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Inocuole
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Re: If light is so important [Re: mustangbob3]
#21286460 - 02/17/15 04:57 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nobody else but us is growing them so what we want seems pretty relevant. No other species gives a fuck, that's for sure.
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mustangbob3
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Re: If light is so important [Re: Inocuole]
#21286574 - 02/17/15 06:24 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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the discussion was about creating/changing conditions for the benefit of the growth of the mushrooms. just a discussion.
i dont think anyone is saying we all should or need to change what we already do as it works so well. (if it aint broke, dont fix it)
but if have gone to the effort of optimising every aspect of your grow and are still wishing to experiment , this is one bastion that is left realativly untouched and this discussion would be a great resource to draw infomation from to aid in your own experiments 
it may not be necessary but that dosent mean there is not any benefits from 'dialing in' phototropic responses
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Re: If light is so important [Re: mustangbob3]
#21286581 - 02/17/15 06:28 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well of course, but since cost efficiency is a thing we have to worry about, we're kinda still waiting on new technology or bright ideas that can make it even cheaper for us to play around with that sort of thing. Otherwise, I doubt using special lights will ever matter that much over a good old daylight bulb.
Haven't tests already been done on all this anyway?
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Re: If light is so important [Re: Inocuole]
#21286602 - 02/17/15 06:42 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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yes i agree wholeheartedly about cost
the conversation has swayed somewhat so by tests, what tests have already been done? what was the tests aim in proving exactly?
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Mr. Alien
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Re: If light is so important [Re: mustangbob3]
#21286701 - 02/17/15 07:41 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Come on guys, we will never replicate nature 100% without spending $$$$$, that's true. But that's no reason to grow them in total darkness "because cubes could be alien mushrooms". Just put a CFL at a 12/12 hours cycle, that's the closest thing to nature we can get for now and it works fine. Cubes likes light isn't that what we learned over decades of growing cubes?
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Inocuole said: Well of course, but since cost efficiency is a thing we have to worry about, we're kinda still waiting on new technology or bright ideas that can make it even cheaper for us to play around with that sort of thing. Otherwise, I doubt using special lights will ever matter that much over a good old daylight bulb.
Haven't tests already been done on all this anyway?
Which is basically what i said here
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Mr. Alien said: As van told me, if they grow in open fields, on a cloudy day, they easily receive anywhere from 1000 to 20000 lux units or even more, depending on the day hour, even they may get direct sunlight which is like infinite lux units lol.
Generating 20000 lux units will have a big impact on your electricity bill. If you want to recreate the light environment, you would have to program the light to start at 0 lux units(night time) and start raising the lux units gradually simulating the daybreak all the way to 12:00 o'clock PM (20000 lux units or so) then gradually decreasing lux units simulating the afternoon light all the way to night time. And we are not taking into account the light color spectrum, because in nature cubes don't grow at a fixed wavelength spectrum of 6500K. We would have to automate also light wavelength spectrum.
Too much $ and too much automatisation devices $$. Is a dream guys, cubes grows fine with an average 6500 K bulb light.
I found it more interesting when we were discussing if wether or not mushrooms harvest energy from light similar to plants and if so how they could be doing that? This talk about replicating nature light conditions to the perfection sounds very expensive just to get a little more closer to what nature really does...
As inocoule said we are at the expense of a new technology to come out to try new things, until now our CFL's at 12/12 works pretty damn good. And IMO i do think replicating nature is the most intelligent thing to do but that's doesn't mean we have to replicate the exacts conditions, just to be close enough works fine.
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Re: If light is so important [Re: Mr. Alien]
#21286921 - 02/17/15 09:00 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm still baffled as to why people still quote and use the logic from TMC where the flash of the camera was believed to induce pinning when cubes pin in total darkness 
When the author himself retracts it we should stop quoting it
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Re: If light is so important [Re: spacechildo]
#21286993 - 02/17/15 09:18 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Cubes do pin in total darkness, poorly and abort like crazy
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spacechildo
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abort due to lack of light??!?? not in my exp!
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Re: If light is so important [Re: spacechildo]
#21287077 - 02/17/15 09:43 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: I'm still baffled as to why people still quote and use the logic from TMC where the flash of the camera was believed to induce pinning when cubes pin in total darkness 
When the author himself retracts it we should stop quoting it 
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Re: If light is so important [Re: spacechildo]
#21287085 - 02/17/15 09:47 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: abort due to lack of light??!?? not in my exp!
You have experimented in grown in the dark?
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PinPornProducer said:
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spacechildo said: abort due to lack of light??!?? not in my exp!
You have experimented in grown in the dark?
Yes i think so. that's why he said "in my exp"
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spacechildo said: abort due to lack of light??!?? not in my exp!
You have experimented in grown in the dark?
A long time ago yeah. forgot about stuff that were "incubating" inside a black bag and blanket, crappy shrooms but not amazing amounts of aborts 
of newer date I have some grown in dark buckets with close to no light with proper fae and they just look sad, not many aborts.
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Re: If light is so important [Re: Mr. Alien]
#21287180 - 02/17/15 10:16 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Mr. Alien said:
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PinPornProducer said:
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spacechildo said: abort due to lack of light??!?? not in my exp!
You have experimented in grown in the dark?
Yes i think so. that's why he said "in my exp"
Don't believe I directed that question toward you, so there is no need for you to try and answer it
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SGFC(Shotgun Fruiting Chamber), Monotub Tek, Damion5050's Coir Tek, TL's Tek List, Frank's Tek List,
EvilMushroom666's Pasteurization Tek, How It Should & Shouldn't Look - NEW CULTIVATORS GUIDE
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Mr. Alien
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But he said he had experience working with cubes in the dark, that's why he said "in my experience" there is no need for you to tell him "Are you sure?" in the first place. Just saying...
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Re: If light is so important [Re: Mr. Alien]
#21287218 - 02/17/15 10:27 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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You are implying something that never happened lol, I never asked him "are you sure" you grew in the dark. I asked him if he has experimented with growing in the dark, ya know, like an actual question...
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spacechildo
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"experiments" on the shroomery are rarely true experiments so I'd have no say no on the same note I called your experiment a non-experiment.
but in my experience darkness doesnt = aborts.
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#21287257 - 02/17/15 10:37 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Mr. Alien
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I know you did not actually say "are you sure?" lol
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PinPornProducer said: You have experimented in grown in the dark?
but that question you made to him kinda sound like that when he already stated he have experience working in the dark. Also what he said. Real experiments requieres isolates and a control tub, etc.. and stuff nobody does because most of us are lazy cultivators and we can only talk about "in our experience"...
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Re: If light is so important [Re: Mr. Alien]
#21287293 - 02/17/15 10:44 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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