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cronicr



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blindingleaf said: Tbh guys....out of all things I consider when growing, light is so far down the list it hadn't crossed my mind till this thread was posted.
I don't presume to know what's going on, so I can't really say one way or another what's happening and why
that is a good thing broski, light should be the last thing considered, i love my bright window or a lightbulb lol
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Re: If light is so important [Re: mustangbob3]
#21287614 - 02/17/15 11:52 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Or you can remove the light after birth (pinning) so they can focus on density and bulkiness rather than growing tall and hollow trying to reach for it. I believe they do use light, there are many articles and whatnot that prove it. But the necessity of that light they seem to like so much may not be in our best interest on what we are trying to get out of them but rather a benefit to the Mushrooms themselves for survival of the species. That is the ultimate goal of any species is survival, legacy but we can reproduce the fungi species ourself, agar, cloning etc...
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mustangbob3
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theres the problem most would tell me if i remove the light i would get exactly that, long thin shrooms with hollow stems and small caps. lol
there is so much divided opinion lol
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Re: If light is so important [Re: mustangbob3]
#21287649 - 02/17/15 11:58 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Not sure about hollow stem thing related to light but cap size would mane sense
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spacechildo
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PinPornProducer said: Or you can remove the light after birth (pinning) so they can focus on density and bulkiness rather than growing tall and hollow trying to reach for it.
This is also completely different from my exp. I've never seen them grow tall and skinny because they're reching for light, only tall and skinny reaching for fresh air. most cubes are hollow to some degree. and cap size is most def related to light!
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Re: If light is so important [Re: mustangbob3]
#21287681 - 02/17/15 12:04 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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So I must be a witness to a god damn miracle then lol

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Mr. Alien
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I don't presume to know what's going on, so I can't really say one way or another what's happening and why
We can only speculate and experiment. Speculating is a good way to start experiments.
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PinPornProducer said: So I must be a witness to a god damn miracle then lol
 
isnt that ksss? you know what they're known for right?
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Re: If light is so important [Re: spacechildo]
#21287719 - 02/17/15 12:11 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Don't care what kind they are, as you are all saying here, darkness should have a negative effect on the species and I find that to be false
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spacechildo
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well that's just ignorant 
there's more than enough evidence both presented on the shroomery and experienced by myself to say shrooms dont reach towards light, look at outside grows, and that caps are smaller when given too little light be it natural or from a bulb.
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Re: If light is so important [Re: spacechildo]
#21287748 - 02/17/15 12:16 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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I don't presume to know what's going on, so I can't really say one way or another what's happening and why
We can only speculate and experiment. Speculating is a good way to start experiments.
Don't let me hold u back man Ur the one with the fancy light detector. Now just grow something already!
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mustangbob3
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blindingleaf said: Not sure about hollow stem thing related to light but cap size would mane sense
mush grow by cell expansion not cell devision so if they strech they become slighty more hollow i would think maybe?
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Re: If light is so important [Re: mustangbob3]
#21287823 - 02/17/15 12:34 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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/i use window too and have noticed all mushrooms directed towards it. but i also leave the window open during warm seasons. best time is spring rain when u can feel the moisture in the air
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Re: If light is so important [Re: spacechildo]
#21287832 - 02/17/15 12:36 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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And if you remove the light, they will not feel the need to grow toward it nor waste energy looking for it but rather take its time, slow down a little and focus on density and sizeQuote:
spacechildo said: well that's just ignorant 
there's more than enough evidence both presented on the shroomery and experienced by myself to say shrooms dont reach towards light, look at outside grows, and that caps are smaller when given too little light be it natural or from a bulb.
 If this is how you grow dude, then you have no right debating anything
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mustangbob3
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that pic lol
soon we will have, a cube is a cube execpt PE and ksss behaves different sometimes (joke)
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Re: If light is so important [Re: mustangbob3]
#21287881 - 02/17/15 12:46 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Must have been an experiment about how bandwagonism has an effect on mushrooms
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mustangbob3
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seems so
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spacechildo
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PinPornProducer said: Must have been an experiment about how bandwagonism has an effect on mushrooms

that was a pic to show fuzzy caps. just be glad I share things that arent perfect too. I could pull your threads too where you didnt update because it failed like I told you it would, but I dont have time to stoop that low.
this is getting stoopid, if you have a comment towards what I said that you havent already said be my guest if not please find something else to do!
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cronicr



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Re: If light is so important [Re: mustangbob3]
#21287961 - 02/17/15 01:03 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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mustangbob3 said:
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blindingleaf said: Not sure about hollow stem thing related to light but cap size would mane sense
mush grow by cell expansion not cell devision so if they strech they become slighty more hollow i would think maybe?
no they grow by both enlargement and division , i don't know what more to say about the subject, it seems like a no brainer to me...12/12 on and off in a good spectrum works wonders....thsi we have all seen with our own eyes! i've grown cubes in the dark but as i stated earlier light is only one part of the equation that makes up the direction they grow, there not simple minded organisms they are in fact very smart and aware of the enviroment around them, i bet if you had light on one side and wind coming from the other once they mature they would point there cap toward the wind for they're spores
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Re: If light is so important [Re: cronicr]
#21287974 - 02/17/15 01:05 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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here, read this then maybe you guys can move on about the light/direction thing lol
Perception and response to gravity in higher fungi--a critical appraisal. Abstract Considering that research on gravitropism in higher fungi has a history of over 100 years, the harvest of established fact is disappointingly meagre. We can be reasonably certain of the following. Hymenomycete 'mushroom' fruit bodies (polypore and agaric) exhibit a number of tropisms of which anemotropism, gravitropism, phototropism and thigmotropism have been clearly demonstrated. At any one time one tropism usually predominates but the inferior tropisms can be demonstrated if the predominating ones can be removed by manipulation of the growth conditions. In ascending order, the hierarchy appears to be: thigmotropism, gravitropism, anemotropism, phototropism. During the course of development of a fruit body different tropisms predominate at different times. The youngest fruit body initials grow perpendicularly away from their substratum. The nature of this tropism is completely unknown but perpendicular growth of fruit body initials has been remarked upon in experiments at a variety of light intensities and in gravitational fields from +/- 0 to 4.5 g. The fruit-body primordium then becomes first positively phototropic but later negative gravitropism predominates. The switch between predominance of the two tropisms has been associated with the onset of sporulation in a number of different studies. The major adjustment of the direction of growth in response to a tropic stimulus is made by the mushroom stem. It is the apex of the stem which makes the most immediate gravitropic response. Gravitropic growth curvatures are limited to the normal growth zones of the stem and seem to depend on re-allocation of available growth resources. If the fruit body is reoriented late in the growth of the stem, it may not be able to respond fully. In these cases gravitropic movements of the cap may still be able to bring the hymenophore back to the vertical. Mechanical forces may influence and contribute to the 'gravitropic' response but this has not been experimentally examined. The hymenophore (gill, tube or tooth) is positively gravitropic and responds independently of the stem. Bracket polypores do not show tropisms but exhibit gravimorphogenetic responses such that gross disturbance leads to renewal of growth to produce and entirely new fruiting structure suitably reoriented to the new spatial position. One experiment performed on an orbiting space station suggests that, in the absence of a light stimulus, gravity may be required for initiation of fruiting in Polyporus brumalis. Otherwise, the indications from both clinostat and space-borne experiments are that the basic form of the mushroom (overall tissue arrangement of stem, cap, gills, hymenium, veil) in agaric and polypore alike is established independently of the gravity vector. Abnormal stem growth has been observed in clinostat cultures of Panus (= Lentinus) tigrinus and Polyporus brumalis, but the morphogenetic event which seems most dependent on gravity is sporulation (in the broadest sense). Cultures of P. brumalis on orbiting space craft fail to produce the poroid hymenophore and in clinostat experiments on the ground even karyogamy was rare in similar cultures. Coprinus cinereus grown on the clinostat was able to produce apparently normal fruit body primordia which failed to produce spores and then aborted, forming a new flush of primordia on the old. Taken together with the clear association between observation of gravitropism and the onset of sporulation, the implication is that commitment to the meiosis-sporulation pathway both requires the gravity vector and couples it in some way to fruit-body growth. There is no convincing evidence for a graviperception mechanism in fungi. There is no evidence for any organised means of communicating the gravitropic stimulus once it has been perceived. Reports of three different experimental studies reveal the authors' conviction that the apparently coordinated expression of gravitropic response is in truth a common, but independent, response by the individual component hyphae of the structure concerned. There is some evidence that in the negatively gravitropic Phycomyces sporangiophore the vacuole floats in the protoplasm. If this is generally true it could affect protoplasmic volumes above and below the vacuole such that a greater proportion of the cell's potential for wall growth was adjacent to the lower wall. This is not only an attractive way of accounting for asymmetric wall growth, but since the relative density of the vacuole can presumably be controlled by regulation of water influx and efflux, it is also an attractive means of accounting for the control of gravitropic responses. Phycomyces also exhibits a response to the mechanical consequences of reorientation which is additional to (and different from) the longer term gravitropic response. [TRUNCATED] PMID: 11541309 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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