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how do you dunk a casing?
    #2129821 - 11/23/03 01:39 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

are you supposed to take it out of the container its in or what?


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Re: how do you dunk a casing? [Re: TRS]
    #2129858 - 11/23/03 02:09 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Would misting be inadequate for your purposes?


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Re: how do you dunk a casing? [Re: Che_Night_Soil]
    #2129917 - 11/23/03 03:00 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

fill the casing with water (flood it) and put it into a turkey bag. place in the fridge overnight. when you take it out, punch a hole in eack corner of the bottom to let it drain. thats what afoaf does.


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Re: how do you dunk a casing? [Re: TRS]
    #2129941 - 11/23/03 03:12 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

There is no need to dunk a casing, that?s why you mist the casing layer with water.


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Re: how do you dunk a casing? [Re: Anno]
    #2130002 - 11/23/03 04:22 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

i dont have anything to mist with and if i did i probably wouldnt do it anyway. why do you say there is no need to dunk a casing when alot of people here talk about doing it all the time?


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Re: how do you dunk a casing? [Re: TRS]
    #2130009 - 11/23/03 04:36 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I can only repeat myself: a casing is sprayed with water, not dunked.

That?s the standard procedure and much more convenient and easier than mess with dunking.

But, it CAN also be dunked, as everything can be done using different routes. It?s just not a common practice, since it?s less convenient and more work.


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Re: how do you dunk a casing? [Re: Anno]
    #2130016 - 11/23/03 04:49 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

but doesnt spraying a casing cause overlay?


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Re: how do you dunk a casing? [Re: TRS]
    #2130028 - 11/23/03 05:11 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

No.


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Re: how do you dunk a casing? [Re: Anno] * 1
    #2130071 - 11/23/03 06:04 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

i mist my casings heaps when i put them together,then once or twice during colonisation if they look a little dry on the surface,i dont mist at all during pinning and fruiting,after harvesting a flush i recase with a thin (less than a quater inch) layer,making sure it gets down the sides of the container where the casing has shrunk.
then mist the whole thing and wait for more shrooms.
one of the principles of a casing layer is to provide moisture,misting at the right times serves this purpose.

dunk cakes not casings.

PS coldshocking casings is a waste of time too.


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Re: how do you dunk a casing? [Re: Hanky]
    #2130167 - 11/23/03 09:54 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I agree with Hanky. And Anno.
Nothing to mist with?!?!?! Go to the local drugstore(mine is WrongAide) and get little sprayer for .50 cents each. You can fucking afford that, can't you? If not, spange that shit right out front.


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Re: how do you dunk a casing? [Re: DMJ]
    #2130225 - 11/23/03 10:53 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Sorry on double post...

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...;o=&fpart=1

...but I think I will again, because the spin that you can only spray is not a rule I subscribe to.

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If you're talking cased grain, yeah you can sure dunk 'em like a PF cake so I say nah to the nay-sayers...





Trays of 1st, 2nd & 3rd flush and on, with last pic showing a 5th flush of a tray. All trays were dunked after 1st flush and repeated for successive flushes after. I've gone as far as 6 dunks (7th flush) doing this. I'm not here bullshitting and it cranks the yields...shrooms are 90%+ water by weight. Water is the greatest limiting factor. Forget the spin you can only spray, bollocks.















Here's a 7th flush example, yep that be a 6th dunk.



When the tray is exhausted, this is what it looks like. Dunking gets the water into it. Shrooms in the wild cop big arse downpours of rain that saturate soil/substrate profiles, then drain to a field capacity. Folks, the mycelium will not drown if dunked overnight and as long as there's draiange holes on your trays, you'll be right.





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Re: how do you dunk a casing? [Re: Starter]
    #2130229 - 11/23/03 10:59 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Nobody said you CAN NOT dunk it. Of course you can. You can dunk your dog too.

But with casings It?s not needed, it?s much more work and it?s not better than simply throughly spraying it.


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Re: how do you dunk a casing? [Re: Anno]
    #2130235 - 11/23/03 11:06 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

A brick & a tub, it gets the water in and it's hardly work.

Besides, the A. bisporus kits that are sold at the local supermarket do not recommend spraying as it compacts the casing layer. Yep, I found that happen. Best to dribble water from a beer bottle. Also the same with cubes.

In fact, where I haven't dunked, I'd dribble water on, or even tip a glass of water over the top and let it drain through. Dunking does a more thorough job.

I don't agree Anno.


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Re: how do you dunk a casing? [Re: Starter]
    #2130239 - 11/23/03 11:11 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

>A brick & a tub, it gets the water in and it's hardly work.

This might be true if you have 1 casing.

If you have 10 or 20 , then I?d like to see you still claiming not being more work....

The fact still stays, it?s unnecessary work.


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Re: how do you dunk a casing? [Re: Anno]
    #2130245 - 11/23/03 11:18 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

If you're running 10 or 20 casings, you'd be going bulk.

I only spoke of grain case dunks. Manure/straw/compost holds more water than grain (hence why they're ideal soil ammendments) so it would be nutes, not water, that will be the limiting factor there.

In grain, as you know, the limiting factor is water, not nutes. To exploit that before the mycelium body withers in age, get the water in -- a dunk will do just that.



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Re: how do you dunk a casing? [Re: Starter]
    #2130409 - 11/23/03 01:44 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

damn starter, is that casing just grains, cased? which grains, which casing, thanks.


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Re: how do you dunk a casing? [Re: shwowsh]
    #2130598 - 11/23/03 04:32 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

No -- the depth of your substrate determines the number of flushes. In a casing, as long as you added enough casing, the misting of the casing will provide enough water for the mushrooms to grow, which is why commercial growers do it this way -- they don't dunk their casings because there's no reason to.

I think dunking casings is silly. If it's dry, mist it.

I'm against it because I don't like my casings to get saturated -- I like the humidity down to prevent contamination. 90% of the contamination I've seen is because humidity was too high or water damage.

Like Anno said -- noone says you can't dunk your casings, but it isn't nessecary, IMO -- you can get just as many flushes from not dunking it. A grain casing of that depth should produce at least 5 flushes, anyway -- if it's 2" or less you'll get a smaller number of flushes.

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Re: how do you dunk a casing? [Re: micro]
    #2131296 - 11/23/03 11:14 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I realize my error now, I assumed that all could read and comprehend the English language.

I have been consistently referencing GRAIN, that's G-R-A-I-N.
shwowsh, millet to be precise mate, 60/40 cased top & bottom, and some had vermiculite added ratio 1, to 2 millet, as the substrate

It's beyond me why you would tell me that commercial growers mist BULK substrates.

Perhaps you could post some pics of your miraculous accomplishments with misting, I posted some mediocre results I had with dunking. I've done better but was lacking a digital as it was broken -- no pics means no documentation.

As for Anno (and I don't worship at any persona pulpit) re: "dunking his dog", well he might be as well off with that tek as he is with those cakes. :smirk: 


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Re: how do you dunk a casing? [Re: Starter]
    #2131307 - 11/23/03 11:20 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

There's too much negativity in here.  :shake:


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Re: how do you dunk a casing? [Re: SixCee]
    #2131321 - 11/23/03 11:28 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

geez i am getting worked up just reading this thread but it is good stuff, besides if everyone agreed all the time then no one would every experment and their would be no progress made.


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