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Offlinejannick1991
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vermuculite as substrate no coir?
    #21286568 - 02/17/15 06:21 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

hello

is it ok to only use vermiclite as substrate then mixed it with some colinized rye jars.

if yes is there any thing i should do with the vermiculite before mixng, like steralizesation or pastaurisation ?

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Re: vermuculite as substrate no coir? [Re: jannick1991]
    #21286580 - 02/17/15 06:27 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Vermiculite is non nutritive, so you wont see the advantages of bulk. I think you can just do a casing layer with straight spawn, but that isn't ideal per say. Yes, you do have to pasteurize it for maximum safety.

Is there a reason you don't want to use coir? The bucket tek is extremely straightforward, and you will see the benefits quickly.


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Re: vermuculite as substrate no coir? [Re: RideAllBears]
    #21286591 - 02/17/15 06:31 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: vermuculite as substrate no coir? [Re: RideAllBears]
    #21286600 - 02/17/15 06:41 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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RideAllBears said:
Vermiculite is non nutritive, so you wont see the advantages of bulk. I think you can just do a casing layer with straight spawn, but that isn't ideal per say. Yes, you do have to pasteurize it for maximum safety.

Is there a reason you don't want to use coir? The bucket tek is extremely straightforward, and you will see the benefits quickly.




i have not yet ordered i my coir, but i have3 maybe 4 jars there is a little bit contamed by bacteria very little to or three grains were it is vissible :smile:

so i was thinking i would try a experiment from theese jars and try use them anyway but only by using verm as substrate :smile: would it help on the nutritive problem if i i used gypsum and water to soak the verm maybe ? :smile:

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Re: vermuculite as substrate no coir? [Re: jannick1991]
    #21286604 - 02/17/15 06:44 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Nope.


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Re: vermuculite as substrate no coir? [Re: Psilicon]
    #21286608 - 02/17/15 06:49 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

In that case, spawn them. Hydrate and pasteurize pure verm (you'll have to find a tek for that) and case it, and separate it from the rest of your grow area. You might get something.


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Re: vermuculite as substrate no coir? [Re: Psilicon]
    #21286609 - 02/17/15 06:50 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

It's fine with just verm, not the best, but its fine.

You know those grow kits that people are hating on all the time? They usually consist of a layer of spawn in the bottom, and just a moist vermiculite layer on top of the spawn. Lid on and let colonize.

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Re: vermuculite as substrate no coir? [Re: Yerow]
    #21286657 - 02/17/15 07:28 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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It's fine with just verm, not the best, but its fine.

You know those grow kits that people are hating on all the time? They usually consist of a layer of spawn in the bottom, and just a moist vermiculite layer on top of the spawn. Lid on and let colonize.




Yea, but most grow kits suck. And for the most part, the people putting them together are just trying to make a fast buck. They don't give a fuck if you get a good yield or even any fruits at all.

Straight verm doesn;t colonize hardly at all. I use it for casings sometimes and it doesn't get hardly any mycelium on it.

I would not base ANYTHING on what I've seen a grow kit consist of....lol.


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Re: vermuculite as substrate no coir? [Re: RideAllBears]
    #21286677 - 02/17/15 07:33 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

ok thankx for your replies :wink:

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Re: vermuculite as substrate no coir? [Re: Yerow]
    #21286691 - 02/17/15 07:37 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Yerow said:
It's fine with just verm, not the best, but its fine.

You know those grow kits that people are hating on all the time? They usually consist of a layer of spawn in the bottom, and just a moist vermiculite layer on top of the spawn. Lid on and let colonize.




yeah i know them i tried them a few times :smile: if i do it wouldn i have to use perlite to as bottom layer ?

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Re: vermuculite as substrate no coir? [Re: jannick1991]
    #21286713 - 02/17/15 07:45 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Hmmm. Can't wait to do my first bucket. I don't think I will be trying to put anything with contams in any kind of experiment though.
Just skip some steps. Tie it up in a trash bag and carry it to the curb. Experiment complete. I am a big fan of experimentation but if you are going to do it do it right.
These contams could be hard to get rid of. They may contam. Any future grows.


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Re: vermuculite as substrate no coir? [Re: jannick1991]
    #21286829 - 02/17/15 08:33 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah nah do not use perlite in the bottom, the mycelium will just colonize it and might eventually waterlog your cake. They put it in there to humidify the plastic bag grow room whenever it is colonized, i suppose.

Anyways, for those few bad replies to my solution for him, he asked if it was possible to use verm as a substrate, and it is 100% possible, just used the grow kits as an example. And that being said, honestly i've only had AWESOME flushes from the first few grow kits i bought. :mindblown:

Only bad ones are the ones with plastic tub, humidifier, hygrometer and all that kinda wierd shit they just throw in a bundle and for 300 bucks lol. :shrug:

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Re: vermuculite as substrate no coir? [Re: Yerow]
    #21287259 - 02/17/15 10:37 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Yerow said:
Yeah nah do not use perlite in the bottom, the mycelium will just colonize it and might eventually waterlog your cake.





I agree not to use it in the bottom.

But didn't know it colonizes perlite?

I thought perlite was non-nutritious....:shrug:

As far as paying for a grow kit..... I think I had about $4 in this 'lil project. (including the cost of the 2 tubs).

Notice the vermiculite casing layer? It is not colonized either.



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