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Re: Do you think a lot of the marijuana people consume is GMO? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #21290067 - 02/17/15 06:48 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Do you think a lot of the marijuana people consume is GMO? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #21290070 - 02/17/15 06:48 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Okay, ONE LAST TIME, let's look up the definition, shall we?

"A genetically modified organism (GMO) is any organism whose genetic material has been altered using genetic engineering techniques."

Ok then, so what is genetic engineering?

"Genetic engineering, also called genetic modification, is the direct manipulation of an organism's genome using biotechnology."




Cross pollination does not fall under that definition.

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Re: Do you think a lot of the marijuana people consume is GMO? [Re: Ran-D]
    #21290077 - 02/17/15 06:49 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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"Genetic engineering, also called genetic modification, is the direct manipulation of an organism's genome using biotechnology."




Breeding a plant with big tomatos with another plant with big tomatos because you want bigger tomatos is genetic modification.

Breeding big tomatos with big tomatos is a biotechnology.


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Re: Do you think a lot of the marijuana people consume is GMO? [Re: Ran-D]
    #21290078 - 02/17/15 06:49 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

As one person pointed out earlier, GMOs cannot be created outside of a lab setting.

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Re: Do you think a lot of the marijuana people consume is GMO? [Re: Ran-D]
    #21290082 - 02/17/15 06:51 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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As one person pointed out earlier, GMOs cannot be created outside of a lab setting.




Why?


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Re: Do you think a lot of the marijuana people consume is GMO? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #21290084 - 02/17/15 06:51 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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"Genetic engineering, also called genetic modification, is the direct manipulation of an organism's genome using biotechnology."




Breeding a plant with big tomatos with another plant with big tomatos because you want bigger tomatos is genetic modification.




What about those definitions do you not understand? In order for something to be considered a GMO it has to be the result of genetic engineering. Plain and simple.


You are just forming an opinion, I am looking up actual definitions.

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Re: Do you think a lot of the marijuana people consume is GMO? [Re: Ran-D]
    #21290090 - 02/17/15 06:53 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Breeding big tomatos with big tomatos for a desired big tomatos is modifying the genetics of that plant to produce bigger tomatos.

So dogs aren't genetically modified?

Breed a little dog with a little dog enough times you get a little dog, you have just modified it's genes.


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Re: Do you think a lot of the marijuana people consume is GMO? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #21290093 - 02/17/15 06:54 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

No matter how many times you repeat that it isn't true. I will ask again, what don't you understand about those definitions?

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Re: Do you think a lot of the marijuana people consume is GMO? [Re: Ran-D]
    #21290103 - 02/17/15 06:56 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Genetic modification = modifying the genetics with a biotechnology

^^ Extremely broad definition from wiki

GM is not the same thing as gene splicing.

One is broad, one is specific.


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Re: Do you think a lot of the marijuana people consume is GMO? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #21290110 - 02/17/15 06:57 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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No, BY DEFINITION THAT DOES NOT PRODUCE A GMO.

My god, I have posted the definitions already. This is ridiculous.



By definition that's exactly what a GMO is.

Breed for desired trait GMO.

Take a plant with big green beans, breed it with another plant with big green beans.  If you desire to have bigger green beans then voila GMO



Read the pages in this thread that you didn't read. Then come back.

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Re: Do you think a lot of the marijuana people consume is GMO? [Re: D.M.T]
    #21290114 - 02/17/15 06:58 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Am I being trolled right now?

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Re: Do you think a lot of the marijuana people consume is GMO? [Re: D.M.T]
    #21290116 - 02/17/15 06:58 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I have, i've read all the wiki definitions, they're defining GM too narrowly.


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Re: Do you think a lot of the marijuana people consume is GMO? [Re: D.M.T]
    #21290122 - 02/17/15 06:59 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Fuck it I'll just help you out since you won't.

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What is the difference between genetic modification and conventional breeding?

Traditionally, a plant breeder tries to exchange genes between two plants to produce offspring that have desired traits. This is done by transferring the male (pollen) of one plant to the female organ of another. This cross breeding, however, is limited to exchanges between the same or very closely related species. It can also take a long time to achieve desired results and frequently, characteristics of interest do not exist in any related species. GM technology enables plant breeders to bring together in one plant useful genes from a wide range of living sources, not just from within the crop species or from closely related plants. This powerful tool allows plant breeders to do faster what they have been doing for years – generate superior plant varieties – although it expands the possibilities beyond the limits imposed by conventional plant breeding. (Source: ISAAA.org)

Whatever technique is used, the genome of the new variety is different from the parents, but convention dictates that this is not considered to be genetic modification, the term being reserved for the products of r-DNA technology. GM technology aims to produce new varieties by adding (or modifying the expression of) specific genes known to control particular traits.

GM is more targeted (only a few genes carrying known functions are inserted in the recipient genome) and more rapid (bypassing the multiple cross generations needed by traditional breeding). 

It also allows plants to be used to produce molecules which could not be obtained otherwise, such as vaccines or bio-plastics.
Where conventional techniques are effective, they will be used, but genetic modification allows a wider range of useful traits to be incorporated into a given crop.



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Re: Do you think a lot of the marijuana people consume is GMO? [Re: D.M.T]
    #21290128 - 02/17/15 07:01 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah a lab makes it faster no shit, but making a poodle is by definition modifying it's genes from the wolf.  Do you see what i'm saying here?

I guess I don't share this bullshit definition of GM being the same thing as gene splicing.  I'll just end it at that.


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Re: Do you think a lot of the marijuana people consume is GMO? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #21290131 - 02/17/15 07:02 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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I have, i've read all the wiki definitions, they're defining GM too narrowly.



No. It's just that you don't like the abbreviation GMO. If you had read the Wiki you'd know when the term first came to use it referred to gene splicing DNA from an alien species into another, hence why Wiki would go by that definition. Make up a word and call it that if you like but the widely accepted definition of a GMO is not the same as a crossbreed, as they contain different chromosomes that could not possibly exist naturally.

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Re: Do you think a lot of the marijuana people consume is GMO? [Re: D.M.T]
    #21290142 - 02/17/15 07:06 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

modify - make partial or minor changes to (something), typically so as to improve it or to make it less extreme.

gene - a distinct sequence of nucleotides forming part of a chromosome, the order of which determines the order of monomers in a polypeptide or nucleic acid molecule which a cell (or virus) may synthesize.

Wiki is defining what the words actually mean too narrowly.


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Re: Do you think a lot of the marijuana people consume is GMO? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #21290176 - 02/17/15 07:13 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

No. You can call it 'climate change', I will continue to call it 'global warming', and you can call it GSMO, I will call it GMO.

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Re: Do you think a lot of the marijuana people consume is GMO? [Re: D.M.T]
    #21290207 - 02/17/15 07:19 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I don't know where they got all these other defining details :shrug:

GSMO is a much better definition:lol:

I think they call it GM as a palatable easy interpretation for what it actually is.


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Re: Do you think a lot of the marijuana people consume is GMO? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #21290218 - 02/17/15 07:21 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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A friend brought up this point the other day...he speculated that almost all of the marijuana that is smoked nowadays could be GMO.  He is more of a conspiracy theorist, and he speculated that this could have been something done in secret by the government, powers that be, etc. 

I'm not necessarily subscribing ro the conspiracy theory aspect of his idea, but I'm still wondering about the general notion that almost all marijuana could be GMO.  After all, people are always saying that modern marijuana is multiple times stronger than it was in the past. 

What do you think about this?



Any difference in potency is due to advanced growing techniques and selective breeding. I doubt any weed is GMI. Europeans and asians have the same weed as Americans do.


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Re: Do you think a lot of the marijuana people consume is GMO? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #21290221 - 02/17/15 07:22 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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I think they call it GM as a palatable easy interpretation for what it actually is.



Pretty much. Like calling 25I-NBOMe "synthetic LSD".

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