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Re: If light is so important [Re: PussyFart]
    #21281376 - 02/16/15 06:58 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Yes, they sometimes will orient their cap towards the light, this is because they are deriving energy from it.....

I can give my monotubs 12/12 light, while still taped up.....they can and most likely would still pin(after full colonization of course), and those fruits would still mature and drop spores, being sealed in a monotub with no FAE.....they are not in open air, they are in a sealed monotub, yet they dropped spores......this would have happened even without the light......this will happen in sealed jars/bags as well....




causation dont mean correlation, just because they arnt in open air dosent mean natural triggers arnt 'telling' decieving them that they are!!


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Re: If light is so important [Re: mustangbob3]
    #21281377 - 02/16/15 06:58 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

ahh yes i am talking about things like these , i can show you my FC too they are rotating towars to light. This is an hormonal thing but i dont know which hormones effective at mushrooms but it is obvious that hormones are something like Auxins


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Re: If light is so important [Re: mustangbob3]
    #21281378 - 02/16/15 06:59 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Also i think it is important for them to find their way with light rather then gravity because i think they want to release their spores into open air and the only guarantee they got for being in the open air is light.



Gravity tells them to grow upwards, not light.....mushrooms grown in complete darkness still grow straight up.....

And the presence of light does not mean they are in open air.....fungi are not plants




mushrooms grown in a cupboard with light on the floor will bend to the floor and oppose gavity!! so that theory is out the window

look here and test yourself- http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14311145#14311145



:facepalm: Not another RR quote

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Re: If light is so important [Re: takofako]
    #21281383 - 02/16/15 07:02 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

don't quote me on this, but I'm pretty sure when they start to sporulate, they switch from phototropic response to geotropic response.
they derive energy from light while growing, yes.  but come sporulation time, it makes for sense for the organism to orient itself according to gravity (in this case OPPOSITE to gravity) because the spores/gills, when parallel to the ground, have more exposed surface area for wind to cary them.  if the cap/gills are vertical because they are growing towards an oddly placed light source, it would be counter productive if the wind that should carry the spores is just blowing the spores BACK into the cap/gills.

if u look at this picture again, notice the caps that are most mature, start orienting upwards, opposite to gravity, ignoring the light source, while the ones where the veil is still attached, continue to grow towards the light, regardless of gravity's impact


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Re: If light is so important [Re: PussyFart]
    #21281384 - 02/16/15 07:02 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

sounds like plasma light are best :crazy:

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Re: If light is so important [Re: PinPornProducer]
    #21281385 - 02/16/15 07:03 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

if you are curious about that i found a book for fungi hormones:
http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-662-11908-2_24


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Re: If light is so important [Re: bw86]
    #21281388 - 02/16/15 07:03 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Yes, they sometimes will orient their cap towards the light, this is because they are deriving energy from it.....




common misconception- they dont absord light from their cap/caonopys but the side of fruitbodys!!


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Re: If light is so important [Re: mustangbob3]
    #21281395 - 02/16/15 07:05 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Yes, they sometimes will orient their cap towards the light, this is because they are deriving energy from it.....




common misconception- they dont absord light from their cap/caonopys but the side of fruitbodys!!



Proof?

To my knowledge proper placement pf the light would allow the caps, stems, and substrate to derive energy from the light, hence why we place it above and off to the side.....

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Re: If light is so important [Re: mustangbob3]
    #21281396 - 02/16/15 07:06 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

yes the rotating areas are fruit body not caps.


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Re: If light is so important [Re: PussyFart]
    #21281398 - 02/16/15 07:06 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

proof is that if you look to the mushrooms they bend their bodies to rotate towars light not their caps


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Re: If light is so important [Re: PinPornProducer]
    #21281401 - 02/16/15 07:08 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

same exact quote wow and pussyfart used but when i use somehow its wrong?


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Re: If light is so important [Re: takofako]
    #21281403 - 02/16/15 07:08 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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proof is that if you look to the mushrooms they bend their bodies to rotate towars light not their caps




The caps are attached to their bodies, and are the first ones that get hit with the light..... How exactly does that prove you're right?

You're opinion is not proof.

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Re: If light is so important [Re: takofako]
    #21281409 - 02/16/15 07:09 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I'm no mycologist, but that seems weird.  if that were true, wouldn't we have mushroom stems that form a u shape because they are growing towards the light, but cap still pointing up??  seems to me mostly the cap wants the light.  but i again, i ain't no scientist :shrug:


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Re: If light is so important [Re: PussyFart]
    #21281411 - 02/16/15 07:09 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Yes, they sometimes will orient their cap towards the light, this is because they are deriving energy from it.....




common misconception- they dont absord light from their cap/caonopys but the side of fruitbodys!!



Proof?

To my knowledge proper placement pf the light would allow the caps, stems, and substrate to derive energy from the light, hence why we place it above and off to the side.....




sorry cannot prove it but ask hamloaf he can explain it for you.


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Re: If light is so important [Re: PussyFart]
    #21281413 - 02/16/15 07:10 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)



you should watch this video i think because you are talking about something you dont know


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Re: If light is so important [Re: mustangbob3]
    #21281414 - 02/16/15 07:10 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

If you cannot prove it when challenged, you may want to think twice about giving advice.....

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Re: If light is so important [Re: takofako]
    #21281415 - 02/16/15 07:11 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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you should watch this video i think because you are talking about something you dont know



Fungi are not plants....

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Re: If light is so important [Re: mustangbob3]
    #21281418 - 02/16/15 07:12 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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same exact quote wow and pussyfart used but when i use somehow its wrong?



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Re: If light is so important [Re: PussyFart]
    #21281424 - 02/16/15 07:14 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Man i am talking about something at least based on a scientific thing, what are your thoughts based on about hormones?


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Re: If light is so important [Re: mustangbob3]
    #21281426 - 02/16/15 07:14 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

seems to me thes lots of theory but no body is seeing all the sides of it and uniting the information in some grand overiding theory with explains all responses to light!! i tried here- and i still belive its quite close and explain lots of situations encounted in growing.

here-

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lightless ones searching for light, grow longer. Common trait. (theory)




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Perhaps rather than feeding on it (which we know they don't) the light is a trigger... but for what exactly? Pinning? sporulation? fruit development? other?





sort of what i was saying with-
wowimflabbergasted- i wonder if the increase of light intensity was a signal the mushrooms and tells them they would have grown above the height of say grass in the wild and at a good height to open caps and release spores into now available air currents.( maybe they know how high they are by increasing intensity of light as they get taller and when reaches a certain intensity triggers sporulation?)

if we look at WOWs pic only the ones in the bright light are bent over- maybe thats harking back to what hamloaf said about light and the side of fruit using it- so them one are bending in the light to show off there sides?




what i would like to see is if after the fruits are activly growing if we increase light intensity can we force the caps to open? thus proving my above thesis.

if this happens, i would guess it is light intensity raising that triggers the slow/reduction of polyol mannitols in the mushrooms (mannitols are responsible for the flush of water entering the fruit and causes cell expansion and upward growth.) and switches function to open caps to sporelate.

it makes sense the mushroom would have evloved to be able to release its spore in the most convienent/successful way and mushrooms that did it this way would pass on their genes to do it.
the mushroom would be using light intensity levels to tell it had grown up enough to sporeulate and light to make sure the cap faces correctly to aid in air currents spreading spores.:smile:

does this not go along way to explain- thinner longer shrooms in lower light(not reaching light trigger), caps opening prematurly in high light., mushrooms growing toward light and caps mostly always facing light source?

im not saying the mushrooms fully rely on light levels to tell them when to open caps but maybe if the mushrooms never reached the light levels required to trigger opening caps, when they reach the natural limit of upward growth they open caps and sporelate anyway even if they light levels are wrong just as a means of survival.:smile:

as i said before an easy test would half way through a grow and shroom have half grown move your lights alot closer and see if it forces the caps to open. it this happen and is repetable over and over then the above thesis is along the right tracks :smile:

EDIT: the benefits to be gained by finding out would be able to set the distance of light so that on average most shrooms will grow to a certain height range before recieving high lux levels and triggering the opening caps, grow to a certain density range of fruit(by controlling elongation of cells) and time lengh of fruiting process itself!!
quite rewarding really, to dial in the fruiting process :smile:

seems violets tests/experiments points to this conclusion, as does the information spitballjedi posted

and RRs experiment of ties in with it aswell-http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14311145#14311145


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