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Psilicon
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I'm still waiting for his source.
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shroomgod4u
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The only way air is going to destroy a mushroom is if you are not moving it and causing evaporation, it will rot. Air is detrimental to the actives but unless you are slicing them up and exposing the inside of the mushroom then it's basically protected. Any actives found on the outter portion of the mushroom is destroyed no matter what. Heat on the other hand will penetrate into the mushroom regardless of being whole or sliced.
And VDG, I tried finding that info on the net but couldn't find it anywhere except in a blog basically. I read books and get information, not just the internet.
Edited by shroomgod4u (02/19/15 11:03 AM)
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Are you saying air causes it to rot? And if you want to cite a book, or "information," feel free.
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Re: Food Dehydrators [Re: randoman]
#21298279 - 02/19/15 11:04 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Seems to me that it is simple really. Buy a dehydrator put it on its highest setting.
Put mushrooms into dehydrator.
Then check them every once in a while.
When they are cracker dry. MAKE SURE THEY ARE CRACKER DRY! Remove and let cool.
Put in sealed container in a cool and dry dark place. Maybe get some silica packets to put into said container. badabingbadaBOOM Did I forget anything?
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Edited by randoman (02/19/15 11:09 AM)
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Psilicon
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Re: Food Dehydrators [Re: randoman]
#21298281 - 02/19/15 11:05 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yep. Don't use the lowest setting. Use the highest setting.
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shroomgod4u
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Re: Food Dehydrators [Re: Psilicon]
#21298283 - 02/19/15 11:05 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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I said, air "not" moving will cause them to rot because evaporation would not be taking place. Take time and try to read things before jumping to conclusions
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FreeWorldOrder


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shroomgod4u said: I can almost guarantee that none of you dry your mushrooms that hot
Most dehydrators run at 160-165F........the actives don't break down until FAR past 300F.....
PF said, actives don't break down until FAR past 300F but 5 minutes later contradicts himself. I'm pretty sure I know who needs some classes

PF has that TRUSTED CULTIVATOR tag for a reason. He knows what he is talking about as do many other members. They know a hell of a lot about what they are doing and posting through longtime experience.
That being said, you can come on here and argue all you want. But that doesn't change the fact you are WRONG. And you don't appear to be willing to admit it, or learn from others. Not a good way to go about learning mycology.
When you have a question down the road are you going to argue with people's advice who are trying to help you? Or do you think you know everything there is to know already? I sure know I don't... this is a science and hobby where one never stops learning...
Now every point I was trying to originally explain to you has been backed up by people who know a hell of a lot more than me. I rest my case....
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shroomgod4u said:
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shroomgod4u said: I can almost guarantee that none of you dry your mushrooms that hot
Most dehydrators run at 160-165F........the actives don't break down until FAR past 300F.....
PF said, actives don't break down until FAR past 300F but 5 minutes later contradicts himself. I'm pretty sure I know who needs some classes
Bro.....I was commenting on your argument about you turning the heat down on a dehydrator, so it takes more time to dry......
With YOUR logic, you would not lose any(or very little) potency from drying at lower temps, but you would lose more from oxidation(exposure to oxygen over a certain amount of time).....
YOU would be trading one potency loss for another........
Now using MY logic, drying them at a higher temp(still well below 300F), will reduce the exposure to oxygen, thus reducing the amount of actives lost......because you do not lose any active at temps lower than 340F....according to this link.....
https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/psilocybin/psilocybin_chemistry.shtml
This is a fact that has been backed up by thousands of cutivators......
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Edited by PussyFart (02/19/15 11:08 AM)
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shroomgod4u
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Re: Food Dehydrators [Re: randoman]
#21298291 - 02/19/15 11:07 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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randoman said: Seems to me that it is simple really. Buy a dehydrator put it on its lowest setting.
Put mushrooms into dehydrator.
Then check them every once in a while.
When they are cracker dry. MAKE SURE THEY ARE CRACKER DRY! Remove and let cool.
Put in sealed container in a cool and dry dark place. Maybe get some silica packets to put into said container. badabingbadaBOOM Did I forget anything?
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Algo
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WhyQuote:
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shroomgod4u said: I also use a dehydrator, an Excalibur. I guess it's more of a preference deal, I prefer to keep as much actives preserved as possible, even if it is a minor amount. Its like throwing away pennies imo, in the end they add up
In the end they add up to what? You will lose the same amount of actives from oxidation in the extra time it takes to get them dry at lower temps.....it's basically the same thing....get them dry as quick as possible then store in a sealed vessel.....
Your statement you just made proves that you agree with heat degrading actives lol
He never agreed heat of 160F degrades actives, only that psilocybin doesnt break down til FAR past 300F. Drying degrades actives no matter how you do it. Oxidization degrades psilocin. Once dried, no matter how you do it, the psilocin is freaking gone. Oxidization degrades psilocybin too, but its alot more durable. if you dry them slowly your are exposing to more oxygen therefore potentially risking loss of psilocybin. So scientificaly speaking you are the one making your shrooms weaker, where as we are not because we dry them quickly. Get it now?
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Re: Food Dehydrators [Re: PussyFart]
#21298307 - 02/19/15 11:10 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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FreeWorldOrder said:
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shroomgod4u said:
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shroomgod4u said: I can almost guarantee that none of you dry your mushrooms that hot
Most dehydrators run at 160-165F........the actives don't break down until FAR past 300F.....
PF said, actives don't break down until FAR past 300F but 5 minutes later contradicts himself. I'm pretty sure I know who needs some classes

PF has that TRUSTED CULTIVATOR tag for a reason. He knows what he is talking about as do many other members. They know a hell of a lot about what they are doing and posting through longtime experience.
That being said, you can come on here and argue all you want. But that doesn't change the fact you are WRONG. And you don't appear to be willing to admit it, or learn from others. Not a good way to go about learning mycology.
When you have a question down the road are you going to argue with people's advice who are trying to help you? Or do you think you know everything there is to know already? I sure know I don't... this is a science and hobby where one never stops learning...
Now every point I was trying to originally explain to you has been backed up by people who know. I rest my case....
I'm not a follower like 95% of the ppl on this site. I learn from experience. I rest my case.
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PussyFart said:
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shroomgod4u said:
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shroomgod4u said: I can almost guarantee that none of you dry your mushrooms that hot
Most dehydrators run at 160-165F........the actives don't break down until FAR past 300F.....
PF said, actives don't break down until FAR past 300F but 5 minutes later contradicts himself. I'm pretty sure I know who needs some classes
Bro.....I was commenting on your argument about you turning the heat down on a dehydrator, so it takes more time to dry......
With YOUR logic, you would not lose any(or very little) potency from drying at lower temps, but you would lose more from oxidation(exposure to oxygen over a certain amount of time).....
YOU would be trading one potency loss for another........
Now using MY logic, drying them at a higher temp(still well below 300F), will reduce the exposure to oxygen, thus reducing the amount of actives lost......because you do not lose any active at temps lower than 340F....according to this link.....
https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/psilocybin/psilocybin_chemistry.shtml
This is a fact that has been backed up by thousands of cutivators......
Exactly, according to a damn link lol
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randoman
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edited low setting to high setting! sorry
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shroomgod4u
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Re: Food Dehydrators [Re: randoman]
#21298316 - 02/19/15 11:12 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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randoman said: edited low setting to high setting! sorry
See, classic case of being a follower lol
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Re: Food Dehydrators [Re: Psilicon]
#21298318 - 02/19/15 11:12 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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You bros are so informative.. I love you guys
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Psilicon
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randoman said: edited low setting to high setting! sorry
See, classic case of being a follower lol
I'll follow you when you show me a source that can I can believe more than my personal experience. Because I can't be certain that I haven't just been lucky, I'm willing to consider it if you provide me something trustworthy.
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shroomgod4u
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Science is proven wrong almost daily, things we were taught in school are now bullshit. Its all you hear from scientists is we thought this and we though that but we now know we were wrong and come up with a new explanation that will be proven wrong in 6 months down the road. Learn from experience, don't be a follower.
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Lol... how do you think they learned? Uh... through EXPERIENCE.
You're the one who started all of this by jumping all over posts calling them bad info...
I seen this shit coming a mile away!...
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randoman said: edited low setting to high setting! sorry
See, classic case of being a follower lol
Evidence......atleast pf posted a source for information.....unless ive missed this in the thread....which i could have, i haven't seen any informative source backing your theory
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randoman
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randoman said: edited low setting to high setting! sorry
See, classic case of being a follower lol
Nah bro sorry the only thing I follow is ....nevermind.
My dehydrator does not even have a heat setting. Nor do I give a fuck because they dry fast!
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FreeWorldOrder


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randoman said: edited low setting to high setting! sorry
See, classic case of being a follower lol
Are you serious? You seem very immature and close minded.
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