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Middleman

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I was reading that high wattage creates way more nasty chemicals, has anyone else heard about that?
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a lot of scientific studies are just paid for to prove someones already decided opinion. I mean ANYTHING is possible so I mean no matter what some study says at the end of the day everything is subjective.
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It's not subjective at all. They were running CHINESE juice at EXTREMELY HIGH voltages on shitty prebuilt clearomizers, overheating the coils to EXTREME amounts (called a "dry puff") in COMPLETELY unrealistic, non-real world "experiments".. blowing through tons of juice. It was not a realistic test AT ALL, and they did not find formaldehyde, but formaldehyde hemiacetals .. which there is zero evidence they are toxic or carcinogenic at all. Basically it was a completely non-scientific, deceptive test and EXTREMELY misleading, meant to sensationalize and demonize ecigs and funded by the tobacco companies. That didn't stop a billion news articles from being published saying "Ecigs found to have 10 times the level of formaldehyde as regular cigarettes". Total fucking bullshit.
It makes me very angry.
Here's some REAL research. http://www.news-medical.net/news/20091104/Propylene-glycol-in-e-cigarettes-might-keep-us-healthy-says-researchers.aspx
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/e-cigarettes-may-be-more-effective-than-swine-flu-vaccine-68835517.html
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EVERYTHING is subjective look it up.
aand reread what I said and reread what you said.
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Shroomism
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Right, they were paid to "prove" someone's already decided opinion, but that doesn't mean you can't look at the study OBJECTIVELY and see how it is is completely retarded, unscientific bullshit, just made to make sensationalist claims and spread fear-mongering, which is exactly what it was designed to do. They were running 16watts on a device not even designed to run that high, so they were overheating the coil and burning the wick, and then running it for 3-4 seconds at a time over 100 seconds and measuring it with a machine. They burned through the equivalent of 6 liters of juice in a single day to get their "figures". Most vapers go through 4-5ml a day. A vaper doing THEIR TEST wouldn't have been able to stand the taste for a HALF A SECOND because it would be absolutely wretched. You CANNOT recreate their test in the real world because it was a completely and utterly unrealistic test. Not everything is subjective. Opinions are subjective. Facts are facts.
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Rev. Morton said: I was reading that high wattage creates way more nasty chemicals, has anyone else heard about that?
Your worried about breathing nasty chems?! With e-juice your essentially inhaling an un naturally occurring oil that is infused with synthetic flavonoids. Its like those folks with the American spirts talking shit about regular cigs. They are all bad for you and I'd suggest you stay away from huffing anything weather it be e-juice, fumes, and solvents if your worried about nasty chemicals.
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Re: Ecig Mods [Re: 2shoes]
#21273526 - 02/14/15 02:34 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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I suppose by that rationale, asthma inhalers (which contain propylene glycol) are bad for your lungs too with all those 'nasty chemicals'. It's an organic compound bub, that has been well research for over 70 years and is proven to be a potent germicide and is actually good for your lungs and especially good for people with lung conditions. As for flavorings, you can get plant-based, food grade, organic flavors or no flavor at all if you want. To date there is no solid evidence based in reality that vaping ecigs from USP grade PG/VG and natural flavors are "bad" for you and a lot of evidence that they are actually good.
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I have the iStick 30W as well and it's been bulletproof for me so far. I've dropped it many times without issue.
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I do have a question though. I have the Aspire Atlantis .5 ohm tank on the iStick 30W and Aspire has 20-30W printed on the coils. Is there any danger in running it with less wattage? I don't like the hotter vapor and popping I get from the higher wattage, and actually prefer running it around 10W.
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Shroomism
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No. The danger would be in running higher wattage than something is rated for.
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I'm gunna go with the Joyetech eVic Supreme. I really don't like the box shaped setups, They just dont feel right to my hand to smoke off of. Was going to just get the original eVic since its cheaper but it looks like the supreme adressed some issues with how strong it was and I'll pay extra for all the bug fixes. The software part of it I don't really care about since its mostly gimmicky stuff but apparently its not common for MOD manufacturers to put charging ports on their devices like is common with all smaller ego batteries. I've only found a few that have it and 3 of the 4 use software and remote configuration stuff as a selling point so they need the usb interface and charging through it is just a side effect.
Hopefully this will be the LAST battery setup I'll need to buy. The batteries are about 15 bucks or so to replace when they die which is way better then how much I've spent in the last year replacing stupid stick batteries.
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Here is a link to it on gotvapes..
http://www.gotvapes.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=446&products_id=2795
You're seller actually had it cheaper but out of stock. 
This one by Smok uses bluetooth which is neato in its own right, but doesn't have a damn USB port to charge it. At least not that I can see anywhere on the net.
http://www.gotvapes.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=104_435&products_id=2737
Since I work nights and sleep during the day I spend a lot of my downtime in my bedroom watching TV or movies, so having my vape plugged in for passthrough style use is a requirement. I'm actually surprised having a passthrough charging port isn't standard operating procedure on EVERY ecig battery now a days. Seems to me with the MOD's it would be a lot easier then taking the batteries out to charge them in an external charger, and with stick style a usb port is quicker to interface then the ego threaded chargers, not to mention you cant actually USE y our device when its on an ego charger.
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Looks like a pretty nice device. Only goes to 0.5 ohms though Kinda pricey too
I'm not sure why a USB port for charging isn't standard on a lot of these mods. Well for a mech mod, that wouldn't work because there's no circuitry.. so no overcurrent protection etc etc etc. With charging high amperage batteries you need a quality charger and all those failsafes.. probably ups the cost a lot on a device to do so.
I have multiple 18650 batteries though and I've gotten into the habit of always having 2 extra on me to switch out and I have a charger at home and at work so it's never an issue. When a battery gets low I just pop a fully charged one in and throw it on the charger.
My next one is actually going to be the Sigelei 150w after looking around some more - http://www.eciggity.com/sigelei-150w-box-mod/ Goes down to 0.1 ohms... which I usually run at 0.3 ohms, but want to experiment with lower resistance a little. Spring loaded copper pin for the best conductivity. And I saw a post earlier where someone forgot it on the roof of his car and it flew off and hit the road while going 60MPH.. he went back and got it and it was all scratched up but still works just as good.. so I know it's a durable little fucker.
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Pretty sure that study came out of Portland State University ... What I hate about as much is the media here trying to fuel their careers by creating a public outcry for regulation.
On a side note, anyone know of any dank premium vendors w/ a solid step down on milligrams of nicotine? I'm vaping 3mg of seduce right now exclusively, mostly snake venom... I'll probably just buy a handful of bottles of 3mg/0mg and mix parts, but have tentative plans to rid myself of nicotine and just quit all together slowly over the next year. If anyone knows some really dope ejuice in 2mg even, that would work, cost doesn't really matter at this point as I have a goal in mind. It seems the better the ejuice, the more I can cut back on nicotine - it's a fair trade.
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http://vantuckyvape.com/
New vendor.. I believe they are based near you too. (Washington I think) Lets you choose a custom nic level. Their juice is pretty decent from what I have so far. Also the only vendor I've seen that sell ejuice and beard softener
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that's insanely near me, vantucky is in reference to vancouver, wa, it's part of PDX...
here's a spoof on Portlandia for Vancouver, WA
and thanks, will give it a try... not usually into fruity flavors but a fuji apple flavor hits too close to home for me not to try once
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Shroomism said: I suppose by that rationale, asthma inhalers (which contain propylene glycol) are bad for your lungs too with all those 'nasty chemicals'. It's an organic compound bub, that has been well research for over 70 years and is proven to be a potent germicide and is actually good for your lungs and especially good for people with lung conditions. As for flavorings, you can get plant-based, food grade, organic flavors or no flavor at all if you want. To date there is no solid evidence based in reality that vaping ecigs from USP grade PG/VG and natural flavors are "bad" for you and a lot of evidence that they are actually good.
Ignorance is bliss, but I guess your right and I'm wrong. I'm still skeptical on your claims vaping e-juice being good for you and ZERO evidence of it being bad. I know I'm no scientist but using the words organic doesn't make it good for you. Im also wrong in assuming everyone uses a flavored juice.
So your saying if you vape a lot you should buy an oil air separator so you can re-claim your juice since heat doesn't degrade or change anything at all (inhaler doesn't apply heat). Since no degradation or reactions happens during the heat cycle it will be and taste the exact same?
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Re: Ecig Mods [Re: 2shoes]
#21286656 - 02/17/15 07:27 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: IMO get yourself a box mod. Then you will have variable voltage/wattage / fancy screen with the ability to use whatever 18650 batteries you want.
The sigelei 100w looks pro as fuck and is the next thing on my list to get - http://www.myvaporstore.com/Sigelei-100W-p/sig-100wb.htm
Don't get Efest batteries though, they suck. Use Samsung 25Rs or Sony VTC4s/5s if you can find them. Batteries are single handedly THE most important part, ESPECIALLY when sub-ohming. Never cheap out on shitty batteries ever. It's like having a top of the line PC and then getting a shitty $20 bottom of the barrel generic chinese made PSU. These stories you hear about ecig batteries exploding or whatever, is due to people using cheap ass generic chinese shit batteries or ecigs.
LEGIT Sony VTC5s are 2600mAh with a 30A max continuous discharge and a 60A peak. You gotta be careful though, as the Sonys are out of production.. and there are a lot of fakes out there. But some places still have them. The Samsung 25Rs are easier to find but not QUITE as good as the legit Sonys, but still very good.
But if you arent into the box mods shape, just go ahead and grab a mech. IME they are waaaay better than the standard VvVw units you get. No ohm limiters or any of that nonsense, which used to annoy the snot out of me when I was using mine. If you want to change the performance just build the coils that suit your needs and vape away. Then just swap out for a fresh batt whenever the current battery isnt full anymore.
The other nice thing about mechs are that there isn't as large a difference unit to unit as far as performance goes as there is in the VvVw ones. Meaning, they are all unregulated so the only difference between them (as far as I am concerned) is the material they are made of (I find solid copper to provide the best punch), the quality and style of the button, and finally the looks and style of the actual mod...
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Rev. Morton said: I was reading that high wattage creates way more nasty chemicals, has anyone else heard about that?
Heard that once, but the tests were unrealistic. I do not believe during normal usage (even sub ohming), you would come close to worrying about this.
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Shroomism said: I suppose by that rationale, asthma inhalers (which contain propylene glycol) are bad for your lungs too with all those 'nasty chemicals'. It's an organic compound bub, that has been well research for over 70 years and is proven to be a potent germicide and is actually good for your lungs and especially good for people with lung conditions. As for flavorings, you can get plant-based, food grade, organic flavors or no flavor at all if you want. To date there is no solid evidence based in reality that vaping ecigs from USP grade PG/VG and natural flavors are "bad" for you and a lot of evidence that they are actually good.
Ignorance is bliss, but I guess your right and I'm wrong. I'm still skeptical on your claims vaping e-juice being good for you and ZERO evidence of it being bad. I know I'm no scientist but using the words organic doesn't make it good for you. Im also wrong in assuming everyone uses a flavored juice.
So your saying if you vape a lot you should buy an oil air separator so you can re-claim your juice since heat doesn't degrade or change anything at all (inhaler doesn't apply heat). Since no degradation or reactions happens during the heat cycle it will be and taste the exact same?
I, for one, am not here to argue the topic. I only speak from my experience. I started vaping to quit smoking. I was a smoker for 10+years. I started vaping a bit over a year ago, and after going through a few different styles of vaporizers, from the little pen vape things to vvvw mods and bouncing back to smoking a couple of times, I finally got a true unregulated mod and havent smoked since I got it, over 6 months ago.
Im no scientist, so I cant say vaping is good for you, but I can tell you how I feel. For the last 6 months, I have vaped HEAVILY with my setup every single day. I run my coils at anywhere from .15-.3 ohms and go through an average of 15mls of juice every single day, and have never felt healthier. I feel waaaay better than when I was smoking. I can actually go running without hacking up a lung in the process and I feel overall healthier than before.
So, the way I see it, vaping cant be bad for you. At least, it is waaaaay better for you than smoking. It is the only way I was able to quit smoking, and I tried all the other ways to quit.
On another note, I have 2 other friends that weren't smokers and started vaping just to blow clouds, and they haven't experienced any negative health effects. Ofc, they dont vape as much juice as I do per day, but still.... just my 2c
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