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Re: If light is so important [Re: PinPornProducer]
    #21281430 - 02/16/15 07:16 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I'm just sitting back and laughing watching you guys argue about something with the only proof being thrown around are old RR quotes and inconclusive info and threads. Funny shit

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Re: If light is so important [Re: blindingleaf]
    #21281431 - 02/16/15 07:16 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm no mycologist, but that seems weird.  if that were true, wouldn't we have mushroom stems that form a u shape because they are growing towards the light, but cap still pointing up??  seems to me mostly the cap wants the light.  but i again, i ain't no scientist :shrug:




yes they want to face the right way up to release spores and to know if it has grown up enough to be in air currents to release spores into!


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Re: If light is so important [Re: PinPornProducer]
    #21281438 - 02/16/15 07:19 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm just sitting back and laughing watching you guys argue about something with the only proof being thrown around are old RR quotes and inconclusive info and threads. Funny shit




if u can find a single thread from me in the past 9 months where i spewed out an RR (or any other TC) quote instead of posting my own experience, both words and pictures, ill give u all my prints :P

i respect and admire RR ALOT.  probably more than people might think.  but my own experience is much more valuable to me than his experience, though it has influenced many things i have done, and still do.


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Re: If light is so important [Re: mustangbob3]
    #21281443 - 02/16/15 07:21 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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seems to me thes lots of theory but no body is seeing all the sides of it and uniting the information in some grand overiding theory with explains all responses to light!! i tried here- and i still belive its quite close and explain lots of situations encounted in growing.

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Northerner said:
lightless ones searching for light, grow longer. Common trait. (theory)




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Perhaps rather than feeding on it (which we know they don't) the light is a trigger... but for what exactly? Pinning? sporulation? fruit development? other?





sort of what i was saying with-
wowimflabbergasted- i wonder if the increase of light intensity was a signal the mushrooms and tells them they would have grown above the height of say grass in the wild and at a good height to open caps and release spores into now available air currents.( maybe they know how high they are by increasing intensity of light as they get taller and when reaches a certain intensity triggers sporulation?)

if we look at WOWs pic only the ones in the bright light are bent over- maybe thats harking back to what hamloaf said about light and the side of fruit using it- so them one are bending in the light to show off there sides?




what i would like to see is if after the fruits are activly growing if we increase light intensity can we force the caps to open? thus proving my above thesis.

if this happens, i would guess it is light intensity raising that triggers the slow/reduction of polyol mannitols in the mushrooms (mannitols are responsible for the flush of water entering the fruit and causes cell expansion and upward growth.) and switches function to open caps to sporelate.

it makes sense the mushroom would have evloved to be able to release its spore in the most convienent/successful way and mushrooms that did it this way would pass on their genes to do it.
the mushroom would be using light intensity levels to tell it had grown up enough to sporeulate and light to make sure the cap faces correctly to aid in air currents spreading spores.:smile:

does this not go along way to explain- thinner longer shrooms in lower light(not reaching light trigger), caps opening prematurly in high light., mushrooms growing toward light and caps mostly always facing light source?

im not saying the mushrooms fully rely on light levels to tell them when to open caps but maybe if the mushrooms never reached the light levels required to trigger opening caps, when they reach the natural limit of upward growth they open caps and sporelate anyway even if they light levels are wrong just as a means of survival.:smile:

as i said before an easy test would half way through a grow and shroom have half grown move your lights alot closer and see if it forces the caps to open. it this happen and is repetable over and over then the above thesis is along the right tracks :smile:

EDIT: the benefits to be gained by finding out would be able to set the distance of light so that on average most shrooms will grow to a certain height range before recieving high lux levels and triggering the opening caps, grow to a certain density range of fruit(by controlling elongation of cells) and time lengh of fruiting process itself!!
quite rewarding really, to dial in the fruiting process :smile:

seems violets tests/experiments points to this conclusion, as does the information spitballjedi posted

and RRs experiment of ties in with it aswell-http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14311145#14311145




i think you explained well, and i was pointing that these stuff are happening because of fungi hormones which too few people in here talk about.


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Re: If light is so important [Re: PussyFart]
    #21281446 - 02/16/15 07:21 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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If you cannot prove it when challenged, you may want to think twice about giving advice.....





ok:thumbup: i thought it was all in the spirit of learning and sharing knowledge but ok i get your point but just because i cant explain it doest mean its wrong information, and to sit in the dark and turn away from ideas helps no one and only serves to increase ignorance

you your self quote information from others experiments like the rr and the bending penis's. do you fully understand this and can prove or explain in a way that can be proved without harking back to a rr post? or to something you havent gleaned from someone elses work?

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Re: If light is so important [Re: blindingleaf]
    #21281455 - 02/16/15 07:24 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm just sitting back and laughing watching you guys argue about something with the only proof being thrown around are old RR quotes and inconclusive info and threads. Funny shit




if u can find a single thread from me in the past 9 months where i spewed out an RR (or any other TC) quote instead of posting my own experience, both words and pictures, ill give u all my prints :P

i respect and admire RR ALOT.  probably more than people might think.  but my own experience is much more valuable to me than his experience, though it has influenced many things i have done, and still do.



Then you are a rare breed my friend. I never pointed fingers at anyone though. But there are plenty of references to his quotes. I know he can grow but he's not a shroom God.

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Re: If light is so important [Re: mustangbob3]
    #21281456 - 02/16/15 07:24 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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PussyFart said:
If you cannot prove it when challenged, you may want to think twice about giving advice.....





ok:thumbup: i thought it was all in the spirit of learning and sharing knowledge but ok i get your point but just because i cant explain it doest mean its wrong information, and to sit in the dark and turn away from ideas helps no one and only serves to increase iggnorance




man you are doing the right thing people should learn to look different angles about things. Talking with some people here like to talk with a priest about evolution theory.


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Re: If light is so important [Re: PinPornProducer]
    #21281470 - 02/16/15 07:30 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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blindingleaf said:
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PinPornProducer said:
I'm just sitting back and laughing watching you guys argue about something with the only proof being thrown around are old RR quotes and inconclusive info and threads. Funny shit




if u can find a single thread from me in the past 9 months where i spewed out an RR (or any other TC) quote instead of posting my own experience, both words and pictures, ill give u all my prints :P

i respect and admire RR ALOT.  probably more than people might think.  but my own experience is much more valuable to me than his experience, though it has influenced many things i have done, and still do.



But there are plenty of references to his quotes. I know he can grow but he's not a shroom God.




Maybe not, but he's damn sure close to it.  Couldn't even put a number on the amount of people he has taught and/or inspired to grow mushrooms.  The fact that he derived his passion for growing them to help his wife carries a lot of weight on my opinion of the man.  His goal was to grow the best possible mushrooms that he could, and any one who doesn't value his experience from years of growing is out of their damn mind. :2cents:

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Re: If light is so important [Re: bw86]
    #21281471 - 02/16/15 07:30 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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bw86 said:
Im glad i made this thread and then went to sleep.
I have come to the conclusion i still dont give a fuck about light.
If it does matter i dont see how a full spectrum 1000 watt HPS isnt the most effective.
ill let you guys play with that for the next 5 years maybe soemone will find so

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well only One way to find out for sure. do a test!
100 FC with hps for lighting
100 FC with cfl for lighting
100 FC wIth No lighting
All other growing variables consistent.






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Shit 100 fcs?! Don't That seem like a little overkill?
I mean The larger The test The more accurate The results Obviously.
But I'm thinking like a dozen cakes per fc Should suffIce for a Good test on light type/grow success.


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Re: If light is so important [Re: PinPornProducer]
    #21281474 - 02/16/15 07:31 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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PinPornProducer said:
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PinPornProducer said:
I'm just sitting back and laughing watching you guys argue about something with the only proof being thrown around are old RR quotes and inconclusive info and threads. Funny shit




if u can find a single thread from me in the past 9 months where i spewed out an RR (or any other TC) quote instead of posting my own experience, both words and pictures, ill give u all my prints :P

i respect and admire RR ALOT.  probably more than people might think.  but my own experience is much more valuable to me than his experience, though it has influenced many things i have done, and still do.



Then you are a rare breed my friend. I never pointed fingers at anyone though. But there are plenty of references to his quotes. I know he can grow but he's not a shroom God.




the sad thing is in a discussion here, RR posts are the only thing regarded as fact even if marc himself will say no one fully understands it and its all best geuss!! so the only person who is regarded as being able to see things in a new light or discover things is RR himself or it is not credible.

no offence to marc... its the regime here that creates it not him


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Re: If light is so important [Re: mustangbob3]
    #21281480 - 02/16/15 07:35 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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its the regime here that creates it not him




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Re: If light is so important [Re: LumpyNutz]
    #21281486 - 02/16/15 07:36 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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bw86 said:
Im glad i made this thread and then went to sleep.
I have come to the conclusion i still dont give a fuck about light.
If it does matter i dont see how a full spectrum 1000 watt HPS isnt the most effective.
ill let you guys play with that for the next 5 years maybe soemone will find so

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LumpyNutz said:
well only One way to find out for sure. do a test!
100 FC with hps for lighting
100 FC with cfl for lighting
100 FC wIth No lighting
All other growing variables consistent.






- quote fixed




Shit 100 fcs?! Don't That seem like a little overkill?
I mean The larger The test The more accurate The results Obviously.
But I'm thinking like a dozen cakes per fc Should suffIce for a Good test on light type/grow success.



nope,
it should be a 1000 of each if you want a half way decent analyst between them

i hear what you guys are saying about lux and wavelength. Im having a hard time. i would think a bulb that is closest to the sun would replicate nature most.:shrug: but everyone seems to agree that it wont.

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Re: If light is so important [Re: takofako]
    #21281494 - 02/16/15 07:39 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

"Maybe" the mycelium uses the light as way of knowing which direction to focus fruits for reproduction. They think, where there is light there is air. Once they break ground, all they need is fresh air, moisture and humidity to promote healthy growth for large caps to maximize reproduction and they have already associated the direction of light to be opposite gravity so they would continue to grow opposite gravity regardless of light at this point

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Re: If light is so important [Re: blindingleaf]
    #21281497 - 02/16/15 07:41 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: If light is so important [Re: mustangbob3]
    #21281500 - 02/16/15 07:42 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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so they would continue to grow opposite gravity regardless of light at this point




thats what i was trying to say on previous page here:

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don't quote me on this, but I'm pretty sure when they start to sporulate, they switch from phototropic response to geotropic response.
they derive energy from light while growing, yes.  but come sporulation time, it makes for sense for the organism to orient itself according to gravity (in this case OPPOSITE to gravity) because the spores/gills, when parallel to the ground, have more exposed surface area for wind to cary them.  if the cap/gills are vertical because they are growing towards an oddly placed light source, it would be counter productive if the wind that should carry the spores is just blowing the spores BACK into the cap/gills.

if u look at this picture again, notice the caps that are most mature, start orienting upwards, opposite to gravity, ignoring the light source, while the ones where the veil is still attached, continue to grow towards the light, regardless of gravity's impact





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Re: If light is so important [Re: PinPornProducer]
    #21281501 - 02/16/15 07:42 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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"Maybe" the mycelium uses the light as way of knowing which direction to focus fruits for reproduction. They think, where there is light there is air. Once they break ground, all they need is fresh air, moisture and humidity to promote healthy growth for large caps to maximize reproduction and they have already associated the direction of light to be opposite gravity so they would continue to grow opposite gravity regardless of light at this point




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Re: If light is so important [Re: mustangbob3]
    #21281502 - 02/16/15 07:42 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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QFT



sorry what is QFT?




QFT= "quoted for truth"

in other words, i agree with you bud :thumbup:


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Re: If light is so important [Re: blindingleaf]
    #21281509 - 02/16/15 07:45 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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its the regime here that creates it not him




QFT



sorry what is QFT?




QFT= "quoted for truth"

in other words, i agree with you bud :thumbup:




:thumbup:

and i will apologise to you all if im not making my point correctly, i have issues explaining things that are in my head. i have lots more detail and information but its getting it out in a way that others understand!
aspergers can be a bitch but it helps me so much with learning, inventing and generaly seeing this from a different perspective(thinking outside of the box) i just hope one day i will be able to contribute something meaningful and useful to the community:smile:


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Re: If light is so important [Re: mustangbob3]
    #21281678 - 02/16/15 08:55 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Yes, they sometimes will orient their cap towards the light, this is because they are deriving energy from it.....




common misconception- they dont absord light from their cap/caonopys but the side of fruitbodys!!




Can't be true. If there is something that absorbs light in a mushroom fruiting body, is the cap. Not for nothing mycologists researchers are investigating specifically mushrooms with black dark caps as they somehow seems to be harvesting energy from light.

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Re: If light is so important [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #21281689 - 02/16/15 08:58 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Heat maybe? Cooler temp grown mushrooms tend to have darker caps ime :shrug:

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