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Am I missing something?
    #21281691 - 02/16/15 08:58 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Hi Everyone,

I'm fairly new to this forum but I wanted to reach out to people with more experience with mushrooms than myself.

I recently took my first trip a little over a month ago with about 20 grams fresh of B+.  It was a great experience, not too intense but very enlightening. 

So I decided to up the dosage.  I went up to about 3.5 grams dry lemon-teked about 8 days later and the feeling was slightly stronger but certainly not overwhelming.  I've read numerous reports about crazy trip reports where individuals were losing a sense of self at 5+ grams.

So I decided to get crazy and do 52 grams wet after a 10 day wash out.  But I'm just not getting it.  This was my 3rd trip off of 3 different cakes and All I'm getting is a body buzz and some slight OEVs.  Nothing crazy by any stretch of the means.  It feels like I drank a 6 pack, maybe?  A drunk feeling where my legs are jelly for a few hours.

What am I missing here?  Should I go for around 7 grams dry next?  And I've never had a trip last longer than about 3 hours.  Yea I feel a little spacey for the next 6 or so hours, but the majority of my trips have pretty much been wrapped up in 2.5-3 hours after onset.

I don't want this to come across as disrespecting mycology or mushrooms in general.  The hobby is truly extraordinary and I find it fascinating.  I guess I was just expecting to be knocked off my feet once I hit the 5 gram mark, but maybe I need to go big.  I thought 5 grams was supposed to be the heroic dose?  Was a 10 day wash out not enough? 

After growing for a few months and really experimenting with doses, I'm ready to take a big leap.  Any advice on where I should go from here?  By the way, this forum has been very helpful every step of the way. Thank you all.  I searched around for some answers but decided to reach out and converse with you guys myself.


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Re: Am I missing something? [Re: bsfurr]
    #21281724 - 02/16/15 09:09 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

sounds like bad genetics or something. 5 grams dried of B+ and I am gone for about 4 hours. asking my wife if I died.


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Re: Am I missing something? [Re: bsfurr]
    #21281732 - 02/16/15 09:11 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

So these are the first mushrooms you've grown? If you used a multi-spore inoculation, which I'm sure you did, then you don't know what the strength of your mushrooms will be. Shrooms on the same came will vary in potency by a wild amount, let alone different cakes. Research into doing cloning and isolating genetics. That's how you make your shrooms consistent.

Some people find a week or even 10 days is not enough time for their tolerance to drop. I always try to wait at least 2 weeks, but longer is better.


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Re: Am I missing something? [Re: bsfurr]
    #21281949 - 02/16/15 10:14 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

sOunds like tolerance is getting in the way.

If u want full effects, u have to wait about 2 weeks or longer.

Sounds like you are waiting one week.

Also, genetics of your shrooms are inconsistent if u grow multispore.


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Re: Am I missing something? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #21281967 - 02/16/15 10:18 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

yeah, if i read it right, it sounds like you took 3 trips within a month, tolerance definitely being a factor, for me personally, if i don't take atleast 3 weeks in between trips, i notice diminished effects.

and are you on any types of meds? sometimes meds can interfere too.

If you're one of the "terence mckenna followers" then yeah 5g is what he considered a heroic dose, but to anyone who doesn't follow him, it varies person to person, I take an 1/8th, and im fine, my friends take an 1/8th of the same batch, and they're going wild. Some people can just handle more then others, they're the unlucky ones.

Edited by SirShroomsAlott (02/16/15 10:21 AM)

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Re: Am I missing something? [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21282120 - 02/16/15 10:56 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for all the advice everyone.

Yes, I am using multispore inoculation.  This is my first grow.  It has been pretty successful thanks to the Shroomery!  I'll be trying my hand at bulk soon.

Yea, I figured tolerance may have contributed, but its so hard waiting when I have all these new mushrooms just waiting to be eaten lol.  I wouldn't call myself a McKenna follower but I certainly did some research before trying the 5 gram trip.

I'm not on any meds.  My trips have just been a bit weak, so maybe I'll wait a full 2 weeks before my next one and then look into cloning later on. 

I've had a taste.  Now I want to test the limits.  I watched a little bit of Hellraiser on the 5 gram trip... Mother of blue fresh hell!  I danced with the goddamn devil!


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Re: Am I missing something? [Re: bsfurr]
    #21282142 - 02/16/15 11:01 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

dont get me wrong, for your average guy, 5g is still "very intense" but depending on who you ask it might not be considered heroic, you can read through on here and find people who like to take 7g minimum, and upwards of like 20g dry, i tend to have a higher tolerance then most people, wen i attempted 5g, it was like i took a normal 1/8th, i blame that on below average quality shrooms since they were old, but hard to tell considering how much stronger it seems to effect everyone around me, especially when i usually take more then them.

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Re: Am I missing something? [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21282334 - 02/16/15 11:41 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Yea those trip reports are what had me so reluctant at first haha.  I'm almost 30 and live by myself.  I've got a good mindset and really just sit back on my bed and listen to music when I trip.

I read all these trip reports from these high school kids who trip and hide from their parents, or walk down sidewalks in public.  No wonder they have bad trips!  Most of them sound pretty immature and put themselves in precarious positions.

There was one report I was reading the other day where the kid was anxious about his mom picking him up.  I mean, how old is this kid?  Like 14?  I can't relate to this shit :smile:


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Re: Am I missing something? [Re: bsfurr]
    #21285237 - 02/16/15 07:59 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

As stated....potency varies....especially ms grows.  I have some cambodian that will make you feel damn good...but 5 grams is far from heroic.  On the other hand....I have some pe that I have yet to drink (lemon tea) more than 2.2 grams.  At 2.2.....I'm gone....can't even focus on a movie until late in the trip....can't walk.....pretty much headphone and blanket mode.  2.2 of this pe batch is damn close to my personal "heroic" dose.....don't think I'll do much more than that.  DISCLAIMER ****I've eaten 2 g's of my pe and had lessened effects...lemon tek tea is where it's at....if you want maximum effect of your cubes....soak powdered shrooms in lemon juice for minimum 10 minutes...1 hour max..... then pour in 1/2 cup boiling water....stir...let cool a bit....slam it.****

My advice.....keep your harvest separate from cake to cake and crush the shrooms into powder.  This will make each stored batch consistent.  Then use the powder to mix in tea...fill capsules...make chocolates....or just eat and wash it down.


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How long did dinosaurs roam? The time gap between stegosaurus and t-rex is longer than the time gap between t-rex and man.

If geologic time was compressed into a year....man would be born on December 31st at 11:00 pm.

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Re: Am I missing something? [Re: mogul]
    #21290101 - 02/17/15 06:55 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

All of the above, plus there is a tendency for B+ strains to sometimes (NOT ALWAYS) be very weak, if you search around there are a bunch of discussions about bunk B+.


And I've had a similar experience to the PE mentioned above - at like 1.25grams I couldn't see the room because of the golden fractals covering everything, couldn't carry a conversation, wasn't sure if I'd died or if I pissed myself in the chair I was sitting in.  Pretty uncomfortable because I was in a party situation. :smile:


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Re: Am I missing something? [Re: gornyhuy]
    #21290205 - 02/17/15 07:19 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

OP, when in doubt, wait more for the tolerance to go down and take more. Explore adding MAOI to it. Maybe you're a bit of an elephant and need higher doses. Simple compensate for it, take more and keep on rolling. You WILL get there if you keep at it.

Another thing is IMO how you use/abuse the body's energy and/or processing power. This goes to
- Thermal regulation - cold will mess with your trip
- Blood sugar - moving a lot, standing around, being excessively active on trip day before partaking
- Excessive visual processing before the trip, like watching TV, having a bunch of people over, staying eyes-open all the time, talking a lot

These will all decrease your capacity to trip, and especially to have an awesome positive trip. My best trips have always included a sort of initial stretching and twisting to prep the body, maybe light dancing on the come up, then rest (eyes closed, blanket on, sit on couch/bed/armchair for AS LONG AS IT TAKES) and only then the proper magic awakens for me. WHenever I've skimped on the rest phase, the magic was much diminished both in intensity and duration.

Dose-wise, I've taken 5 grams dry with 3 grams of Syrian Rue (MAOI) and it wasn't anywhere near like teh descriptions I've read. I'm sure it was a weaker flush or something, if I do that 4-5 times, at least a couple of them will :eek: me properly, to kingdom come. So persist, keep at it :thumbup:


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