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Nativenglish
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Spore Drop
#21297751 - 02/19/15 09:22 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hi Fellas, I have a couple questions regarding spore drop...
First, what is the mechanism by which spores end up on the tops of the caps? I always thought that the dark brown spore stains were from taller mushrooms dropping spore onto the shorter mushrooms. I've since seen that even the first and tallest fruits end up with spore stains on their tops, and don't understand how this is happening. Is there some process at work whereby the spore are migrating through the caps to the tops of the fruits? I know it's pretty useless information, but I just want to know for the general understanding of the thing.
The second question is regarding what message is sent to the other fruiting cakes, after spore drop. I have read that a spore drop signals the other cakes that it's time to stop or slow production. This was a very old thread, and I'm wondering if this still holds true?
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bw86
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the air currents bring them to the top thats it.Spores dont just drop out they come out super fast like a projectile. also i have no clue about your 2nd question.
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Re: Spore Drop [Re: bw86]
#21297768 - 02/19/15 09:25 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nativenglish said: The second question is regarding what message is sent to the other fruiting cakes, after spore drop. I have read that a spore drop signals the other cakes that it's time to stop or slow production. This was a very old thread, and I'm wondering if this still holds true?
this info is true that is why we want to pick right after the veil tares.
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the spores are pushed up from air pressure i believe. but i may be wrong. im sure someone will chime in with more knowledge than me
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bw86
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Nativenglish said: The second question is regarding what message is sent to the other fruiting cakes, after spore drop. I have read that a spore drop signals the other cakes that it's time to stop or slow production. This was a very old thread, and I'm wondering if this still holds true?
this info is true that is why we want to pick right after the veil tares.
link please
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Re: Spore Drop [Re: bw86]
#21297810 - 02/19/15 09:34 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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bw86 said: the air currents bring them to the top thats it.Spores dont just drop out they come out super fast like a projectile. also i have no clue about your 2nd question.
I agree completely that it's convection--heat from the substrate causes a rising air current, which forms an eddy at the edge of the mushroom cap and deposits spores there. But when spores come out, yes, it's super fast like a projectile, but air resistance slows them down at less than the distance to the next gill over, so they're falling nearly straight down by the time they've gone a millimeter and a half.
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Re: Spore Drop [Re: bw86]
#21297818 - 02/19/15 09:35 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nativenglish said: The second question is regarding what message is sent to the other fruiting cakes, after spore drop. I have read that a spore drop signals the other cakes that it's time to stop or slow production. This was a very old thread, and I'm wondering if this still holds true?
this info is true that is why we want to pick right after the veil tares.
link please
I can't think of any sources by my own experience for this, but I've had much trouble trying to get purple substrate to pin again for a second flush.
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ill take your word for it i never took it in to consideration but i guess i have seen the same thing. I wonder if spores from another specie could have the opposite effect.
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Re: Spore Drop [Re: bw86]
#21297843 - 02/19/15 09:41 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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It would be interesting to find out--especially if it were a competitor, like Pan cyans.
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Nativenglish
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Yeah, that would be a cool experiment. This fruit here grew over the top of another cake, and even though I harvested right AT veil tearing, it still turned the top of the other cake purple/brown. Do you think I should take the cake and rinse it off? These cakes are just warming up for their first flush...
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Re: Spore Drop [Re: bw86]
#21297865 - 02/19/15 09:48 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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bw86 said:
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silverstem said:
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Nativenglish said: The second question is regarding what message is sent to the other fruiting cakes, after spore drop. I have read that a spore drop signals the other cakes that it's time to stop or slow production. This was a very old thread, and I'm wondering if this still holds true?
this info is true that is why we want to pick right after the veil tares.
link please
here a tc said it thats why i believe it lol.
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tbagtag
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silverstem said:
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Nativenglish said: The second question is regarding what message is sent to the other fruiting cakes, after spore drop. I have read that a spore drop signals the other cakes that it's time to stop or slow production. This was a very old thread, and I'm wondering if this still holds true?
this info is true that is why we want to pick right after the veil tares.
This is very false. I'm pretty sure in one of my threads I documented the debunking of this myth. As long as their is moisture and nutrition the mycelium will continue to produce fruit. I left one tub without picking for at least 7 flushes.
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Re: Spore Drop [Re: tbagtag]
#21297900 - 02/19/15 09:54 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'd love to see that.
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bw86
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im sure your one project proved it...  do you know how experiments take place? 1 of anything cant prove shit...
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Re: Spore Drop [Re: bw86]
#21297919 - 02/19/15 09:57 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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You didn't harvest a tub for 7 flushes.....?
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Nativenglish
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Re: Spore Drop [Re: tbagtag]
#21297929 - 02/19/15 10:00 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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I don't know, but after thinking about it a little, it seems if it were true, that it would be a very important thing for everyone to know. I would think that practices would have been developed to avoid this alleged characteristic. The fact that it is a relatively unknown thing, would lead me to believe there is little credence to it.
I would like to see your thread if you could post it here somewhere.
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elastic tiger did that too. he had a wild fire rage thru his town last year, and he had to abandon everything. he texted me a picture of the tubs when he got back, and it was crazy. flushes on top of flushes. weird shit, black stuff everywhere. hopefully he reads this and will post.
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Re: Spore Drop [Re: tbagtag]
#21297948 - 02/19/15 10:06 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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tbagtag said:
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silverstem said:
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Nativenglish said: The second question is regarding what message is sent to the other fruiting cakes, after spore drop. I have read that a spore drop signals the other cakes that it's time to stop or slow production. This was a very old thread, and I'm wondering if this still holds true?
this info is true that is why we want to pick right after the veil tares.
This is very false. I'm pretty sure in one of my threads I documented the debunking of this myth. As long as their is moisture and nutrition the mycelium will continue to produce fruit. I left one tub without picking for at least 7 flushes.
it may be false concoir wasnt a tc back then. but i havent seen any tc's debunk this myth so i still believe in it... better safe then sorry. you know what i mean.
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silverstem said: it may be false concoir wasnt a tc back then. but i havent seen any tc's debunk this myth so i still believe in it... better safe then sorry. you know what i mean.

Good point. That was before he levelled up and became infallible.
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