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CosmicJoke
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I guess I'm always edging when masturbating or having sex, this comes really naturally to me, but I'm also lit when I play, which for me greatly prolongs sex for hours while keeping the eroticism very high. I never get drunk and have sloppy sex, as for me that also prolongs things, but it's just boring mashing of genitals with lower libido.
-------------------- Everything is better than it was the last time. I'm good. If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care. It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence. I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too. If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.
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CosmicJoke
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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21285848 - 02/16/15 10:47 PM (9 years, 7 days ago) |
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No. Masturbation cannot be "spiritual".
How's come? From what I've read about spirituality, everything one does is part of one's sadhana (or spiritual work). Am I really to believe that people who are committed to spiritual awakening never masturbate?
Its just my personal opinion.
I cant back it up with anything besides that.
i just perceive masturbation as something opposite to spiritual because spiritual isn't supposed to be selfish. And i think masturbation falls into the whole selfish category.
but if someone told me masturbation was spiritual FOR THEM then i wouldn't argue it.
But for ME snd how i view the world/spirituality...i don't consider masturbation as something i would deem as a possibility for being spiritual 
to say masturbation can be spiritual is like saying rubbing someones asshole can be spiritual. its just not MY cup of tea
I guess that's fair, but you didn't say "for me", but rather that it couldn't be. Anyways, rubbing someone's asshole isn't a great analogy for me, it could be incredibly spiritual, possibly the greatest gift one could ever give another, really loosen them up for awhile.
-------------------- Everything is better than it was the last time. I'm good. If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care. It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence. I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too. If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.
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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: Silversoul] 2
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Bill_Oreilly
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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: CosmicJoke] 1
#21286477 - 02/17/15 05:16 AM (9 years, 7 days ago) |
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CosmicJoke said:
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Bill_Oreilly said:
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Bill_Oreilly said:
No. Masturbation cannot be "spiritual".
How's come? From what I've read about spirituality, everything one does is part of one's sadhana (or spiritual work). Am I really to believe that people who are committed to spiritual awakening never masturbate?
Its just my personal opinion.
I cant back it up with anything besides that.
i just perceive masturbation as something opposite to spiritual because spiritual isn't supposed to be selfish. And i think masturbation falls into the whole selfish category.
but if someone told me masturbation was spiritual FOR THEM then i wouldn't argue it.
But for ME snd how i view the world/spirituality...i don't consider masturbation as something i would deem as a possibility for being spiritual 
to say masturbation can be spiritual is like saying rubbing someones asshole can be spiritual. its just not MY cup of tea
I guess that's fair, but you didn't say "for me", but rather that it couldn't be. Anyways, rubbing someone's asshole isn't a great analogy for me, it could be incredibly spiritual, possibly the greatest gift one could ever give another, really loosen them up for awhile. 
Ya know...ever since this question was asked, I have been doing a lot of thinking about it. And I will be doing more thinking about it in the near future.
For now...meaning right this second...I am officially taking back my opinion and saying "i don't know". Perhaps in a day or 2 I will have come to a conclusion 
I find this to be a tough/great question.
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: CosmicJoke]
#21286525 - 02/17/15 05:53 AM (9 years, 7 days ago) |
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Bill_Oreilly said:
No. Masturbation cannot be "spiritual".
How's come? From what I've read about spirituality, everything one does is part of one's sadhana (or spiritual work). Am I really to believe that people who are committed to spiritual awakening never masturbate?
Its just my personal opinion.
I cant back it up with anything besides that.
i just perceive masturbation as something opposite to spiritual because spiritual isn't supposed to be selfish. And i think masturbation falls into the whole selfish category.
but if someone told me masturbation was spiritual FOR THEM then i wouldn't argue it.
But for ME snd how i view the world/spirituality...i don't consider masturbation as something i would deem as a possibility for being spiritual 
to say masturbation can be spiritual is like saying rubbing someones asshole can be spiritual. its just not MY cup of tea
I guess that's fair, but you didn't say "for me", but rather that it couldn't be. Anyways, rubbing someone's asshole isn't a great analogy for me, it could be incredibly spiritual, possibly the greatest gift one could ever give another, really loosen them up for awhile. 
-------------------- Little left in the way of energy; or the way of love, yet happy to entertain myself playing mental games with the rest of you freaks until the rivers run backwards. "Chat your fraff Chat your fraff Just chat your fraff Chat your fraff"
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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: Grapefruit]
#21287885 - 02/17/15 12:46 PM (9 years, 7 days ago) |
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Whats so funny?
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21288024 - 02/17/15 01:24 PM (9 years, 7 days ago) |
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www.thewholenetwork.org Men are meant to have incredible woman like sensitivity when they masturbate or have sex, the reduction in pleasure and naturally intended function of the penis due to genital mutilation is profound to say the least. This is a satanic ritual invented by the illuminati with the goal of torturing infants.... i don't feel anything when i touch myself, i can have orgasms, but they aren't that special, just 2-3 seconds of pleasure after minutes of not feeling really anything at all.
-------------------- I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo! ....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human...... Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!
Edited by leery11 (02/17/15 01:24 PM)
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Bill_Oreilly
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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: leery11]
#21288069 - 02/17/15 01:38 PM (9 years, 7 days ago) |
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leery11 said: the reduction in pleasure and naturally intended function of the penis due to genital mutilation is profound to say the least.
AINT THAT THE FUCKING TRUTH!
I believe the elite(if there even is such a thing) created male circumcision to separate them from the rest of the people.
they "Get off" on going to bed and thinking "ahahah these idiot animals will never know sex as it is truly meant to feel like! for I am superior to those cattle! they will never know how good sex is without their foreskin they can NEVER EVER get back! MUAHAHAHA"
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
Edited by Bill_Oreilly (02/17/15 02:02 PM)
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MarkostheGnostic
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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: Silversoul]
#21289819 - 02/17/15 06:00 PM (9 years, 7 days ago) |
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I told the priest I was taking catechism with back when I was 23, that I had been masturbating, but just to get it "out of my system," so that I wouldn't pursue my desire outwardly. He said, Oh, clinical masturbation." Rather than go out and make unwanted and impossible-to-maintain relationships that were gonna get me attached and maybe hurt someone else's feelings, I tried desperately to remain celibate during the most difficult time of my life, my 20s. Preposterous, I know. Plus, it was the 1970s and the culture was hyper sexual.
Hindu Tantras and Chinese Taoist Yoga maintain the same notions that the seminal fluid is the matrix for a particular life-force that shouldn't be wasted. Meanwhile, without successful techniques (I tried Hatha Yoga with some Kundalini exercises, prayer, fasting, isolation from females, sleeping on the floor without a pillow and nada. I couldn't beat it). Suppression gave me psychosomatic migraines that lasted from Friday night to Sunday night. Masturbation afforded a safety valve on an overly charged young male with normal sex drives. Having urges instead of being horny was an attempt to disidentify myself from the urge. I was attempting to rise above this urge, just as I was attempting to control my appetite or my need for sleep. In other words, I was attempting a modified middle-class form of asceticism in which I recognized a meta-motive - a motive-of-all-motives which I endeavored to identify with, call it Christ or the Holy Spirit (I later entered a seminary).
Like my Neoplatonist hero Plotinus, I was ashamed of being in the body and being kicked around by these biological imperatives to mate (even though I had NO desire to reproduce, or a real desire for female companionship, a girlfriend or wife, and neither had I any means to afford one). It was a very grim time of my life, coming from a sexual college life to a condition where I couldn't watch certain TV shows or walk inside a shopping mall for being overwhelmed by desire, and essentially hiding out in seminary and my bedroom 'monastic cell' trying to figure out what I should now do with a Bachelors degree in philosophy and a non-ordinational Master of Theological Studies degree. In graduate school, during the most difficult phases, I used masturbation for tension release, at which time it became compulsive and was anything but an exercise in transcendence. So, in closing, it depends on one's intention whether masturbation (or drinking wine for that matter), is a transcendental act or not.
-------------------- γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself
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CosmicJoke
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it's good for relieving my
-------------------- Everything is better than it was the last time. I'm good. If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care. It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence. I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too. If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.
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