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Alwaysanoob
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Are these knots? ( Update: it's trich)
#21297322 - 02/19/15 07:45 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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I spawned this Minimono 14 days ago with PE. My ratio was approx. 1:1.5. Spawned to CVG. I shot for a top layer of 1/2 inch or less. My sub is approx. 3 inches thick.
As you can see the top layer is not near 100%. The myc was nice fluffy white yesterday morning. Last night some of the myc looked soaked, I assume from condensation from the lid.
This morning I saw this?

If these are knots, do I just wait for pins and fruit?
I had planned on casing, but now?
Any suggestions would be appreciated. If these are knots what might have caused it, when the top layer is not nearly colonized?
Edited by Alwaysanoob (02/25/15 04:49 PM)
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Is that tub in fruiting conditions already? How long did you let it colonize for? You put an unmixed layer of just coir on top of your spawned coir? Correct me if I'm wrong but I always thought you'd still want that top layer at 100% before introducing it to fruiting conditions?
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Re: Are these knots? [Re: urthtown]
#21297497 - 02/19/15 08:27 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Looks weird for knots. Could be trich 
My tub from a few days ago... 
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urthtown said: Is that tub in fruiting conditions already? How long did you let it colonize for? You put an unmixed layer of just coir on top of your spawned coir? Correct me if I'm wrong but I always thought you'd still want that top layer at 100% before introducing it to fruiting conditions?
I let my top layers get to 100%, consolidate, case and fruit. Some people let their top layers get to 80%-90% colonized and then fruit.
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My guess is knots, but I agree with flabber that they do look also kind of like trich. Can you try taking a clearer picture for us?
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Re: Are these knots? [Re: Psilicon]
#21297632 - 02/19/15 08:59 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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That looks like trich very much to me it should b gettng agreen hue any moment now
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I agree - veg growth of trich
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Isolate that bad boy OP. If that's all the further along that tub is after 14 days of colonizing then something is screwed.
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Alwaysanoob
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The tub is not in fruiting conditions. It is taped up. I pasteurized CVG using improved bucket tek. Temp was above 140F after almost 90 minutes. I then removed the inner bucket and let it cool for approx 9 hours. I then spawned with 2.5 qts rye (100% colonized). Spawn looked and smelled good to my inexperienced eyes. I added a top layer of CVG on top of the spawn mixed with CVG. I tried to keep it 1/2 inch or less thick.
It has been colonizing for the last 14 days. Actually I have 3 tubs and they all are colonizing at about the same rate.
2 tubs spawned to CVG and 1 tub spawned to pre pasteurized hpoo/coir/verm/gypsum.
I will not be able to get home until tomorrow afternoon.
Edited by Alwaysanoob (02/19/15 11:38 AM)
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urthtown
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Doesn't bode well for things even if they are knots if it isn't 100% and it isn't in fruiting conditions.
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Quote:
wowimflabbergasted said: Looks weird for knots. Could be trich 
My tub from a few days ago... 
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Re: Are these knots? [Re: urthtown]
#21298478 - 02/19/15 11:52 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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urthtown said: Doesn't bode well for things even if they are knots if it isn't 100% and it isn't in fruiting conditions.
He has a top layer, which is another way of saying he has an early casing. And pins will form when the tub isn't in fruiting conditions--a lot of people consolidate until pins form, in fact.
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Re: Are these knots? [Re: Psilicon]
#21298568 - 02/19/15 12:05 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
van der griegen said:
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urthtown said: Doesn't bode well for things even if they are knots if it isn't 100% and it isn't in fruiting conditions.
He has a top layer, which is another way of saying he has an early casing. And pins will form when the tub isn't in fruiting conditions--a lot of people consolidate until pins form, in fact.
Ah I thought the top layer would get colonized more than it is here before seeing pins.
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Re: Are these knots? [Re: urthtown]
#21298741 - 02/19/15 12:40 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sorry bro but I would have to say that's 'ol trich daddy who showed up balling out in your tub.
If it were me, I would put it in another room that you don't use to grow or do anything important in then watch it really carefully.
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Re: Are these knots? [Re: Th3Issu3]
#21298954 - 02/19/15 01:16 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Looks more like Trich:
Trichoderma:

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Re: Are these knots? [Re: taGyo]
#21299077 - 02/19/15 01:41 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Looks like trich. My tub of indians just died from it. Same growth characteristics.
Edited by Mushroom_J (02/19/15 01:44 PM)
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Better pics!
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Alwaysanoob
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Re: Are these knots? [Re: Psilicon]
#21300286 - 02/19/15 06:14 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Seriously WTF!!
It was trich. It had spread over the last 14 hours and a small part started turning green. I took it to the garage and dumped it in a garbage bag. The site will not upload my photos right now.
Today it and my other coir tub were overtaken with cobweb mold. I sprayed the other tub with hydrogen peroxide, hoping it will come through.
The hpoo tub looks fine. The fact that the top layer is only 60% colonized at 14 days worries me though.
I go overboard on sterility. I know spawning is not sterile but being a noob I tried to minimize my risk. While I spawned in open air, I first bombed the place with neutra air, sprayed all surfaces with Lysol. Wiped the table, tubs, liner, and gloves with Iso. I even wore a surgical mask.
I find it odd that the coir tubs contaminated before the first flush but not the hpoo(at least yet).
Will the cobweb mold stay away once sprayed with hydrogen peroxide or does it usually come back?
Thanks for the help and warnings. I cancelled my plans to check on it. I will soak some more rye tonight.
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It was your spawn.
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Re: Are these knots? [Re: Psilicon]
#21301049 - 02/19/15 08:50 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
Alwaysanoob said: Seriously WTF!!
It was trich. It had spread over the last 14 hours and a small part started turning green. I took it to the garage and dumped it in a garbage bag. The site will not upload my photos right now.
Today it and my other coir tub were overtaken with cobweb mold. I sprayed the other tub with hydrogen peroxide, hoping it will come through.
The hpoo tub looks fine. The fact that the top layer is only 60% colonized at 14 days worries me though.
I go overboard on sterility. I know spawning is not sterile but being a noob I tried to minimize my risk. While I spawned in open air, I first bombed the place with neutra air, sprayed all surfaces with Lysol. Wiped the table, tubs, liner, and gloves with Iso. I even wore a surgical mask.
I find it odd that the coir tubs contaminated before the first flush but not the hpoo(at least yet).
Will the cobweb mold stay away once sprayed with hydrogen peroxide or does it usually come back?
Thanks for the help and warnings. I cancelled my plans to check on it. I will soak some more rye tonight.
Remember the smell. It'll help you in the future.
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Re: Are these knots? [Re: taGyo]
#21303503 - 02/20/15 11:25 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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van der griegen said: It was your spawn. 
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taGyo said:


We don't kno that it was the spawn. It sounds to me his pasteurisation temps and time were too low and too short .and if not it stills seems to me the error was made somewhere in the vicinity of or shortly thereafter the pasteurising procedure.acontaminant was introduced at this point or or possibly the chemicals used to prevent chaos actually became the cause of chaos. Long story short u screwed the pooch on this one bud
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Quote:
professorFATTYCAP said: We don't kno that it was the spawn. It sounds to me his pasteurisation temps and time were too low and too short .
Yeah? What temperature do you recommend for pasteurization?
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professorFATTYCAP said: and if not it stills seems to me the error was made somewhere in the vicinity of or shortly thereafter the pasteurising procedure.acontaminant was introduced at this point
Like sometime around...spawning?
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Re: Are these knots? [Re: Psilicon]
#21303699 - 02/20/15 12:05 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Are these knots? [Re: taGyo]
#21303836 - 02/20/15 12:34 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
taGyo said:

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Re: Are these knots? [Re: urthtown]
#21329338 - 02/25/15 05:05 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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I was gone 2 days and came back to this

I don't know what it is but I assume it goes outside then into a trash bag.
That's 2 of my 3 tubs. And they were both my CVG tubs. My last tub looks good and is almost 100% at 20 days.
I hear it must be my spawn but I honestly do not see where I made the mistake. I followed RR's Tek for rye berries. I PCed for 105 minutes at 15psi. I inoculated with ms in a SAB, gloves, tyvek sleeves, flame etc. My spawn jar lids were purchased from a sponsor(SHIP & SFD). To my inexperienced eyes they looked and smelled good.
I feel I actually went beyond the sterile procedure that a lot of people seem to use. I felt I was going overboard.
Where could I have messed up? Any help would be appreciated. I do not want to keep repeating my errors, but if I do not know what they were, I surely will with the same result.
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It's your syringe.
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