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Some questions on Changa
#21281128 - 02/16/15 03:34 AM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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After doing DMT I have decided to try Changa. Normally on DMT i would smoke 50mg in 1 hit and I instantly breakthrough.
Surprisingly, I haven't found much information on Changa, about doses etc. I see people talking about ratios, like 1:1, 1:3 etc. I assume that is the ratio of DMT:Changa right? My dealer said there is 50% DMT so I guess that means 1:1. Will the dose matter on what kind of ratio it is? How many mg of changa should I smoke compared to 50mg DMT? Or could someone give me some list like DMT on erowid? Threshold 2 - 5 mg Light 10 - 20 mg Common 20 - 40 mg Strong 40 - 60 mg
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Re: Some questions on Changa [Re: Ego Trip]
#21281219 - 02/16/15 05:16 AM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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as far as i was aware, you put as much of the plant as you do dmt really not sure though, if you don't mind me asking, what method do you use to breakthrough on one hit.
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SirShroomsAlott said: as far as i was aware, you put as much of the plant as you do dmt really not sure though, if you don't mind me asking, what method do you use to breakthrough on one hit.
Normal pipe, sandwich method. 50mg and take one huge hit, hold it in until you're totally gone and unable to keep it in any longer. If you can't breakthrough, increase your dose and keep it in longer.
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Re: Some questions on Changa [Re: Ego Trip]
#21281264 - 02/16/15 05:51 AM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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2parts mullein to one part rue extract. I gently smoke it til I feel fuzzy. Then I do 1:1:1 (mullein:lavendar:dmt). I smoke it gently till reality starts to run together.
I like that method because I can interact with a different reality. With a one hit breakthrough I feel like a baby giraffe just dropped onto the earth and into a new reality when it was born. I can appreciate that on a certain level, but earth shattering experiences every weekend loose their magic at some point.
I have tried various ratios with various leaf carriers, and every combo has been unique and has never been short of amazing. I know you might want to hear the perfect combo, but all I can say is have fun searching for what works for you.
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Re: Some questions on Changa [Re: maynard]
#21281269 - 02/16/15 05:55 AM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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maynard said: 2parts mullein to one part rue extract. I gently smoke it til I feel fuzzy. Then I do 1:1:1 (mullein:lavendar:dmt). I smoke it gently till reality starts to run together.
I like that method because I can interact with a different reality. With a one hit breakthrough I feel like a baby giraffe just dropped onto the earth and into a new reality when it was born. I can appreciate that on a certain level, but earth shattering experiences every weekend loose their magic at some point.
I have tried various ratios with various leaf carriers, and every combo has been unique and has never been short of amazing. I know you might want to hear the perfect combo, but all I can say is have fun searching for what works for you.
My dealer sais it's 50% DMT. I just want to know the dose to take. Would it still be the same or double the dose?
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Re: Some questions on Changa [Re: Ego Trip]
#21281297 - 02/16/15 06:14 AM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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I could not tell you that. The experience is altogether different. Like comparing apples and oranges. The real game changer is how well you are dosed with the plant based maoi. If it was 50% dmt, what is the maoi and leaf ratio?
How well do you know your dealer? I have often seen it shared and shared it myself when I was really blessed, but never seen it for sale. If someone said it was 50%, I would verify they laid it on the leaf themselves. If I couldn't do that, I would never truly take their word for it.
I would buy more than you think you need, then smoke till you can't. If you are "lucky" you will have some left for the next time.
To be honest, you might be better off buying Acacia confusa (or mhrb if you are lucky), making enough for you and to share with friends for free though. That way you know the dose and will have enough to revisit the sweet spot you find.
Edited by maynard (02/16/15 06:16 AM)
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Re: Some questions on Changa [Re: maynard]
#21281764 - 02/16/15 09:18 AM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Your dmt dose will remain relatively the same. If your Changa is 50/50. Then 100mg changa= 50mg dmt. A although depending on how strong the maoi is it could poteniate the dmt. Point of changa is you can take smalltokes over the course of a few mins and each toke will build in intensity. So load up 100mg and just corner the bowl.
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Re: Some questions on Changa [Re: Kief Ledger]
#21281863 - 02/16/15 09:50 AM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've actually looked for the same info and wondered the same thing... I would guess that because the MAOI in changa potentiates dmt, you would need somewhere between 60-80% in changa, so, if it's 50% dmt, that would mean somewhere between 60 and 80mg changa to replace 50mg dmt. This is really just a guess but it does make sense to me at least. I will be able to experiment with changs soon and will document somewhere the breakthrough doses for others.
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Re: Some questions on Changa [Re: MitchyDee]
#21284513 - 02/16/15 05:57 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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OP-- 50% of what?
The ratio's are the DTM-to-harmalines, which are the same elements in the part of Ayahuasca, often caapi root, but as mentioned above, also Syr. Rue seeds, etc..'
The more harmalines/DMT, the more impact, longer the trip.
If he's saying 50%, you'd have to know if he's talkinng about 1g DMT:1g MAOI/harms soaked in "X"g Changa, etc.
Go to the DMT Nexus and you'll get some good ideas.
I've limited experience with Changa, but from my uderstanding it's a way to lengthen and potentiate or mellow the DMT experience, and the exact herbs used is more or less up to the maker. Lower ratio's like 1:3 are smoother, less wild and more social/user friendly.
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Re: Some questions on Changa [Re: coAsTal]
#21286381 - 02/17/15 03:41 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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coAsTal said: OP-- 50% of what?
The ratio's are the DTM-to-harmalines, which are the same elements in the part of Ayahuasca, often caapi root, but as mentioned above, also Syr. Rue seeds, etc..'
The more harmalines/DMT, the more impact, longer the trip.
If he's saying 50%, you'd have to know if he's talkinng about 1g DMT:1g MAOI/harms soaked in "X"g Changa, etc.
Go to the DMT Nexus and you'll get some good ideas.
I've limited experience with Changa, but from my uderstanding it's a way to lengthen and potentiate or mellow the DMT experience, and the exact herbs used is more or less up to the maker. Lower ratio's like 1:3 are smoother, less wild and more social/user friendly.
I'm talking about 50% DMT in every gram of Changa. So in 1g there is 500mg of DMT; 1:1.
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Re: Some questions on Changa [Re: Ego Trip]
#21286423 - 02/17/15 04:30 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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