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Re: If light is so important [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #21281694 - 02/16/15 09:00 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Yes, they sometimes will orient their cap towards the light, this is because they are deriving energy from it.....




common misconception- they dont absord light from their cap/caonopys but the side of fruitbodys!!




Can't be true. If there is something that absorbs light in a mushroom fruiting body, is the cap. Not for nothing mycologists researchers are investigating specifically mushrooms with black dark caps as they somehow seems to be harvesting energy from light.




which researchers? which project?


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Re: If light is so important [Re: takofako]
    #21281749 - 02/16/15 09:14 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

There is several articles i have read. Here is some.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/05/070522-fungi_2.html

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0000457

http://schaechter.asmblog.org/schaechter/2013/11/radiation-ahead-eat-a-black-mushroom.html

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/radiation-helps-fungi-grow/

Some of those articles are publications from 2007 but if you think about it, is not a very popular field, so you won't find recent articles talking about it.

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Re: If light is so important [Re: takofako]
    #21281758 - 02/16/15 09:16 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

These were grown cold with no light

These are the same strain grown warm with light

The caps on the ones grown cold with no light grew dark, I'm guessing maybe to try and absorb as much heat as possible through any light it comes across. And the ones grown warm and with light, their caps grew light color because other growing conditions such as temp were optimal so be need to absorb energy through light. Just my guess :shrug:

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Re: If light is so important [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #21281784 - 02/16/15 09:23 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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There is several articles i have read. Here is some.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/05/070522-fungi_2.html

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0000457

http://schaechter.asmblog.org/schaechter/2013/11/radiation-ahead-eat-a-black-mushroom.html

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/radiation-helps-fungi-grow/

Some of those articles are publications from 2007 but if you think about it, is not a very popular field, so you won't find recent articles talking about it.





i think they are good, they dont  need to be brand new :smile: thank you. i think now they are more similar to plants because plants are doing the same thing, they have primal growth sector on the very top of them that relases hormones, so i think mush caps are doing the same thing like that. and that hormones are effective on the fruit body


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Re: If light is so important [Re: bw86] * 1
    #21281788 - 02/16/15 09:24 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I recently had a few tubs that were having subpar pinsets.

When i harvested them i believe the top produced 120 wet grams,  i flipped over the substrate and found 600+ wet grams on the underside where there was no light/FAE.

Hope this gives some insight, im still kinda confused

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Re: If light is so important [Re: takofako]
    #21281884 - 02/16/15 09:56 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

The truth is that mushrooms somehow are derivating energy from the light. It has something to do with melanin i think. As if mushrooms somehow learned to use melanin for their own benefit.

People generally have close minds and think that if mushrooms lack in chlorophyl there is no possible way for them to harvest energy from light and they refuse to think that mushrooms could have other ways to do it. We took decades to understand well how plants do their thing.

Some other persons have open minds..

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How could mushrooms use light as energy without chlorophyll?



Because they're not plants. Nor are solar panels which without chlorophyll derive energy  from light and use it to create electricity.


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If you are going to assert that mushrooms get energy from light, you are going against the teachings of every basic biology textbook.


 
Cool, I'm honored. Up until recently, nearly every biology textbook proclaimed mushrooms/fungi to be plants.  I'm also glad the Wright Brothers didn't pay attention to all the textbooks which proclaimed that "heavier than air mechanical flight was a physical impossibility".

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Re: If light is so important [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #21281904 - 02/16/15 10:01 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Yes, they sometimes will orient their cap towards the light, this is because they are deriving energy from it.....




common misconception- they dont absord light from their cap/caonopys but the side of fruitbodys!!




Can't be true. If there is something that absorbs light in a mushroom fruiting body, is the cap. Not for nothing mycologists researchers are investigating specifically mushrooms with black dark caps as they somehow seems to be harvesting energy from light.




would this be energy in the form of heat? seems obvious :smile:
and the info about light being absorbs from the sides not the canopy was from hamloaf, so maybe he will chime in and explain :smile:

and opinions cant be trusted alien, van lied to you!!
in direct light the sun does not have infinite lux levels.
the lux levels of planet earth range from average 50k-100k lux at surface in full sun ,that is scientific fact if you live on our planet!!

its out put changes minimally but distance varys depending what part of the ellipse we are on during orbit affecting levels

Edited by mustangbob3 (02/16/15 10:10 AM)

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Re: If light is so important [Re: PinPornProducer]
    #21281911 - 02/16/15 10:03 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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These were grown cold with no light

These are the same strain grown warm with light

The caps on the ones grown cold with no light grew dark, I'm guessing maybe to try and absorb as much heat as possible through any light it comes across. And the ones grown warm and with light, their caps grew light color because other growing conditions such as temp were optimal so be need to absorb energy through light. Just my guess :shrug:



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Re: If light is so important [Re: PinPornProducer]
    #21281962 - 02/16/15 10:17 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

very interesting!! could they have just been more wet from less air currents in the dark and in the light, the light heats the air causing air current and incresed perspiration = lighter caps??

still interesting input ppp


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Re: If light is so important [Re: mustangbob3]
    #21281974 - 02/16/15 10:20 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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mustangbob3 said:
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Yes, they sometimes will orient their cap towards the light, this is because they are deriving energy from it.....




common misconception- they dont absord light from their cap/caonopys but the side of fruitbodys!!




Can't be true. If there is something that absorbs light in a mushroom fruiting body, is the cap. Not for nothing mycologists researchers are investigating specifically mushrooms with black dark caps as they somehow seems to be harvesting energy from light.




would this be energy in the form of heat? seems obvious :smile:
and the info about light being absorbs from the sides not the canopy was from hamloaf, so maybe he will chime in and explain :smile:




Think about oysters, those mushrooms have notorious fruiting deficiencies when they are grown with not enough light or any light at all. If they are harvesting energy from the heat of the lights(which could be also probably possible) instead of the light radiation, why we have seen successful oysters grows that were grown with LED lights that barely generates heat?

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Re: If light is so important [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #21282012 - 02/16/15 10:32 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

hhmmmm makes one think dosent it :smile:

*scratches head*

well you have silenced me lol


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Re: If light is so important [Re: mustangbob3]
    #21282102 - 02/16/15 10:53 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

But I'm sure another heat source is being used, not just LED lighting

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Re: If light is so important [Re: PinPornProducer]
    #21282522 - 02/16/15 12:18 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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These were grown cold with no light

These are the same strain grown warm with light

The caps on the ones grown cold with no light grew dark, I'm guessing maybe to try and absorb as much heat as possible through any light it comes across. And the ones grown warm and with light, their caps grew light color because other growing conditions such as temp were optimal so be need to absorb energy through light. Just my guess :shrug:






I was like "Why did they ignore this?"

Great experiment,

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Re: If light is so important [Re: PinPornProducer]
    #21282576 - 02/16/15 12:28 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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But I'm sure another heat source is being used, not just LED lighting




Yes, the heat generated by the own substrates.


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Re: If light is so important [Re: taGyo]
    #21282624 - 02/16/15 12:38 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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These were grown cold with no light

These are the same strain grown warm with light

The caps on the ones grown cold with no light grew dark, I'm guessing maybe to try and absorb as much heat as possible through any light it comes across. And the ones grown warm and with light, their caps grew light color because other growing conditions such as temp were optimal so be need to absorb energy through light. Just my guess :shrug:






I was like "Why did they ignore this?"

Great experiment,

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Re: If light is so important [Re: PinPornProducer]
    #21282638 - 02/16/15 12:41 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Did you notice any other differences between the grows? Did one pin more, did another have the caps open earlier, etc.

Where the shrooms in the dark bucket growing straight up or at any angle? The one in your pic looks a little curved. Did you notice that same angle in all the shrooms?

I have some GT in cased grains and they're all leaning towards the light.


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Re: If light is so important [Re: PinPornProducer]
    #21282663 - 02/16/15 12:45 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Your experiment just verifies that your cubes caps turn darker to absorb more light. Which is basically what i said about dark pigmentation on mushrooms caps before. Is that MS?

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Re: If light is so important [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #21282684 - 02/16/15 12:49 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

one time I thought I had albino transkei mushrooms but I think it was insufficient lighting. I'm suprised the color of the caps changed at all in the light starved mushrooms

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Re: If light is so important [Re: taGyo]
    #21282720 - 02/16/15 12:55 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

These are not the ones in the bucket, the bucket has been in dark since spawned and are very hollow, poor pinset, small but do grow straight up. The dark capped ones were colonized and pinned under a 4' 6500k tube light and moved to the dark after pinning. The curved one was a bottom pin actually. They were solid and grew pretty tall before breaking veil, I also noticed most of them did not sporulate.
The ones grown in light broke veil earlier than the dark ones and were also not quite as dense. Pinsets were pretty equal on both because they were both pinned under extreme lighting

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Re: If light is so important [Re: PinPornProducer]
    #21282930 - 02/16/15 01:32 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

you guys are too funny lol, this is why i opted not to talk lighting but bl is spot on, far more things at play when you take fungi's geotropic responses into consideration....brb


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