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OfflineMixomatosis
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the homeless.. dirty bums or clever bussinessmen?
    #2129550 - 11/22/03 09:19 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I figure you got two choices: You can get really rich and make millions of dollars or.. you can lower your standards. For example most of us would think a cardboard house was for the birds, but if you can pretend you like it, then you're in! And it's real cheap too.

In many ways a bum is a CEO in disguise. One bum gets together with another bum and the one bum shares his ketchup with the other bum who contributes mustard and you've got.. MERGER MANIA!

The bum is the master of his environment. The bum banks on humanity's unwillingness to let its lesser fellows die in the gutter. Investing in that aspect of humanity can be one of the most secure investmenst you could ever make.

So, instead of working all day, why don't you take that time to lower your standards and live on the street?


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Re: the homeless.. dirty bums or clever bussinessmen? [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2129851 - 11/23/03 02:04 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

cause then i'd be smelly. smellier than i already am.


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Re: the homeless.. dirty bums or clever bussinessmen? [Re: TODAY]
    #2129878 - 11/23/03 02:25 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I hate to see this sort of posting, especially in a spirituality forum :[ I was driving around the other day and had nothing to do, saw a homeless guy walking and decided to pull over and give him a ride-- He introduced himself and told me he just need to go up the block to an empty storage facility.

He told me he was a vietnam vet in the 101st airborn-- He also told me he has a son that is 26, living in California that never talks to him. He asked me if he thinks his son ever thinks about him..

He went on to say he had his own successful roofing company when he was in his thirties. I asked him what lead to this point in his life.. I could smell the alcohol on his breath, his extremely warn clothes and a torn backpack. He said he walked in on his wife of 15 years sleeping with another guy-- and he never was the same.

So when I hear comments like this it really upsets me. We all think that we are responsible for our own actions, that we are here today because of the choices we make-- I'm in college because I'm such a smart and gifted person-- But in reality, you could be this guy. You could be the guy that was forced to go to Vietnam who was ordered to take the lives of an entire family-- Imagine the look on their eyes as you blew their fucking heads off. How would you be after that?


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Re: the homeless.. dirty bums or clever bussinessmen? [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2129881 - 11/23/03 02:32 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

:nonono:


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Re: the homeless.. dirty bums or clever bussinessmen? [Re: trendal]
    #2129900 - 11/23/03 02:45 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Thank you for posting that f8L.

I'm also quite unimpressed with homeless bashing. People who are very close to me have been homeless in the past.


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OfflineMixomatosis
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Re: the homeless.. dirty bums or clever bussinessmen? [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #2129939 - 11/23/03 03:10 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

If I find anybody bashing homeless people I'll let him them know


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Offlineiamhimheisme
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Re: the homeless.. dirty bums or clever bussinessmen? [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #2129949 - 11/23/03 03:17 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

i dont think the point is homeless bashing, just bringing out the point that if one were so inclined they could relinquish most responsibility and, in addition to certain sacrifices, be taken care of by everyone else, 'freedom like a shopping cart.' anyways, homeless bashing isnt allright with me, but neither are people who stand on the street at ~25-30 yeras old in nice clothes begging for change claiming they were in vietnam. people that do that kinda piss me off.


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Re: the homeless.. dirty bums or clever bussinessmen? [Re: iamhimheisme]
    #2129967 - 11/23/03 03:48 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

home less people are cool. Thats why I beat them with my camrea,


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Re: the homeless.. dirty bums or clever bussinessmen? [Re: theshiftingwalls] * 1
    #2130030 - 11/23/03 05:13 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

jsut as experience goes, most homelss people make up stuff. actually a lot of people who aren't homeless make up stuff too.

alas, you never can really tell who is really the victim and who is the liar. there are so many good ones out there.


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Re: the homeless.. dirty bums or clever bussinessmen? [Re: f8L]
    #2130060 - 11/23/03 05:44 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

He told me he was a vietnam vet in the 101st airborn

Here's an eye-opening statistic for you: One quarter of the homeless are veterans.

Source: http://www.nchv.org/background.cfm


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Re: the homeless.. dirty bums or clever bussinessmen? [Re: Jellric]
    #2130176 - 11/23/03 10:00 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

i don't mean to discredit anyone, but where are their sources???


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.


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Re: the homeless.. dirty bums or clever bussinessmen? [Re: kaiowas]
    #2130321 - 11/23/03 12:28 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: the homeless.. dirty bums or clever bussinessmen? [Re: Jellric]
    #2130497 - 11/23/03 02:38 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Homeless people are oftentimes wise too. If you ever go on the run, hook up with the right homeless people and in less than a week you will have fake ID and a pocket full of foodstamps. Kinda good for such survival situations.


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Re: the homeless.. dirty bums or clever bussinessmen? [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2130843 - 11/23/03 07:18 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Personally I feel that most homeless people bring it on themselves. If you give a homeles person change are they gonna save it? are they gonna invest it into cleaning their clothes? are they gonna buy food with it? are they gonna do anything to better themsleves with it?

NO

They are gonna take it and buy alcohol or drugs. They are gonna take the money that you worked hard for and willingly gave up out of the kindness in your heart to get a high. THEN the taxes that are taken out of your paychecks are used so they can have foodstamps and shelter becuz they choose to use what little money they acquire begging in destructive ways.

I say fuck them. I don't work hard so some bum can get have his crack and eat too.

And whoever was talking about driving a homeless man who claims to have been in nam-that's just a CLAIM. Doesn't mean it actually happened. And if it DID happen-So he found his wife in bed with someone else. Happens everday. He could have gone to counseling. He was evendently well-off. he could have said 'see ya later bitch' and she would have gotten NOTHING cuz she committed adultry and life could have gone on. But he chose to become a drunk. He made the choice to let that happen.

I hate the fact that every two weeks I see hundreds of MY dollars, MY hard-earned HONEST MONEY go towards taxes and then I see low-life scum totally raping the system.


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Re: the homeless.. dirty bums or clever bussinessmen? [Re: StonedShroom]
    #2130848 - 11/23/03 07:21 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Wasn't Jesus homeless?


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Re: the homeless.. dirty bums or clever bussinessmen? [Re: Jellric]
    #2130858 - 11/23/03 07:25 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Wasn't Jesus a character in a book that we don't even know is fiction or not? :smirk:


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Re: the homeless.. dirty bums or clever bussinessmen? [Re: Jellric]
    #2130864 - 11/23/03 07:26 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Jellric said:
Wasn't Jesus homeless?




Jesus was the Man, boys and girls.

You can't speak in absolutes like that. There is always going to be at least one person that doesn't fit the generality.
Peace.


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Re: the homeless.. dirty bums or clever bussinessmen? [Re: StonedShroom]
    #2130866 - 11/23/03 07:27 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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NO

They are gonna take it and buy alcohol or drugs. They are gonna take the money that you worked hard for and willingly gave up out of the kindness in your heart to get a high.




I don't really give a fuck if they get high with some spare change I might throw thier way.

If I give someone money out of "the goodness of my heart", I don't care what they do with it.

If they would rather get high than eat, so be it. I will not judge them. No matter what.


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Re: the homeless.. dirty bums or clever bussinessmen? [Re: StonedShroom]
    #2130882 - 11/23/03 07:34 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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StonedShroom said:
Personally I feel that most homeless people bring it on themselves. If you give a homeles person change are they gonna save it? are they gonna invest it into cleaning their clothes? are they gonna buy food with it? are they gonna do anything to better themsleves with it?



INVEST it? BETTER themselves with it? WTF kind of money do you think they're making out there? And of course they're going to buy food. Do you really think they'll let themselves starve?

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They are gonna take it and buy alcohol or drugs.



So what? That's what I was gonna use the money for anyway.

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They are gonna take the money that you worked hard for and willingly gave up out of the kindness in your heart to get a high. THEN the taxes that are taken out of your paychecks are used so they can have foodstamps and shelter becuz they choose to use what little money they acquire begging in destructive ways.



When you develop an alcohol or drug addiction, tell me how easy it was for you to quit and how much self-control you had. kthx

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I say fuck them. I don't work hard so some bum can get have his crack and eat too.



If someone wants to get high, who am I to judge him? I like to get high too. Live and let live. You don't know what it's like for them, so don't go around judging others. No one said you have to give to them, but they're human beings, so have some compassion, ok?

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And whoever was talking about driving a homeless man who claims to have been in nam-that's just a CLAIM. Doesn't mean it actually happened. And if it DID happen-So he found his wife in bed with someone else. Happens everday. He could have gone to counseling. He was evendently well-off. he could have said 'see ya later bitch' and she would have gotten NOTHING cuz she committed adultry and life could have gone on. But he chose to become a drunk. He made the choice to let that happen.



See comments Re: alcoholism and self-control

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I hate the fact that every two weeks I see hundreds of MY dollars, MY hard-earned HONEST MONEY go towards taxes and then I see low-life scum totally raping the system.



My money goes to these guys too, but you don't see me bitchin about it, do ya? It's interesting to see a lesbian looking down on others and calling them scum when so many people look down on you for your sexual preference. Most homeless people have about as much control over their situation as you do over being a lesbian.


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Re: the homeless.. dirty bums or clever bussinessmen? [Re: StonedShroom]
    #2130902 - 11/23/03 07:44 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Wasn't Jesus a character in a book that we don't even know is fiction or not?

So then he's a homeless character in a book?


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Re: the homeless.. dirty bums or clever bussinessmen? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2130913 - 11/23/03 07:52 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Wasn't Jesus homeless?
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Jesus was the Man, boys and girls.

You can't speak in absolutes like that. There is always going to be at least one person that doesn't fit the generality.
Peace.
 




Umm, I wasn't making an absolute statement. That's why I put the little "?" on the end.  :wink:



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Re: the homeless.. dirty bums or clever bussinessmen? [Re: Jellric]
    #2130929 - 11/23/03 07:58 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Jellric said:
Umm, I wasn't making an absolute statement. That's why I put the little "?" on the end.  :wink:
 




Sorry, man, that wasn't directed at you, it is just that my right shoulder is all in pain for unknown reasons and I am sort of tired and consumed by conversations at the moment, and I was too lazy to open up a new window and copy the quote from that other guy. :grin:
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Re: the homeless.. dirty bums or clever bussinessmen? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2130933 - 11/23/03 08:00 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Np, btw if you're Jesus you can just forgive yourself and heal that shoulder in not time flat!


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Re: the homeless.. dirty bums or clever bussinessmen? [Re: Jellric]
    #2130944 - 11/23/03 08:07 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Np, btw if you're Jesus you can just forgive yourself and heal that shoulder in not time flat! 




You know, you're right!

I will now close my eyes and use my hands to run healing energy through my shoulder... I'll let ya'll know if it works or not. :grin:
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Re: the homeless.. dirty bums or clever bussinessmen? [Re: silversoul7]
    #2130979 - 11/23/03 08:22 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

OK so since they have an 'addiction' it's ok for them blow our money?

I say invest our money in detox for these scum socially-challanged people and get them off the streets and into stable environments.

I say that in order to receive any type of government assistance they have to pass drug tests or be in some sort of in-patient rehab.

And why does every feel the need to point out I'm a lesbian everytime I voice an opinion? What now just cuz I'm a lesbian my opinion isn't valid? You all think just just cuz I'm gay I don't have the human right to form an opinion? I can CHOOSE to live a straight 'normal' life just like homeless can choose to better themselves, but if I see a woman and I'm still attratched I didn't CHOOSE that. A homeless person can still CHOOSE whether or not he can spend that $5 i just gave him/her on something to better his/herself or to buy whatever drug of choice.

And if you were gonna spend your money on drugs anyway, then good for you. You earned that money. It's yours to do as you please, but doesn't it bother ANY that some lazy ass who spends his day beggin for change is spending your hard-earned money?? Another difference between you spending money on drugs and a homeless person spending money on drugs is you probably took care of your bills before you went out and got your sack. At least that's what a RESPONSIBLE person should do. And since you're on this site, this site that is to 'stop the misinformation about mushrooms' I would assume that you feel that responsible people should use drugs in responsible ways.


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Re: the homeless.. dirty bums or clever bussinessmen? [Re: StonedShroom]
    #2130986 - 11/23/03 08:29 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I'm tempted to go on a very long, very angry rant complete with caps and plenty of expletives. But it's not worth my time.

I'll leave it at this:

You know absolutely nothing about the subject and your comments were utterly ignorant and profane. Like I sad before I know people who were homeless and they certainly don't fit your disgusting arrogant assesment of thier worth. No to a great many of the people currently living on the streets. Even the ones who are there because of a drug habit don't deserve to be belittled like that. Have some compassion, look past the surface and consider that there is always a lot more to the story than you're seeing.


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StonedShroom said:
Personally I feel that most homeless people bring it on themselves. If you give a homeles person change are they gonna save it? are they gonna invest it into cleaning their clothes? are they gonna buy food with it? are they gonna do anything to better themsleves with it?

NO

They are gonna take it and buy alcohol or drugs. They are gonna take the money that you worked hard for and willingly gave up out of the kindness in your heart to get a high. THEN the taxes that are taken out of your paychecks are used so they can have foodstamps and shelter becuz they choose to use what little money they acquire begging in destructive ways.

I say fuck them. I don't work hard so some bum can get have his crack and eat too.

And whoever was talking about driving a homeless man who claims to have been in nam-that's just a CLAIM. Doesn't mean it actually happened. And if it DID happen-So he found his wife in bed with someone else. Happens everday. He could have gone to counseling. He was evendently well-off. he could have said 'see ya later bitch' and she would have gotten NOTHING cuz she committed adultry and life could have gone on. But he chose to become a drunk. He made the choice to let that happen.

I hate the fact that every two weeks I see hundreds of MY dollars, MY hard-earned HONEST MONEY go towards taxes and then I see low-life scum totally raping the system.




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Re: the homeless.. dirty bums or clever bussinessmen? [Re: StonedShroom]
    #2131002 - 11/23/03 08:37 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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StonedShroom said:
OK so since they have an 'addiction' it's ok for them blow our money?



If it's money that I give them, then I don't care what they spend it on.

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I say invest our money in detox for these scum socially-challanged people and get them off the streets and into stable environments.



I agree, but most people like you don't want their "hard-earned" cash going to helping these "scum" out.

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I say that in order to receive any type of government assistance they have to pass drug tests or be in some sort of in-patient rehab.



This has been proposed before. But you seriously underestimate the power of drug addiction. Sometimes it takes several tries in order to quit.

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And why does every feel the need to point out I'm a lesbian everytime I voice an opinion? What now just cuz I'm a lesbian my opinion isn't valid? You all think just just cuz I'm gay I don't have the human right to form an opinion? I can CHOOSE to live a straight 'normal' life just like homeless can choose to better themselves, but if I see a woman and I'm still attratched I didn't CHOOSE that. A homeless person can still CHOOSE whether or not he can spend that $5 i just gave him/her on something to better his/herself or to buy whatever drug of choice.



HOW THE FUCK IS HE GONNA "BETTER HIMSELF" WITH $5?!

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And if you were gonna spend your money on drugs anyway, then good for you. You earned that money. It's yours to do as you please, but doesn't it bother ANY that some lazy ass who spends his day beggin for change is spending your hard-earned money??



No, cuz you know what? I've got a comfortable, warm bed to go home to, and he doesn't. If I had to sleep in a cardboard box, I'd be trying to get fucked up too.

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Another difference between you spending money on drugs and a homeless person spending money on drugs is you probably took care of your bills before you went out and got your sack. At least that's what a RESPONSIBLE person should do.



What bills does he have to pay? He sleeps in a cardboard box. He's got two things to worry about: food and drugs. He can't get a job most places cuz no one wants to hire a bum. His only hope for a home is if he finds a friend willing to let him stay with them. Trust me, I've had friends who were homeless before.

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And since you're on this site, this site that is to 'stop the misinformation about mushrooms' I would assume that you feel that responsible people should use drugs in responsible ways.



Yes, and your point being?...


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Re: the homeless.. dirty bums or clever bussinessmen? [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #2131003 - 11/23/03 08:38 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

NiamhNyx, there is an exception to every rule. I'm sure there are homeless out there who have just had a shitty hand delt to them, and deserve help and forgiveness. There are also scheming homeless who are just trying to drown their sorrows. Now who deserves compassion? They all deserve compassion, but they can also choose to try their best to help themselves. This may not always work, and my heart goes out to those who are trying to get out, and circumstance is not helping. Really tho, the wholw problem points to a greater problem in perception, goals and orientation in our society. Just me personnally, I think this world has too many damn people on it, and if there was less, let's say a tribal sort of society, but still intellectually supportive and developive (is that even a word?) many of our society's most saddening problems would disappear, or at least be less.


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Re: the homeless.. dirty bums or clever bussinessmen? [Re: Entelle]
    #2131012 - 11/23/03 08:40 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

and also, this discussion is getting really combative. Chill guys! no-one is gonna benefit by us getting pissy at each other.


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Re: the homeless.. dirty bums or clever bussinessmen? [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #2131013 - 11/23/03 08:41 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

you know people who WERE homeless.

WERE homeless.

obviously the people you know do not fit into the category I'm talking about.

I'm not belittling them, I'm just tired of seeing my money be wasted.

You act like these people deserve respect. They don't even respect THEMSELVES so why am I looked down upon when I don't respect them?


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Re: the homeless.. dirty bums or clever bussinessmen? [Re: StonedShroom]
    #2131021 - 11/23/03 08:45 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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you know people who WERE homeless.

WERE homeless.

obviously the people you know do not fit into the category I'm talking about.



You obviously don't even know what you're talking about. Homelessness is usually a temporary condition, and those who stay in such a condition permanently are most likely unable to work or find shelter. Think about it: why would ANYONE want to stay homeless the rest of their lives?

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You act like these people deserve respect. They don't even respect THEMSELVES so why am I looked down upon when I don't respect them?



What makes you think they don't respect themselves? Have you talked to all of them? God, you're such a bigot and you don't even realize it.


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Re: the homeless.. dirty bums or clever bussinessmen? [Re: silversoul7]
    #2131024 - 11/23/03 08:47 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

silversoul7, follow your own mantra-thingie.
chill man!
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Re: the homeless.. dirty bums or clever bussinessmen? [Re: StonedShroom]
    #2131030 - 11/23/03 08:51 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

They don't even respect THEMSELVES

What's this? DARE propaganda? How do you respect yourself? What is 'you'? How do you know that 'you' deserve respect?

This 'respect yourself' bullshit is a strange American mantra. No wonder you're a nation on prozac and therapy. I don't respect myself, and I'm doing fine.


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Re: the homeless.. dirty bums or clever bussinessmen? [Re: silversoul7]
    #2131035 - 11/23/03 08:53 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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If it's money that I give them, then I don't care what they spend it on.




what about the money that's taken out of your paycheck that the government just takes without asking if you want it taken out or not?

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I agree, but most people like you don't want their "hard-earned" cash going to helping these "scum" out.




If i knew 100% of my money would go towards feeding their body, minds and souls and NOT towards feeding their addictions then I wouldn't gripe about it.

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This has been proposed before. But you seriously underestimate the power of drug addiction. Sometimes it takes several tries in order to quit.




which is why it's most important to get them CLEAN!!


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HOW THE FUCK IS HE GONNA "BETTER HIMSELF" WITH $5?!




I gave him $5. The a couple people before me gave him $2. the person after me gave him 75 cents. 6 people tossed him a quarter. That's $11.25 in one hour. He's making as much money as me and he doesn't even get taxes taken out of it. Every little bit counts.

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No, cuz you know what? I've got a comfortable, warm bed to go home to, and he doesn't. If I had to sleep in a cardboard box, I'd be trying to get fucked up too.



I think if I lived in a cardboard box i would have that much more incentive to make myself better, to help myself. I think I would say 'dammit, I like sleeping in a warm bed better than I like getting high'

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What bills does he have to pay? He sleeps in a cardboard box. He's got two things to worry about: food and drugs. He can't get a job most places cuz no one wants to hire a bum. His only hope for a home is if he finds a friend willing to let him stay with them. Trust me, I've had friends who were homeless before.




HE HAS NO BILLS that's my POINT. If I sat out on the street for a week averaging 11.25 an hour you bet I'd use that little bit of money to get someplace warm to sleep or a nice change of clothes to go to a job interview

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And since you're on this site, this site that is to 'stop the misinformation about mushrooms' I would assume that you feel that responsible people should use drugs in responsible ways.



Yes, and your point being?...




my point is these are not responsible people and they are not using drugs responsibly


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Re: the homeless.. dirty bums or clever bussinessmen? [Re: muhurgle]
    #2131057 - 11/23/03 09:03 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

It's not DARE propaganda

if anything it's some phrase that schools make up to help instill positive action into kids.... But why is it such a bad thing to teach kids to be positive? They're too young to be told 'meh, the world sucks. 50% of you will be divorced. Another 25% of you won't even finish high school.' GOD don't be so pessimistic.

ANYway back on the topic... self-respect is NOT American war against drugs shit... isn't it taught to some degree in just about every belief system?


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Re: the homeless.. dirty bums or clever bussinessmen? [Re: Entelle]
    #2131059 - 11/23/03 09:04 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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NiamhNyx, there is an exception to every rule. I'm sure there are homeless out there who have just had a shitty hand delt to them, and deserve help and forgiveness. There are also scheming homeless who are just trying to drown their sorrows. Now who deserves compassion? They all deserve compassion, but they can also choose to try their best to help themselves. This may not always work, and my heart goes out to those who are trying to get out, and circumstance is not helping. Really tho, the wholw problem points to a greater problem in perception, goals and orientation in our society. Just me personnally, I think this world has too many damn people on it, and if there was less, let's say a tribal sort of society, but still intellectually supportive and developive (is that even a word?) many of our society's most saddening problems would disappear, or at least be less.




I completely agree with you.

And as far as this argument goes I think Silversoul has pretty much covered what I would have said myself.


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Re: the homeless.. dirty bums or clever bussinessmen? [Re: StonedShroom]
    #2131063 - 11/23/03 09:06 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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what about the money that's taken out of your paycheck that the government just takes without asking if you want it taken out or not?



Welfare? Sure, there's lots of people who abuse the system, but here's a little news flash for you: Not all homeless people are on welfare, and it just shows your blind hatred for these people to assume that they are.

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If i knew 100% of my money would go towards feeding their body, minds and souls and NOT towards feeding their addictions then I wouldn't gripe about it.



But lots of people do, and that's why it's not being done.

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which is why it's most important to get them CLEAN!!



Fine, but in the mean-time, why not get them something to eat?

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I gave him $5. The a couple people before me gave him $2. the person after me gave him 75 cents. 6 people tossed him a quarter. That's $11.25 in one hour. He's making as much money as me and he doesn't even get taxes taken out of it. Every little bit counts.



Oh, well then I guess he can just go buy a house with that money, can't he?

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I think if I lived in a cardboard box i would have that much more incentive to make myself better, to help myself. I think I would say 'dammit, I like sleeping in a warm bed better than I like getting high'



So, how's he supposed to find a warm bed? Get a job? I think I already explained the problem with that.

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HE HAS NO BILLS that's my POINT. If I sat out on the street for a week averaging 11.25 an hour you bet I'd use that little bit of money to get someplace warm to sleep or a nice change of clothes to go to a job interview



First of all, I seriously doubt most of them are averaging 11.25 an hour. Second of all, I'm a college student from an upper-middle class family, and it's hard enough for ME to find a job. How do you expect these people to do it? And finding a warm place to sleep? I'm still reliant on my parents, and can't imagine renting an apartment with a minimum wage job, let alone none at all.

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my point is these are not responsible people and they are not using drugs responsibly



So they made a mistake, and it's hard for them to get out of it. What, you've never made a mistake in your life? People who've made mistakes don't deserve a second chance?


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Re: the homeless.. dirty bums or clever bussinessmen? [Re: StonedShroom]
    #2131066 - 11/23/03 09:08 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I've met alot of homeless people who never use drugs or alcohol. Alot. Alot of them probably live more in a week than most do in a year. Not all homeless are bums/beggers.


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    #2131076 - 11/23/03 09:13 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

my point exactly. there are no fixed rules or definitions to homeless, except to be without a home. im sure some people choose to do so, but not in the conventional sense of homeless. think nomadic tribes. i think there is a bit of arguing over completely different things. are you guys more interested in arguing? or in having a conversation? no-one is right, no-one is wrong, we all just see things in this world, and this includes me.


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Re: the homeless.. dirty bums or clever bussinessmen? [Re: silversoul7]
    #2131086 - 11/23/03 09:21 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Welfare? Sure, there's lots of people who abuse the system, but here's a little news flash for you: Not all homeless people are on welfare, and it just shows your blind hatred for these people to assume that they are.




I don't have blind hatred towards these people. I'm just a little upset that they abuse a system that's meant to help them

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But lots of people do, and that's why it's not being done.




it's not being done cuz we gripe about it? So we're supposed to just sit here and quetly let them steal our money and maybe one day someone will be like 'oh you know what? maybe should being that with the money instead of this'?

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Fine, but in the mean-time, why not get them something to eat?




how long is this 'mean-time' gonna last? I mean we've had a homeless problem for what? At least 21 years, as long as I've been alive.

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Oh, well then I guess he can just go buy a house with that money, can't he?




no. but he can pay something called RENT.

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So, how's he supposed to find a warm bed? Get a job? I think I already explained the problem with that.




it's a viscious cycle. cant get a job cuz no one will hire him. no one will hire him cuz he doesn't look presentable. he doesn't look presentable cuz he doesn't have a job. somewhere the chain has to break and changes need to be made...

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First of all, I seriously doubt most of them are averaging 11.25 an hour. Second of all, I'm a college student from an upper-middle class family, and it's hard enough for ME to find a job. How do you expect these people to do it? And finding a warm place to sleep? I'm still reliant on my parents, and can't imagine renting an apartment with a minimum wage job, let alone none at all.




ok so I don't know what it's like to be homeless. well guess what? you don't know what it's like being independant. Maybe once you get out and struggle and work 12 hour shifts waiting tables for $2.13 an hour just to pay rent you would understand why I think these people are lazy. I fuckin bit the bullet and worked my ass off, why can't they? You start off on the bottom and work your way up. Now I have a good job that pays more in two weeks than used to make in two months. Everyone struggles

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So they made a mistake, and it's hard for them to get out of it. What, you've never made a mistake in your life? People who've made mistakes don't deserve a second chance?




yes they deserve a second chance. maybe even a third or fourth or 20th chance. whatever gets them off the streets... but that has got to BEGIN with them actually putting effort into it


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Re: the homeless.. dirty bums or clever bussinessmen? [Re: StonedShroom]
    #2131098 - 11/23/03 09:28 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

silversoul7, stonedshroom, quit yer bickerin'

you both say the same thing.

homeless should not be homeless and destitute. other stuff is just personal opinion. instead of repeating yopur argument over and over, changed only a bit for every line the other writes, start an intelligent conversation focussing on progress, not "im right so ha"


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Re: the homeless.. dirty bums or clever bussinessmen? [Re: StonedShroom]
    #2131100 - 11/23/03 09:29 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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And why does every feel the need to point out I'm a lesbian everytime I voice an opinion? What now just cuz I'm a lesbian my opinion isn't valid? You all think just just cuz I'm gay I don't have the human right to form an opinion?




its pointed out because one would think that as a member of a minority group widely looked down upon, you would have more compassion to those in similar situations. the homeless are portrayed unfairly and in an extremely negative light. so what if some of them have trouble with addiction, the only difference between them and some middle-aged housewife addicted to benzos is the financial situation. so what if your money is used by the homeless to buy drugs instead of food, would you rather buy arms for the military? thats probably the second place it would go...

so if you are pissed off because your money is being wasted, why the fuck are you giving these people money? buy them some food instead if you have a problem with their drug use.


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Re: the homeless.. dirty bums or clever bussinessmen? [Re: Entelle]
    #2131113 - 11/23/03 09:33 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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silversoul7, stonedshroom, quit yer bickerin'

you both say the same thing.

homeless should not be homeless and destitute.  other stuff is just personal opinion.  instead of repeating yopur argument over and over, changed only a bit for every line the other writes, start an intelligent conversation focussing on progress, not "im right so ha" 




:crazy: you do have a point there.


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    #2131128 - 11/23/03 09:40 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Welfare? Sure, there's lots of people who abuse the system, but here's a little news flash for you: Not all homeless people are on welfare, and it just shows your blind hatred for these people to assume that they are.




I don't have blind hatred towards these people. I'm just a little upset that they abuse a system that's meant to help them



And how do you do define abuse in this case? Doing drugs? So just cuz they're on the streets they can't get fucked up like the rest of us?

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But lots of people do, and that's why it's not being done.




it's not being done cuz we gripe about it? So we're supposed to just sit here and quetly let them steal our money and maybe one day someone will be like 'oh you know what? maybe should being that with the money instead of this'?



Ok, I don't understand what you just said, but you see, people VOTE on things called "ballot measures" which sometimes have to do with things like this, and most voters don't want to vote on things that will use their tax dollars to help out some "scumbags."

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Fine, but in the mean-time, why not get them something to eat?




how long is this 'mean-time' gonna last? I mean we've had a homeless problem for what? At least 21 years, as long as I've been alive.



And do you think that those homeless people are the same ones that were there 21 years ago? BTW, homelessness has existed since THE BEGINNING OF MANKIND, not just 21 years. It existed long before they ever got any of your "hard-earned" tax dollars, and it's never going to go away completely. I'm talking about individual homeless people who have problems that they're working to overcome. BTW, the average welfare recipient only stays on welfare for about 2 1/2 years, and does so because they unexpectedly have a child that they can't afford to raise, not because of some drug or alcohol addiction.

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Oh, well then I guess he can just go buy a house with that money, can't he?




no. but he can pay something called RENT.



Which he has to pay EVERY MONTH. That's easier said than done.

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So, how's he supposed to find a warm bed? Get a job? I think I already explained the problem with that.




it's a viscious cycle. cant get a job cuz no one will hire him. no one will hire him cuz he doesn't look presentable. he doesn't look presentable cuz he doesn't have a job. somewhere the chain has to break and changes need to be made...



Ya, and you think people never get out of homelessness? Some people just need time to get back on their feet, and in the meantime, they don't need your holier-than-thou condescending attitude, ok?

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First of all, I seriously doubt most of them are averaging 11.25 an hour. Second of all, I'm a college student from an upper-middle class family, and it's hard enough for ME to find a job. How do you expect these people to do it? And finding a warm place to sleep? I'm still reliant on my parents, and can't imagine renting an apartment with a minimum wage job, let alone none at all.




ok so I don't know what it's like to be homeless. well guess what? you don't know what it's like being independant. Maybe once you get out and struggle and work 12 hour shifts waiting tables for $2.13 an hour just to pay rent you would understand why I think these people are lazy. I fuckin bit the bullet and worked my ass off, why can't they? You start off on the bottom and work your way up. Now I have a good job that pays more in two weeks than used to make in two months. Everyone struggles



So you started from the bottom, eh? Does that mean you were homeless? You had to have some sort of starting point, and I bet you were dependent on someone at some point along the way. Like you said: You don't know what it's like to be homeless.

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So they made a mistake, and it's hard for them to get out of it. What, you've never made a mistake in your life? People who've made mistakes don't deserve a second chance?




yes they deserve a second chance. maybe even a third or fourth or 20th chance. whatever gets them off the streets... but that has got to BEGIN with them actually putting effort into it



And what makes you think they're not putting effort into it? I've worked at soup kitchens before and seen these people come in after job interviews. I've seen them struggle, and it's not fucking easy. I suggest you stop using stereotypes and look at thing the way they are.


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Re: the homeless.. dirty bums or clever bussinessmen? [Re: silversoul7]
    #2131145 - 11/23/03 09:47 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

k, this is getting ridiculous. a quote of a quote, and a righteously angry remark to back it up. nO-ONE IS RIGHT!!


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    #2131148 - 11/23/03 09:48 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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    #2131159 - 11/23/03 09:53 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Angry? Who's angry? I'm just trying to show her that reality doesn't match up with her stereotypes.


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    #2131160 - 11/23/03 09:54 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

and she is trying to do the same. feel compassion, cuz you are both right, and yet no-one is right. its just opinions


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    #2131165 - 11/23/03 09:56 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

It's not just opinions. It's facts vs. stereotypes.


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    #2131170 - 11/23/03 09:58 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

and she has facts and such to back up her POV. and opinion. and i think it is your opinion, cuz everything in this world is defined to our person as our perceptions render it. i think the page is brown, but that is just my opinion, or is it my settings?


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Re: the homeless.. dirty bums or clever bussinessmen? [Re: silversoul7]
    #2131172 - 11/23/03 10:00 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

ah.. case closed.


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    #2131177 - 11/23/03 10:01 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

As long as we both have facts to back up our opinions, I see no reason to stop this debate, just because you falsely claim "it's just opinions." If you don't like debate, then stay out of it. I, on the other hand, prefer to clear up misconceptions, of which she has plenty.


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Re: the homeless.. dirty bums or clever bussinessmen? [Re: silversoul7]
    #2131179 - 11/23/03 10:02 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Ok Entelle, you've said it a thousand times. Saying the exact same thing in a thousand posts, when no one paid attention the first few times, isn't going to do much good.

And I agree that it isn't just opinions. There is such a thing as being more informed or basing your assesment on more facts than the person you're arguing with.


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Re: the homeless.. dirty bums or clever bussinessmen? [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #2131187 - 11/23/03 10:06 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

All true. I guess I'll just butt out then. Just trying to be a peace maker. I think there is a better conversation in this than there has been so far, thats all.


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Re: the homeless.. dirty bums or clever bussinessmen? [Re: Entelle]
    #2131245 - 11/23/03 10:39 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

meh

As someone stated earlier we both have opinions so no need to go through and one-up each other. You won't ever see my POV I won't ever see yours.

So we have opposing opinions. I'm tired of having to repeat myself. And that quote-by-quote thing is dumb and tedious.

You don't know what it's like to be completely independant, I don't know what it's like to be homeless.

OH, BTW, when I started out 'on my own' when I was 18 I wasn't homeless, but I wasn't dependant. Only time I was ever 'dependant' after I moved out was last winter when I was FORCED to move back in my parents. (they literally came one saturday and moved my shit) They wanted to get me away from the drugs my roomie was selling/doing but brought me home where they had a medicine cabinate FULL of forgotten pills. And even then I still had a job. They didn't pay for shit, except for electricity and phone (no rent, they own their house) Well, I think I used their house phone like 3 or 4 times the entire time i was there, I mostly used my cell which i pay. And they were gonna pay for those things if i was there or not so i don't see it as them supporting me. I also got out of there ASAP cuz I see living with your parents over age of 18/19 as weak. Unless you're still in high school or have some type of disease/illness, of course. Oh and don't use college as an excuse cuz I paid for my own college BY MYSELF for two years. $300-$400 pymts a month. No loans. No grants. Just pure hard work. I worked 50+ hours a week at a crappy-ass server job and went to school as a full-time student and still kept a 3.5 GPA.

That's why I don't buy this feel sorry for the homeless BS for one second. I worked hard, why can't they?


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Re: the homeless.. dirty bums or clever bussinessmen? [Re: StonedShroom]
    #2131255 - 11/23/03 10:47 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

speaking as one who is going to college, and working one crappy-ass server job for min wage, and paying minimal rent to a compassionate friend, getting help from the parents for tuition: how the hell did you pull that off? I cant imagine.


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Re: the homeless.. dirty bums or clever bussinessmen? [Re: Entelle]
    #2131269 - 11/23/03 11:00 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

two words: ripped fuel... AKA OTC crank back in the day when it had ephedra

LOL just kidding.

I have too much pride. I hated the small rural meth-infested hypocritical town I lived in and I swore the day I turned 18 that I would make myself better than ANYONE who ever had the misfortune of being born there. I swore it wouldn't suck me in. And I let it be known I hated-no LOATHED-everyone there (minus family, of course). I want people to feel inferior when they were around me... not in a classic narcissistic way-but in a shameful way like "Damn, we came from the same place, but she made something of her life while I wasted mine away"

If it makes you feel any better last fall I 'took time off' school cuz I had a REALLY bad break-up and abused pharms. That lasted for like 2 months then I was like "I'm gonna turn into everyone else" and I snapped out of it. I will return to school fall '04 to complete my BS in biology... well technically microbiology. then I'll start a program to become a lab technician. Hopefully in the next year or so my aunt can get me on the job training in the lab cuz she does the same thing I want to do.

Uhm to narrow it down: pride, determination, vengence, and legal crank :smirk: 


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Re: the homeless.. dirty bums or clever bussinessmen? [Re: StonedShroom]
    #2131338 - 11/23/03 11:33 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

You should worry about your government taking your money, more than some starving homeless guy on the street. Tax you before you get paid, when you buy something, and tax you for owning it. The biggest budget in Amerikkka right now is the military. So sleep happy knowing that your hard-earned money went into a 140 million dollar missile to murder some innocent family..erm.. 'scum'.. halfway across the world, instead of helping a fellow human next door get a bite to eat..god forbid.

Your best personal experience with being homeless was after high school when you were 'forced' to go live with your parents. So you had free rent, electricity, and phone, and that was the closest to homeless you've come? Some of these people wish they were that lucky.

Not all homeless people are 'scumbags', addicted to drugs, who haven't worked hard their whole lives. In fact I find about the opposite to be true, many homeless people are in fact very hard workers. There are many different reasons for a person being homeless, laziness is one, but I guarantee you that's not the leading cause.

Unless you've been there, I would suggest keeping such hateful and judgemental opinions to yourself. How many homeless people have you known personally?

A good many homeless are disabled from past wars, and the military has not provided them with coverage, because they are too busy burning it on the next weapon of mass destruction. Most of the homeless people I know/have known, got that way because they got FUCKED IN THE ASS (not literally..), not because they didn't work hard, not because they were addicted to drugs, just because one day they woke up and found their life was gone. In fact most homeless turn to drugs after living on the street for a while, not the other way around.. you go live on the street for a month and come back with that same attitude.

So you don't know what it's like to be homeless. I find that interesting considering how vocal you are on the subject... lumping them all into the category of 'worthless, drug-addicted, scumbag'

Some people don't have the luxury of having 'parents' to go live with, or ones that even care about them for that matter. I have friends who were homeless for years, because their parents did not care about them and kicked them out at the age of 14. You want hard work? Try working in a field for 12 hours a day every day, making below minimum wage, not going to school, just to support yourself for food and clothes. Rent isn't even an option, it's just finding a warm place to sleep. That's just one scenario out of thousands.

I could go on and on.. but it's probably pointless.



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Re: the homeless.. dirty bums or clever bussinessmen? [Re: Shroomism]
    #2131372 - 11/23/03 11:59 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Excellent post, Shroomism!  I'd give you 5 shrooms now if I hadn't already done so. :cool:


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Re: the homeless.. dirty bums or clever bussinessmen? [Re: silversoul7]
    #2131386 - 11/24/03 12:11 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Well I didn't read this entire thread, but I have had a few encounters with the homeless here in Atlanta. I have had them try and scam me countless times. I have had a homeless guy (I actually had this happen to me twice) try and take my wallet while I was trying to get some money to give him. I had a homeless guy shit on my car when I refused to give him money. Things like that make me not want to help the homeless, but I try and help them anyway. I think the bad homeless are turning everyone else off to the rest of them.


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Re: the homeless.. dirty bums or clever bussinessmen? [Re: z@z.com]
    #2131408 - 11/24/03 12:22 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

I think the bad homeless are turning everyone else off to the rest of them.



The same could be said for any group of people.


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Re: the homeless.. dirty bums or clever bussinessmen? [Re: z@z.com]
    #2131417 - 11/24/03 12:26 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

In california, Good old Reagan kicked all of the mental patients out onto the streets. Why has no one brought this up? Many, especially in Berkeley, are mentally unstable individuals who got kicked out. We fucked em, now you hate them.


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Re: the homeless.. dirty bums or clever bussinessmen? [Re: z@z.com]
    #2131435 - 11/24/03 12:41 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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z@z.com said:
I had a homeless guy shit on my car when I refused to give him money. Things like that make me not want to help the homeless, but I try and help them anyway. I think the bad homeless are turning everyone else off to the rest of them.




TheCow has a point with the mental state of some homeless people. living on the street and whatever put you there would be some shit to live with, i cant imagine anyone who lives there for too long stays very mentally sound. the 'bad homeless' are just people looking out for themselves because there arent many people looking out for them. whether they do this in a way that is acceptable to others or not is a different story, but put yourself in that situation, what would you do?


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Re: the homeless.. dirty bums or clever bussinessmen? [Re: iamhimheisme]
    #2131442 - 11/24/03 12:49 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I'd start shitting on cars!



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Re: the homeless.. dirty bums or clever bussinessmen? [Re: TheCow]
    #2131485 - 11/24/03 01:18 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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In california, Good old Reagan kicked all of the mental patients out onto the streets. Why has no one brought this up? Many, especially in Berkeley, are mentally unstable individuals who got kicked out. We fucked em, now you hate them.



I didn't fuck anyone nor do I hate anyone.


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Re: the homeless.. dirty bums or clever bussinessmen? [Re: z@z.com]
    #2132885 - 11/24/03 05:53 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

the homeless are just like every other group out there. there is no certain criteria for being homeless, cept no home. im sure there are ass homeless (car shitters) and real nice guys just trying to do the best thing.


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Re: the homeless.. dirty bums or clever bussinessmen? [Re: Entelle]
    #2133412 - 11/24/03 10:07 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

As of right now, I enjoy a lot of support from my parents. It wasn't always like that. Before I patched things up with my folks and started going to school, I lived in the ghetto for about a year, working at a grocery store and pushin mad dope just to get by. I lived around a lot of homeless people back then.

Now, for the record, I will say that I think most of the homeless are decent people that got bad breaks in life, and deserve support. But just for the sake of providing some contrary data, I'll tell you about a few encounters with the shadier homeless I've met:

1. My old roomate, Rusty. I lived with this dude for about two years. We worked together, lived together, and sold dope together. One day he skips out on his rent and blows town. He got tired of treading water and went to live with his mom in Florida. Stuck me with a lot of bills. 3 months later his mom kicks him out because he refused to get a job. Out of the goodness of my heart I let him stay with me for free when he came back. I even fronted him a QP to help him get back on his feet. Instead of going out and looking for a job, he sat on my couch, ate my food, and smoked my weed for 2 months. So I kicked him out, realizing I wasnt helping him at all. I was out a QP, too. After that he just wandered the streets, causing trouble. After about a year, everyone hated his ass- he'd burned and used all his friends so no one wanted anything to do with him. I see him sometimes, downtown- he's a total junkie- doin anything and everything he can get his hands on. One time he huffed all the frion out of my friends air conditioner.

2. Downtown crackheads- These are the people that just keep pestering you for money, scamming and stealing whenever they can. Shady dudes that sell bunk drugs and fake parking passes to dumb yuppies. Downtown in the party district, where all the clubs are, these people feed off drunkeness and stupidity.

3. Once a homeless dude tried to rob me for my last $5, which only made his situation worse when I unleashed a rain of Kung-fu skill on his crackhead ass.

4. One of my girl friends mom was a flight attendant. Every day she would see the same bum outside the terminal, and she always put a dollar in his cup. Then one day, she was waiting on the people in first class, and she saw the bum in a first class airline seat, shaved, clean, and wearing very nice clothes. She quit giving him money after that.


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Re: the homeless.. dirty bums or clever bussinessmen? [Re: kaiowas]
    #18156541 - 04/23/13 07:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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jsut as experience goes, most homelss people make up stuff.  actually a lot of people who aren't homeless make up stuff too. 

alas, you never can really tell who is really the victim and who is the liar.  there are so many good ones out there. 




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