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Re: Do you think a lot of the marijuana people consume is GMO? [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace]
    #21287569 - 02/17/15 11:41 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Thats modifying the genetic makeup of the plant to do something different.

  Its called traditional processing, which is considered to be gmo, food like that would be labeled gmo.




Sorry, bro, but you're wrong.

That's how all crops are done. That's the reason corn is more than just a grass.



It's also the whole reason bananas even exist.

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Re: Do you think a lot of the marijuana people consume is GMO? [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace]
    #21287570 - 02/17/15 11:42 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Most of it is genetically modified, bred over a series of years to pick out desireable traits and eliminate nondesireable traits. Which have to deal with yield, scent, flavor, high. No one ever beleives me, and they all loveeee all this new weed.




That's not GMO, it's just breeding :facepalm:



Yeah I doubt it's too common for the people who develop marijuana strains today to have the budget/means to actually splice in genes from other species. I guess inducing polyploidy with chemical agents like colchicine could properly be considered genetic modification though, and my impression is that there are commercial strains that probably are descended from chemically induced polyploids.

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Re: Do you think a lot of the marijuana people consume is GMO? [Re: Herbologist]
    #21287572 - 02/17/15 11:43 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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GMO doesn't inherently mean something is unsafe or "bad."  Lots of our food is GMO and perfectly safe.




Were talking marijuana, not food.




My statement still stands.


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Re: Do you think a lot of the marijuana people consume is GMO? [Re: abltsandwich]
    #21287577 - 02/17/15 11:44 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Most of it is genetically modified, bred over a series of years to pick out desireable traits and eliminate nondesireable traits. Which have to deal with yield, scent, flavor, high. No one ever beleives me, and they all loveeee all this new weed.





dude this is breeding and you wouldnt be changing the genetic makeup....just weeding out the shittier phenotypes




No, you're weeing out the shittier genotypes by observing the phenotypes expressed.



No. As much as I love GMOs and would love to see some GMO pot, it's not the same.
http://www.mnn.com/food/healthy-eating/stories/genetic-engineering-vs-selective-breeding

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Re: Do you think a lot of the marijuana people consume is GMO? [Re: badchad]
    #21287579 - 02/17/15 11:45 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I say: Who gives a fuck.

Does it get me high? Yes. Then I'm happy


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Re: Do you think a lot of the marijuana people consume is GMO? [Re: abltsandwich]
    #21287585 - 02/17/15 11:45 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

true...thanks for the correction :vaped:


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Re: Do you think a lot of the marijuana people consume is GMO? [Re: abltsandwich]
    #21287602 - 02/17/15 11:50 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Most of it is genetically modified, bred over a series of years to pick out desireable traits and eliminate nondesireable traits. Which have to deal with yield, scent, flavor, high. No one ever beleives me, and they all loveeee all this new weed.





I feel that this is much different.. You're not actually altering the DNA in the same sense.  Cross breeding for desired traits I have no problem with.




GMO means Genetically Modified Organism.

Selective breeding is absolutely genetic modification.  You are modifying the genetics by limiting the gene pool artificially via selecting desired traits and removing undesired traits.
Landrace strains would likely be non-GMO, though.
Selective breeding is a form of GMO.
Non-selective breeding would be non-GMO.





Breeding weed is not GMO.

Taking the DNA of a frog into a marijuana strain to keep it from being susceptible to a certain bug is GMO.


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Re: Do you think a lot of the marijuana people consume is GMO? [Re: whitelights]
    #21287616 - 02/17/15 11:53 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Most of it is genetically modified, bred over a series of years to pick out desireable traits and eliminate nondesireable traits. Which have to deal with yield, scent, flavor, high. No one ever beleives me, and they all loveeee all this new weed.




Selective breeding is not genetic modification. They are completely different things.

edit: Didn't read the thread first. heh.


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Re: Do you think a lot of the marijuana people consume is GMO? [Re: Herbologist]
    #21287617 - 02/17/15 11:53 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Most of it is genetically modified, bred over a series of years to pick out desireable traits and eliminate nondesireable traits. Which have to deal with yield, scent, flavor, high. No one ever beleives me, and they all loveeee all this new weed.





dude this is breeding and you wouldnt be changing the genetic makeup....just weeding out the shittier phenotypes




No, you're weeing out the shittier genotypes by observing the phenotypes expressed.



No. As much as I love GMOs and would love to see some GMO pot, it's not the same.
http://www.mnn.com/food/healthy-eating/stories/genetic-engineering-vs-selective-breeding




You do not need to directly alter a gene to modify it.  You can passively modify genes through culling undesired traits and limiting the gene pool artificially.

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Breeding weed is not GMO.

Taking the DNA of a frog into a marijuana strain to keep it from being susceptible to a certain bug is GMO.




It's not an either-or situation.
Selective breeding AND splicing genes together from different organisms are BOTH GMO.  They are both different type of GMO.

If I breed a red flower and a white flower together to get a pink flower that does not occur naturally, how are you going to tell me that there was in no way at all a modification to the genes in that pink flower?  While they were never directly manipulated, they were definitely modified.

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Re: Do you think a lot of the marijuana people consume is GMO? [Re: badchad]
    #21287622 - 02/17/15 11:54 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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GMO doesn't inherently mean something is unsafe or "bad."  Lots of our food is GMO and perfectly safe.




Were talking marijuana, not food.




My statement still stands.




It may stand, but its not proven fact and its not relevant to the topic.


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Re: Do you think a lot of the marijuana people consume is GMO? [Re: abltsandwich]
    #21287641 - 02/17/15 11:57 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Your use of the term GMO is very broad and loose then.

When an African and Asian make a baby, is that baby GMO?


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Re: Do you think a lot of the marijuana people consume is GMO? [Re: Herbologist]
    #21287646 - 02/17/15 11:58 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

If that's the case, then there's no point in using the term GMO, because all crops have been selectively bred at some point.


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Re: Do you think a lot of the marijuana people consume is GMO? [Re: Herbologist]
    #21287655 - 02/17/15 11:59 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Your use of the term GMO is very broad and loose then.

When an African and Asian make a baby, is that baby GMO?




I don't use the term loosely; I don't use it at all because I think it's a bullshit term used for marketing just like "organic."  I'm not saying GMO doesn't exist, I'm just saying popular use of the word is not always correct.

No because the African and Asian would be meeting and mating in a natural way.  Selective breeding is controlled and manipulated.  That's what makes the orgnism "modified" in a GMO; the manipulation.  If you took an Asian and and African, forced them to breed so you could have a black Asian baby because that's the trait you wanted, then yes you modified it.

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Re: Do you think a lot of the marijuana people consume is GMO? [Re: Herbologist]
    #21287665 - 02/17/15 12:02 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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It may stand, but its not proven fact and its not relevant to the topic.




Certainly willing to review any proven facts you have on GMO MJ.


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Re: Do you think a lot of the marijuana people consume is GMO? [Re: abltsandwich]
    #21287676 - 02/17/15 12:03 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

They will probably change the term GMO to something else in the future for people like you hung up on the literal translation of the abbreviation. Look at the history of the word GMO and you will see why you're wrong. It's a lot like how they had to change "Global warming" to "Climate change" for people who just can't seem to grasp it.

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Re: Do you think a lot of the marijuana people consume is GMO? [Re: abltsandwich]
    #21287679 - 02/17/15 12:04 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Your use of the term GMO is very broad and loose then.

When an African and Asian make a baby, is that baby GMO?




I don't use the term loosely; I don't use it at all because I think it's a bullshit term used for marketing just like "organic."  I'm not saying GMO doesn't exist, I'm just saying popular use of the word is not always correct.

No because the African and Asian would be meeting and mating in a natural way.  Selective breeding is controlled and manipulated.  That's what makes the orgnism "modified" in a GMO; the manipulation.  If you took an Asian and and African, forced them to breed so you could have a black Asian baby because that's the trait you wanted, then yes you modified it.





So the only significant difference you make between non gmo and GMO is that its forced?  That makes no sense.

Whether the baby making was forced or not doesnt change anything.  Selectively choosing to have a plant mate with another plant is not GMO.

IF my fan accidently turns on and pollen spreads to a female plant and it pollinates something crossed/new.  Hey, it was an accident.  Therefor, NOT GMO.  -  Makes no sense.


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Re: Do you think a lot of the marijuana people consume is GMO? [Re: badchad]
    #21287685 - 02/17/15 12:05 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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It may stand, but its not proven fact and its not relevant to the topic.




Certainly willing to review any proven facts you have on GMO MJ.





Let me look back at where I said I had GMO MJ facts..





Oh wait, I didnt.


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Re: Do you think a lot of the marijuana people consume is GMO? [Re: D.M.T]
    #21287686 - 02/17/15 12:05 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Alright your right, who on here can look at genes to see if theyve been modified or not?im sure some one on here can.


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Re: Do you think a lot of the marijuana people consume is GMO? [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace] * 2
    #21287695 - 02/17/15 12:07 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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If that's the case, then there's no point in using the term GMO, because all crops have been selectively bred at some point.



Yeah, such a broad definition is useless because virtually every crop would fall under it. It's also not what most people mean when they say "GMO."

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Re: Do you think a lot of the marijuana people consume is GMO? [Re: abltsandwich] * 1
    #21287702 - 02/17/15 12:08 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Genetic engineering is a set of technologies used to change the genetic makeup of cells, including the transfer of genes within and across species boundaries to produce improved or novel organisms. The techniques involve sophisticated manipulations of genetic material and other biologically important chemicals.




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Genetic engineering, also called genetic modification, is the direct manipulation of an organism's genome using biotechnology. New DNA may be inserted in the host genome by first isolating and copying the genetic material of interest using molecular cloning methods to generate a DNA sequence, or by synthesizing the DNA, and then inserting this construct into the host organism.




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Genetic engineering is the process of manually adding new DNA to an organism. The goal is to add one or more new traits that are not already found in that organism. Examples of genetically engineered (transgenic) organisms currently on the market include plants with resistance to some insects, plants that can tolerate herbicides, and crops with modified oil content.




Selective breeding, is NOT and will not ever be GMO, by definition.
It is not physically possible to cross salmon genes with a tomato plant by selective breeding.


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