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TheInternetPolice
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Re: Alcohol to kill living mold and spores? [Re: Psilicon]
#21292657 - 02/18/15 09:23 AM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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yes.. but the idea remains to evap the acetone out before mixing the spores up with the substrate its all about whether the spores can take the acetone or not anyways, ethanol and other solvents should be capable of pulling plasticizers out of the plastics just aswell
mostly i see plastic 'tubs' made of PP, poly propylene and googling it shortly doesnt turn much up about plasticizers in PP
having alcohol or whatever IN the tub while growing it would be a bad idea anyways, as it usually kills organics, such as bacteria and mushrooms
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Polypropylene can handle acetone. Many of them are actually polyethylene, though, and none of the ones I have are marked. I shattered one like a dumbass a few weeks ago, and it broke like polyethylene does, rather than polypropylene, so take that for what you will. Again, go ahead and try it. Post your results. I don't care.
Isopropryl alochol doesn't fog my SAB. I use it all the time, as do many other members. It's as clear as the day I bought it.
I don't understand what you're talking about with evaporating. Wait, you want to mix acetone into your substrate to kill contaminants, and then evaporate it out? Is that it?
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Re: Alcohol to kill living mold and spores? [Re: Psilicon]
#21293375 - 02/18/15 12:26 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes. my idea is to disinfect perhaps even the entire dried up shroom heads using acetone supposing it wouldnt form a gel (which could regardless be flattered out and dried up, crushed to a powder and be used as spores) the acetone could simply be evaporated off without using vacuum, im talking about process optimization, i can get acetone at about 20% the price of IPA, also..
managed to get hold of a 16L box today, and as i suspected it is PP, polyethylene should do just fine aswell as there are different density ranges in which determines how it behaves, lower densities are less durable but more soft higher density poly ethylene are oftenly used for storing the most harsh chemicals you can come close to, im thinking you mean PVC and other types of plastic to be used with plasticizers, which makes me wonder.. such plastics are prone to degrade and release smaller amounts of chronically toxic compounds, wouldnt this at one point affect your substrate supposing you can keep it clean for a time going towards infinity?
usually you can find a small mark on the bottom of a plastic container saying either a number of short abbreviation for the plastic type
or well actually, about your main question.. no, i wouldnt mix it into my substrate as i imagine it would get tricky to evap back out and keeping it clean during and after the process, im only using it for removing contaminants from the spores and / or shroom heads that would contain the spores, that will go into the substrate mix.
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Yes, as you say, the density does have a difference in whether it will be melted entirely. But I assure you, polyethylene will fog if acetone is applied.
Why would you want to chemically disinfect your dried mushrooms? I don't even understand.
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Re: Alcohol to kill living mold and spores? [Re: Psilicon]
#21293613 - 02/18/15 01:16 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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well i mean to have read something about dead shrooms in a grow tub can cause troublems as they tend to rot, supposing that when im drying out the shroom tops i would gather a decent portion of bacterias as im simply using radiator, although its only exposed to more or less stillstanding air for approx 18H
but one of my goals is to avoid having alcohol or any other solvents in the substrate /& tub
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Do you mean aborts? They don't cause rot. The mycelium will actually just reabsorb them.
A radiator? You might want to splurge and buy a box fan, man.
I agree that no alcohol or any other solvents in the subtrate or tub is a very good policy.
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Re: Alcohol to kill living mold and spores? [Re: Psilicon]
#21293638 - 02/18/15 01:22 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well I must say that I did not know that alcohol did not kill spores and that bleach (chlorine based) does.
Why aren't we rather using bleach as opposed to alcohol? Bleach is even cheaper. Albeit, it does leave a bit of a mess behind
@Internet Police, when the mushrooms are ready to be harvested you will pick them and then dry them outside of the fruiting chamber / tub. You should not leave ready mushrooms inside the tub, therefore there should be no rotting mushrooms inside. Using alcohol to clean "dry" mushrooms seems silly to me. Spore prints would be taken when the mushrooms are still wet. When they are dry you will just be eating them and your body is more than capable of handling any bacteria which might be on them. I am sure you consume a lot worse from fast food places.
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Re: Alcohol to kill living mold and spores? [Re: PsyCLown89]
#21293654 - 02/18/15 01:25 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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PsyCLown89 said: Why aren't we rather using bleach as opposed to alcohol? Bleach is even cheaper. Albeit, it does leave a bit of a mess behind
Some do. I used bleach in my SAB for a while before switching to isopropyl because of the film the appeared on the walls. I hated cleaning it every use.
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Re: Alcohol to kill living mold and spores? [Re: Psilicon]
#21293712 - 02/18/15 01:36 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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the point wouldnt be to ingest the shrooms that i clean with alcohol, im managed to build up an dangerously powerful immune defense system not because i want all my food sanitarized
anyhow i did in the start place a computer fan ontop of the aluminium tray the mushrooms was placed in to dry out but i feel like its really just abit too much, when i get larger handfulls to dry out at once ill simply use oven Solutions i purpose, a chemist i am.
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The fan isn't too much. You want moving air to dry your mushrooms, and the more the better.
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Re: Alcohol to kill living mold and spores? [Re: Psilicon]
#21293832 - 02/18/15 02:08 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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mhm.. i dont get the critical part when it comes to using fan vs not using one, when i see a constant weight i take them as being done, they usually crumble apart with ease when they have stable weight
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Yes, that's true. But the fan dries them faster, and the shorter the time between picking and dehydrating, the less potency is lost.
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Re: Alcohol to kill living mold and spores? [Re: Psilicon]
#21293862 - 02/18/15 02:15 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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ah really? talking process optimization, from the chemistry i have done i have noticed something very strange.. then you force air onto whatever youre drying out the evaporative cooling will cool it down rather fast, however when you face the opposite direction so that it drags the air out of the container with the supposedly heated thing it doesnt cool down as much, but still greatly aids drying process
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Re: Alcohol to kill living mold and spores? [Re: Psilicon]
#21293902 - 02/18/15 02:24 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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The point of using a fan is this:
The mushrooms have water that are evaporating, when the air immediately surrounding the mushroom reaches 100% RH, evaporation slows way down, with no air current it should stop completely. When you have a fan on the mushroom the air current is whisking away the humid air and replacing it with presumably less humid air in your drying environment. Theoretically you don't need a strong fan to accomplish this, just enough to keep air moving.
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Re: Alcohol to kill living mold and spores? [Re: invitro]
#21293916 - 02/18/15 02:28 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Also I believe some people harvest then spray the surface of the tub with a sink-sprayer nozzle and that blasts all the dead stuff out. aborts can occasionally go bad, it's not a bad idea to get them out.
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Re: Alcohol to kill living mold and spores? [Re: invitro]
#21293920 - 02/18/15 02:28 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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indeed, but the temperature should push the water out regardless although it ofcourse does have to go through some material.. i blow air onto it when its past half dry as the last water is in the core of the shroom, where you would perhaps want some air to penetrate and bring the water out from
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TheInternetPolice said: ah really? talking process optimization, from the chemistry i have done i have noticed something very strange.. then you force air onto whatever youre drying out the evaporative cooling will cool it down rather fast, however when you face the opposite direction so that it drags the air out of the container with the supposedly heated thing it doesnt cool down as much, but still greatly aids drying process
Evaporative cooling happens at a constant rate whenever you have evaporation without heat being supplied. If you have evaporative cooling happening faster when you have a fan pointed at something you're trying to dry, it's because the rate of evaporation is faster.
That said, it doesn't matter if your mushrooms get cold after they've been harvested. It matters that they get dry.
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Re: Alcohol to kill living mold and spores? [Re: Psilicon]
#21293982 - 02/18/15 02:42 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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yes yes, but i just found it rather weird that the faster method for drying them didnt cool them down as much as the slower one, which would contradict logic, at least in my deluded state of mind
anyhow, you had a suggestion for a easy substrate that could replace potatoes?
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Coir and vermiculite. You can pour boiling water on it and it won't contaminate.
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Re: Alcohol to kill living mold and spores? [Re: Psilicon]
#21294018 - 02/18/15 02:51 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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What are you doing with the potatoes?
I guessed originally that the point of talking about acetone was that you were going to take a wild spore print, and then try to clean it up (from bacteria anyway) by dousing it with acetone and letting it evaporate. Come to think of it that doesn't sound half bad...
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