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Re: If light is so important [Re: PinPornProducer]
    #21291664 - 02/18/15 01:40 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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What I'm gathering from these 2 statements is coinciding with my findings. Colonize and pin under extreme lighting for a nice pinset and then greatly reduce or even remove lighting during fruiting for denser more potent fruits




I've been reading Anne Haloniums threads/post around the net. She uses 455nm blue LED's to trigger pinning and 680nm red LED's to inhibit pinning. Think she said they only receive 3 minutes of 455nm blue during fruiting.

Most people seem to hate her lol. I think she's pretty fuckin' smart!
I think using LED's since they're wave length specific would be the best way to see how each color range effects the mushroom. Each stage of growth could utilize a specific color band for all we know.

http://www.gizmology.net/LEDs.htm

A lot of the grow light companies say specifically which lED's they use.. Which nm of blue red etc... and also which company they buy those specific nm colors from.

These are a few names I've found for companies that produce high end diodes...
Cree, Bridgelux, Osram, Lumiled, Semiled, Epiled, Epistar.

They're not hard to build if you can solder and not to expensive either, especially since shrooms don't need the amount of light plants do.

This is pretty basic build. I tore apart a broken grow light... but ran out of money so I can't finish it lol. I've never fucked with electronics before but after taring it apart... They're fucking easy to build and design.
http://www.instructables.com/id/Introduction-to-LED-grow-lights/

I guess you'd have to be interested in testing to make any of this worth while lol.

We humans utilize the sun too:
"The best-known benefit of sunlight is its ability to boost the body’s vitamin D supply; most cases of vitamin D deficiency are due to lack of outdoor sun exposure. At least 1,000 different genes governing virtually every tissue in the body are now thought to be regulated by 1,25-dihydroxyvitamin D3 (1,25[OH]D), the active form of the vitamin, including several involved in calcium metabolism and neuromuscular and immune system functioning.

Although most of the health-promoting benefits of sun exposure are thought to occur through vitamin D photosynthesis, there may be other health benefits that have gone largely overlooked in the debate over how much sun is needed for good health [see “Other Sun-Dependent Pathways,” p. A165]. As for what constitutes “excessive” UVR exposure, there is no one-size-fits-all answer, says Lucas: “‘Excessive’ really means inappropriately high for your skin type under a particular level of ambient UVR.”


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Re: If light is so important [Re: PinPornProducer]
    #21291667 - 02/18/15 01:40 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

i was thinking about what blackdust put up yesterday about spectums plants dont use and passes through them!

if a mushroom grows under a tree or in a field there is always an abundance of reflected 'green' spectrum light that plants dont absorb and reflect away.
i wonder if mushrooms use this spectrum, it would be amazing if they evolved to use the light rejected by plants as it is so abundant in there natural conditions. :smile: you can buy green spectrum bulbs for indoor grow rooms for checking plants in dark period without them knowing the light is on, maybe we could test the affects of supplementing this light:)

also about what part of the mushroom absorbs light, we know they like the blue end of the spectrum so why not shine a blacklight over the grow for a few seconds, this will highlight the areas the mushroom absorbs the light and also what parts reflect light away, doing this experiment we may be able to give credence to what part of the mushroom absorbs the light :smile:

and to test my theory about mushrooms using light intesity levels to know they have grown up enought above substrate and into available air currents to switch function from growing up to releasing spores we could-

use cfls to light from both sides(facing inward to the middle) of the fc creating a narrow band of higher intensity light than the rest of the tub that spreads in a line across the tub createing a light border.(what lux should this be? 500 lux??
the hight of this 'band' can be altered.
if the majority mushrooms grow up to this band then open caps at the set height it proves correlation.
so if we can move the 'band' down and force earlier maturation or move up and stall it. this would prove we are forcing early maturation at our own will by controlling light intensity. proof enough
even if MS is used with there greater variability, and it still holds true and we control the masses, it would only cement the proof of a strong causal link and would be more damning than using isolated strain :smile:
(gaining order out of a more dis-ordered starting situation)

but if an isolate is used and a control tub, we could test final weights of fruits with band of light at different heights to find a happy medium (to dial in) where we get good density,height ,potency and weight. to find the trade off point :smile:

PPP- here in the uk button mushrooms are given minimal light while colonising and making hyphal knots but then are given the dark to fruit.
the light while knotting increases the amount of pins but when growing in the dark they grow lighter in colour, denser and smaller but better for longer storage, less fragile, dont shrivel up quickly ect
they have more solid mass than water weight so one would asume they weigh more dried grown in the dark :smile:


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Re: If light is so important [Re: mustangbob3]
    #21291721 - 02/18/15 02:06 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Sounds cool.
Just need a way to kind of block the light to make the band.

I love these kind of threads!


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Re: If light is so important [Re: Mushroom_J]
    #21291771 - 02/18/15 02:22 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

the band is easy to create with cfls pointing their intensity towards the middle and each other, as it works with the cfls own natural lux intensity drop- off with distance!

the only thing is what extra heat may be created in the tub lighting this way?
it might mess up the experiment with the isolates and control tub,
as it may mess up the experiment by changing airflow  and potential humidity createing a different of enviroment compared with the control tub??

i too love these threads!
ive said it before
we all have pieces of the same puzzle, some of us the same piece lol, and its only sharing those pieces that we will eventually put the puzzle together!
this thread give place to speculate, debate, share and test ideas and in my opinion that is a good thing and important for the continued growth of the community :smile:


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Re: If light is so important [Re: mustangbob3] * 1
    #21291970 - 02/18/15 03:58 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Now coz you guys wouldn't shut the fuck up about this I am gonna have to try growing them in the dark for myself.


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Re: If light is so important [Re: Northerner]
    #21291993 - 02/18/15 04:08 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

blame PPP lol hes the ring leader :laugh2:

must be interesting to others, as its a hot topic now lol

i would try to replicate PPP and give good light for colonising and pinning then move to the dark for maturing :thumbup:

then we will see if what happened in PPPs case is repeatable in others situations, and then people cannot say PPP tub is the exception and also use a different strain too so people dont say is cos its ksss lol :smile:

if it happens again its pretty damning evidence i would say, and then this whole thread would be warranted as would further testing lol


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Re: If light is so important [Re: mustangbob3]
    #21292005 - 02/18/15 04:19 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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mustangbob3 said:
i would try to replicate PPP and give good light for colonising and pinning then move to the dark for maturing :thumbup:




That was my thoughts. Strong light is a well known pinning trigger so I wouldn't skip that bit.

I've got some random cube myc sat in stasis in the fridge. It will be done.


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Re: If light is so important [Re: Northerner]
    #21292011 - 02/18/15 04:22 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

great!
im subbed lol
i eagerly await the results!
hope you dont get any crap for trying it out :smile:

EDIT maybe bw should put a poll at the start of the thread to gauge the percentage of people who agree and see what the community feels,

a. more experiments are needed to say either way
b. it matters not, no need for experiments
c.it matters not, but experiments maybe rewarding
d. there is obvious room for improvement

EDIT before anyone says mushrooms dont use/absord uv spectrum-
http://www.insidescience.org/content/uv-light-makes-mushrooms-rich-vitamin-d/1523

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/74823039/Rapid-Vitamin-D-Enhancement-in-Mushrooms-Uasing-Pulsed-UV-Light

and a good read about how blacklights work-
http://science.howstuffworks.com/innovation/everyday-innovations/black-light.htm


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Re: If light is so important [Re: PinPornProducer]
    #21292260 - 02/18/15 07:17 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Light is not really relevant as the mycellium do not need any they are usually under the ground




Cubesis myc do not grow underground. It grows in cow manure, light can penetrate manure some inches deep from all around. And as far as i know.. cows do not bury their shit.

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Re: If light is so important [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #21292267 - 02/18/15 07:20 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

great point alien!!
but do they rely on manure alone and cannot live and grow off of composting thatch in the bottom layers of grass?
i would think they dont have to actually land on crap to grow but they dont grow here so i dont hunt them and dont know lol

what about fields that havent seen an animal livestock ever or for decades, can they hold cubes?
possibly from rabbit shit or deer washing into the ground?

what happen before we kept livestock where did all the cubes go?

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Re: If light is so important [Re: mustangbob3]
    #21292310 - 02/18/15 07:39 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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great point alien!!

i would think they dont have to actually land on crap to grow but they dont grow here so i dont hunt them and dont know lol





Spores germinate inside the animal before they shit out. Give some spore water to cows for drink :thumbup:

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Re: If light is so important [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #21292316 - 02/18/15 07:41 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

i do remember people feeding spore filled apples to horses lol

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Re: If light is so important [Re: bw86]
    #21292327 - 02/18/15 07:46 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Did they ever have any good results?:thumbup::thumbdown:


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Re: If light is so important [Re: Kizzle]
    #21292328 - 02/18/15 07:46 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Kizzle said:
It will eventually regardless but it has a huge effect. If you've ever seen a Trichoderma culture like this those rings of spores are formed on the outside of the colony only during the time it's exposed to light.

I think most would agree that in general noticeable Trich growth usually doesn't appear until exposed to fruiting conditions which for almost everyone includes light. I have noticed before the thick white mycelium appearing in opaque trays with no color change for at least a week without turning green, I didn't keep it any longer than that as the smell of Trich was very obvious. Under normal conditions it would happen only a couple days after it's appearance.




Wow, that picture is awesome! :thumbup:
I can't add anything to this thread in terms of knowledge, but it's a very interesting read.

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Re: If light is so important [Re: bw86]
    #21292334 - 02/18/15 07:48 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Cubes do not just grow In horse or cow shit. The reason they are mostly found in the shit of those animals is because the shit is basically sterilized through the whole digestive process and gives them a head start lol

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Re: If light is so important [Re: randoman]
    #21292336 - 02/18/15 07:48 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Did they ever have any good results?:thumbup::thumbdown:



doubt it, i never saw any follow ups.

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Re: If light is so important [Re: PinPornProducer]
    #21292345 - 02/18/15 07:52 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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PinPornProducer said:
Cubes do not just grow In horse or cow shit. The reason they are mostly found in the shit of those animals is because the shit is basically sterilized through the whole digestive process and gives them a head start lol




:facepalm:

Is that a joke? Or do you seriously think cow shit is sterile?

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Re: If light is so important [Re: randoman]
    #21292352 - 02/18/15 07:56 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Did they ever have any good results?:thumbup::thumbdown:




It only works in the right geographic region i think. Subtropical regions, such as the south of Texas..

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Re: If light is so important [Re: mustangbob3]
    #21292356 - 02/18/15 07:57 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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mustangbob3 said:
i was thinking about what blackdust put up yesterday about spectums plants dont use and passes through them!

if a mushroom grows under a tree or in a field there is always an abundance of reflected 'green' spectrum light that plants dont absorb and reflect away.
i wonder if mushrooms use this spectrum, it would be amazing if they evolved to use the light rejected by plants as it is so abundant in there natural conditions. :smile: you can buy green spectrum bulbs for indoor grow rooms for checking plants in dark period without them knowing the light is on, maybe we could test the affects of supplementing this light:)

also about what part of the mushroom absorbs light, we know they like the blue end of the spectrum so why not shine a blacklight over the grow for a few seconds, this will highlight the areas the mushroom absorbs the light and also what parts reflect light away, doing this experiment we may be able to give credence to what part of the mushroom absorbs the light :smile:

and to test my theory about mushrooms using light intesity levels to know they have grown up enought above substrate and into available air currents to switch function from growing up to releasing spores we could-

use cfls to light from both sides(facing inward to the middle) of the fc creating a narrow band of higher intensity light than the rest of the tub that spreads in a line across the tub createing a light border.(what lux should this be? 500 lux??
the hight of this 'band' can be altered.
if the majority mushrooms grow up to this band then open caps at the set height it proves correlation.
so if we can move the 'band' down and force earlier maturation or move up and stall it. this would prove we are forcing early maturation at our own will by controlling light intensity. proof enough
even if MS is used with there greater variability, and it still holds true and we control the masses, it would only cement the proof of a strong causal link and would be more damning than using isolated strain :smile:
(gaining order out of a more dis-ordered starting situation)

but if an isolate is used and a control tub, we could test final weights of fruits with band of light at different heights to find a happy medium (to dial in) where we get good density,height ,potency and weight. to find the trade off point :smile:

PPP- here in the uk button mushrooms are given minimal light while colonising and making hyphal knots but then are given the dark to fruit.
the light while knotting increases the amount of pins but when growing in the dark they grow lighter in colour, denser and smaller but better for longer storage, less fragile, dont shrivel up quickly ect
they have more solid mass than water weight so one would asume they weigh more dried grown in the dark :smile:



I love the thought process. It would not be out of the realm of possibility. Mushrooms have been evolving for what like 10 years now... lol.
Cant you just wipe cow shit with an alcohol swab? That makes it sterile right?


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Re: If light is so important [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #21292359 - 02/18/15 07:58 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

PinPornProducer said:
Cubes do not just grow In horse or cow shit. The reason they are mostly found in the shit of those animals is because the shit is basically sterilized through the whole digestive process and gives them a head start lol




:facepalm:

Is that a joke? Or do you seriously think cow shit is sterile?



Do some research In the matter before facepalming post like an idiot
Its basically pasteurized

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