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PinPornProducer
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Re: If light is so important [Re: spacechildo]
#21288007 - 02/17/15 01:17 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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PinPornProducer said: Must have been an experiment about how bandwagonism has an effect on mushrooms

that was a pic to show fuzzy caps. just be glad I share things that arent perfect too. I could pull your threads too where you didnt update because it failed like I told you it would, but I dont have time to stoop that low.
this is getting stoopid, if you have a comment towards what I said that you havent already said be my guest if not please find something else to do!
You called be ignorant, I'm not even sure you know the true meaning of that word. And if I didn't update a thread, it was more than like do to me being busy actually growing and learning and not just lurking around the site selectively choosing information to regurgitate just because it sounds good
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knock the crap off and let's keep it clean here
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Re: If light is so important [Re: cronicr]
#21288053 - 02/17/15 01:32 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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How is this site ever going to be a source of true knowledge if ppl can post anything they feel sounds good without having any proof of the credibility of there statements? That's like the blind leading the blind and we would just continue to walk in circles because it's the first path we found without obstruction
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PinPornProducer said: How is this site ever going to be a source of true knowledge if ppl can post anything they feel sounds good without having any proof of the credibility of there statements? That's like the blind leading the blind and we would just continue to walk in circles because it's the first path we found without obstruction
welcome to the internet, but maybe you are simply caught up in you're talk with space but there is tons of good solid info in this thread
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Re: If light is so important [Re: cronicr]
#21288083 - 02/17/15 01:42 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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This site is kindergarten for mycology and nothing more. You can learn the very basics but other than that its all speculation.
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knock the crap off and keep it on topic, do your complaining somewhere else
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Re: If light is so important [Re: spacechildo] 1
#21288150 - 02/17/15 01:53 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: I'm still baffled as to why people still quote and use the logic from TMC where the flash of the camera was believed to induce pinning when cubes pin in total darkness 
When the author himself retracts it we should stop quoting it 
The abstract relating to the photosensitivity of P. Cubensis was actually written by E.R. Badham. In TMC Stamets simply paraphrased Badham's findings. I was unaware that any of this was disproved/debunked, retracted, or that Stamets now disagrees with it . I will agree that a book written in 1983 is a bit outdated.
But here is some information (from 2009) that people may find very interesting regarding light as it relates to the psilocin/psilocybin content in cubensis:
International Journal of Medicinal Mushrooms (Impact Factor: 1.12). 01/2009; 11(4):419-426. DOI: 10.1615/IntJMedMushr.v11.i4.80
ABSTRACT Indole alkaloids of Psilocybe cubensis have been reported to be the potential candidates for drug discovery in central nervous system (CNS) disorders. In this research, the effect of the harvesting light on increasing the active alkaloids of P. cubensis was investigated. Three different lighting conditions, that is, dim daylight, indirect daylight, and darkness were used to harvest the mushrooms. A simple one-step extraction method involving the homogenization of the dried fruit bodies of fungi in chloroform was used. The psilocin content of the mushrooms was analyzed by derivatization with N-methyl-N-(trimethylsilyl) trifluoroacetamide (MSTFA), followed by the GC-MS technique. This investigation showed that the psilocin content of the mushrooms was highly dependent on the lighting conditions. Variations could amount to 100-fold increases in the samples harvested in the dark condition, compared to the samples harvested in the light conditions. Therefore, preventing natural light in the harvesting chamber could be considered to have a considerable effect on the content of the psychotropic component of P. cubensis and, hence, the psycho activity of the mushroom.
Click on this link to view the whole PDF. Look to the right side of the screen to find the "Full-Text" link to click. http://www.researchgate.net/publication/247855008_Enhancement_of_Indole_Alkaloids_Produced_by_Psilocybe_cubensis_(Earle)_Singer_(Agaricomycetideae)_in_Controlled_Harvesting_Light_Conditions
You gotta give props to Iran for this one!
So what do you all make of this?
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Re: If light is so important [Re: cronicr]
#21288226 - 02/17/15 01:59 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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You must have silenced them lol
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 maybe there still reading my wall of text
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Re: If light is so important [Re: cronicr]
#21288503 - 02/17/15 02:30 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Cronicr, those findings on the dominance of the various tropisms are very interesting! So the dominating tropisms causing the "youngest fruit-body initials" to grow straight up are unknown, but soon thereafter in the "fruit-body primordium", phototropism is the predominant stimulant for the direction of growth. Later, generally with the onset of sporulation, gravitropism becomes the dominant factor.
So according to these findings, light plays a critical role in the tropism of basidiocarp during early fruit-body formation.
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The reason why an abort is so potent is because it's growth stops but the magic continues. The same concept goes for a maturing fruit who's growth were slowed down and continue to produce magic at it's normal pace
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Re: If light is so important [Re: amp244]
#21288567 - 02/17/15 02:35 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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I just read the study and there's so much left unknown there so IDK whether I read the full thing or just a very short abstract.
they claim varieties of cubensis has set cin/cybin content (mexican > amazonian) and doesnt explain whether they used a clone, isolate, MS or other. there seems to be many factors involved, and a claim that high malt content supresses cybin? and if they increased 100 folds from 0,48% wouldnt that make 48%?
I think we would have noticed cubes with 50% actives content in them! the study also has 40 reads, idk this muhammad ali guy so all I can say about it is
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Re: If light is so important [Re: spacechildo]
#21288648 - 02/17/15 02:39 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hahaha, Yea Iran is probably just fucking with us. I just read the abstract, Im gonna sit down and digest the text later this evening.
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seemingly good info but I'm shocked and I agree with space on the possible flaws. I swear I've experienced exactly the opposite since I've started to use the right light spectrum and adequate lighting.(sorry just another worthless opinion here) I guess I will test this info myself... How would one be able to know when to harvest if you were keeping it in total darkness? Would even a weak light for a short period of time just to check on it be enough to spoil the experiment if what was said about camera flash is even close to true?
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Re: If light is so important [Re: tombosley8]
#21288873 - 02/17/15 02:54 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Back in the day, Used to take these tubs and several others and let them sit in a room with natural light for 12 hours then move them all again to the closet for the night cycle since I often said up light into the night and didn't want the mushrooms getting 24 hours light. I was never to strict on the times, sometimes I would wake them up at 3pm in the afternoon or put them to bed at 3am in the morning. Tried to get it as close to 7am - 7pm. So much work. Felt like I was babysitting. I should have just left them alone in the closet. Don't do what I did. 6500k lights are fine on a timer. lights play a very small role in the development of full flushes.
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Re: If light is so important [Re: spacechildo]
#21289098 - 02/17/15 03:08 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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And Spacechildo, the 100 fold increase could be the difference between the worst and best performing specimens.
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Re: If light is so important [Re: amp244]
#21289124 - 02/17/15 03:15 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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The article also talks about nutrients playing a role in potency which I've always though to be true. I've grown on 6 different types of grain and found what I use now to produce the most potent
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Re: If light is so important [Re: blackdust]
#21289129 - 02/17/15 03:16 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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I know fungi in general use light, particularly blue light, to regulate spore production among other things. Also, probably in part as a means of sensing what parts of it are growing above the surface.
https://www.google.com/#safe=off&q=fungi+blue+light
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