:
AM1 - Good performing golden - fruits at nominal 75-85?
AM2 - Better Fruit bodies than AM1, however fruits at lower temps 68-80

Salmoneostramineus - better than the djamor in fruiting results


Fragility of pink vs yellow isn't really a concern for me as my household will be the sole consumers of the fruits;-)
Assuming the following is roughly equal among the three strains:
- Colonizing Speed
- Taste
- Yield
- Fruiting

I guess I am looking for something that will be the:
- Most fault tolerant of a beginner
- Most resistant/tolerant to molds/contaminates
- Most resistant to senescence (this one I guess really no one would know until they started using it...)

I think I am leaning more toward the AM2 (golden), since the historical average weather I am having for the next 3-4 months fits the window it suits best (68-80) - maybe the AM1 or the Pink for the next quarter when it gets much warmer?

Thanks again!,

Bob

Edited by Oyster_Bob (02/20/15 03:44 PM)

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Re: Yellow vs Pink Oysters from Aloha? [Re: drake89]
    #21305390 - 02/20/15 06:38 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

drake89 said:
Neither one is anything to write home about flavor or texture wise.  The yellows are incredibly fragile and thin fleshed.



:whathesaid:
So far I've grown out gold, pink, blue, yellow, gray, pearl and phoenix.  Mainly to verify the cultures I received were correctly labelled and because oysters are easy.  They need way to much fresh air for my basement grow space and they're way to much work to prep for cooking.  Just not enough meat on them for me.  They're pretty to look at though.


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Re: Yellow vs Pink Oysters from Aloha? [Re: MrGiraffe]
    #21305518 - 02/20/15 07:08 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

MrGiraffe said:
...
So far I've grown out gold, pink, blue, yellow, gray, pearl and phoenix.  Mainly to verify the cultures I received were correctly labelled and because oysters are easy.  They need way to much fresh air for my basement grow space and they're way to much work to prep for cooking.  Just not enough meat on them for me.  They're pretty to look at though.





Would Phoenix Oysters be better for ediblity?  I think those are pretty much my 3 options (yellow, pink, phoenix) for warm/hot weather oysters?  I somewhat counted Phoenix out because its yields were reportedly not as good as yellow or pink.

Edited by Oyster_Bob (02/20/15 07:09 PM)

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Re: Yellow vs Pink Oysters from Aloha? [Re: Oyster_Bob]
    #21305661 - 02/20/15 07:42 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

To me all of the oysters seem about the same with the exception of the Kings.  I've got a few bags of those incubating right now so I can't say how they're going to do in my space.  Kings are grown for big thick (edible) stems unlike all of the other oysters, so they need less fresh air and you would end up with more edible mushroom in the end.  I think they fruit in the 50-70f range so probably not a good choice for you during the summer, but may be viable for winter.


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Re: Yellow vs Pink Oysters from Aloha? [Re: MrGiraffe]
    #21308022 - 02/21/15 11:52 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Have to disagree, I get some fab yellows with a tart flavour that gets more nutty as you cook them - nice delicate texture to contrast the thick, succulent greys. Pinks are great fresh and crispy, esp with seafood. Eryngii would have to be my favourite though.

Phoenix is the least appealing to me.


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Re: Yellow vs Pink Oysters from Aloha? [Re: solarity]
    #21354567 - 03/02/15 11:55 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Personally i wouldnt bother ordering an aloha strain for either of those - there are excellent strains traded here quite often.


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Re: Yellow vs Pink Oysters from Aloha? [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #21355398 - 03/03/15 08:22 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

bluemeanie said:
Personally i wouldnt bother ordering an aloha strain for either of those - there are excellent strains traded here quite often.





Yep - I am really looking forward to when my 90 days registration is up so I can check out the "classifieds"/trades area.  However even then I don't really have anything fungi related for trade :undecided:

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Re: Yellow vs Pink Oysters from Aloha? [Re: Oyster_Bob]
    #21355851 - 03/03/15 11:07 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I like  marbles.

And my qt of pinks is almost done colonizing. :smile:
Still got the culture on a plate.

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Re: Yellow vs Pink Oysters from Aloha? [Re: blojo02184]
    #21362016 - 03/04/15 04:11 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I was just looking at prices from Aloha and they sure are pricey. I guess you get what you pay for though. If I had the spare cash I would try out his recommendations.

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