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Re: If light is so important [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #21280705 - 02/15/15 11:33 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Yep indeed.
I get mine from home depot.
The spectrum I've found on them in heavily in the blue and slightly into UV but mostly into UV-A spectrum, my hypothesis is they trigger UV protection without actually being damaging.

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Re: If light is so important [Re: StygianKnight]
    #21280798 - 02/15/15 11:57 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Those blue lights would be more or less 10000K?

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Re: If light is so important [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #21280853 - 02/16/15 12:15 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

10,000k is white light. I believe 10,000k is called full spectrum.
Those lights are painted glass. I couldn't find anything on their actual kelvin measure. They're probably 4100k-5000k, then tinted blue.


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Re: If light is so important [Re: Mushroom_J]
    #21280933 - 02/16/15 12:51 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

"white light" is around 5000K to 6000k which is about what the sun is. (the fact that the sun is in this range is why we have evolved to see it as white).
It's important to remember that K is just an estimate, real kelvin rating is based on black body radiation of a source, such as a tungsten light being heated to X kelvin degrees.  Almost everything is an estimate based on perceived spectrum and not a true kelvin rating.
The blue party bulbs have a spectrum of

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Re: If light is so important [Re: StygianKnight]
    #21281014 - 02/16/15 01:43 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

alien i dont agree,

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I don't even think if there are fruiting problems related to an excess of light




from the info gleaned in this thread from patsy and SBJ alone points to the fact that there can be an excess of light and that to much = early maturation and early opening caps or am i the only one seeing this :smile:

surly this could be considered a problem, what if growing for yeild? if we look at the info patsy posted about the test violet preformed that suggests with the earlier maturation came less total weight

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As van told me, if they grow in open fields, on a cloudy day, they easily receive anywhere from 1000 to 20000 lux units or even more, depending on the day hour, even they may get direct sunlight which is like infinite lux units lol




sorry van told you wrong!! sunlight on planet earths surface ranges from 50k-100k maximum lux!! that is scientific fact.

and i thought the 10x and 100x function was there as you cannot measure decimal places or less than 1 lux so you have this function to read more accuratly? this is as 1 lux is the base measurement of light intensity over a square foot of space

example: so,let say if x1 reads 1 as the lowest measure
we change to x10 if the actual lux was less than 1 we might see  9 lux if the first measure was really 0,9 but the meter could not read that low!
then if we change to x100 we might get 96 lux showing the original reading was actually 0.96.
you understand?

i was under the impression its a calibration so we can easily work out with accuracy. and if used in x10 then you would need to divide by 10 not multiply to get the real lux.reading

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Re: If light is so important [Re: mustangbob3]
    #21281198 - 02/16/15 04:47 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I've yet to dial in a specific light regime, aside from color spectrum what wattage is recommended for an average sized tub? I usually use one 35 watt cfl and window light

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Re: If light is so important [Re: bummerhigh]
    #21281234 - 02/16/15 05:27 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

i have nothing to add to this really except to say what i do.

i have tubs stacked in a bay window area, surrounded by 3 windows on the ride side of the tubs, about 4 ft away.  i have a 6500k CFL on the left side VERY VERY close to the stack (6").  all the fruits still grow towards the windows, despite semi opaque trash bags covering all 3 of them.

when i first started growing i was working two jobs, night shift and day shift.  lights were on tubs 24/7 because of this (and room mate issues).  when i got them out of 24/7 light, more around 12/12, i did notice they matured faster. 

here is an extreme example.  this is 3rd flush, there is a light RIGHT behind the tubs, and STILL they grow ALMOST PARALELL to the substrate, towards the diffuse window light, away from the 6500k that is literally 6" from them


other than that, i haven't read much into lighting.


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Re: If light is so important [Re: blindingleaf]
    #21281240 - 02/16/15 05:34 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

They are getting more energy from the window light, lol.

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Re: If light is so important [Re: PussyFart]
    #21281254 - 02/16/15 05:45 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

...u don't say??!?!


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Re: If light is so important [Re: blindingleaf]
    #21281313 - 02/16/15 06:23 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Hello to all, i will try to explain some other info as i can. Tropic plants need lighting about 12 hours a day to give flowers, and some plants like in my country need only 10 hours, if you give them light below these hours they wont give flowers to you but here is a interesting thing for tropic flowers: If you point them to a good flash light like a flashlight of a photo machine at the beginning, and then turn on the lights after 2 hours and you give only 10 hours light to a tropic flower it will gonna give you flowers either way, i mean when you point a flashlight to them even for miliseconds they think the sun is rising, but they dont do photosyhthesis for 2 hours. I think PinPornProducers situation is like that and the other thing with the light is hormones. Plants have hormones like Auxins to rotate their body to light. And if you dont give them light to rotate ( ofcourse they need light for photosyhthesis but we are talking some other thing) they will find their way with gravity. I think mushrooms are like that, if you give them a flash light they think the sun is up and the time come to produce some pins, the rest of the light is going to the body to produce some hormones to find their way. Also i think it is important for them to find their way with light rather then gravity because i think they want to relase their spores into open air and the only guarantee they got for being in the open air is light.


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Re: If light is so important [Re: takofako]
    #21281319 - 02/16/15 06:27 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Also i think it is important for them to find their way with light rather then gravity because i think they want to release their spores into open air and the only guarantee they got for being in the open air is light.



Gravity tells them to grow upwards, not light.....mushrooms grown in complete darkness still grow straight up.....

And the presence of light does not mean they are in open air.....fungi are not plants

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Re: If light is so important [Re: PussyFart]
    #21281329 - 02/16/15 06:33 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I think i didnt write anything opposite that, i just said if you switch the lights on they use it to rotate, i know they are using gravity i just say they can rotate with light like plants. Also yes it tells them they are in open air, they are now above the surface.


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Re: If light is so important [Re: takofako]
    #21281341 - 02/16/15 06:39 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Yes, they sometimes will orient their cap towards the light, this is because they are deriving energy from it.....

I can give my monotubs 12/12 light, while still taped up.....they can and most likely would still pin(after full colonization of course), and those fruits would still mature and drop spores, being sealed in a monotub with no FAE.....they are not in open air, they are in a sealed monotub, yet they dropped spores......this would have happened even without the light......this will happen in sealed jars/bags as well....

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Re: If light is so important [Re: PussyFart]
    #21281348 - 02/16/15 06:45 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

:whathesaid:

also, I've had fruits sporulate in sealed petri dishes
u can see the spores starting to drop on the right here.  kinda shitty example, but i don't usually let my plates go this far, so i don't have a better picture example


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Re: If light is so important [Re: PussyFart]
    #21281356 - 02/16/15 06:47 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

No you are talking like they have consciousness, it is obvious that you didnt read my full article. They have mechanisms to tell them what to do like plants. I said a tropical plant need to see 12 hours o flight to give you flowers but if you give them a flash light att 6 am and then open the light at 8 am and then close the lights at 6 pm they will see 10 hours of light but their mechanism tells them they saw 12 hours of light because of the flash light :laugh: but they didnt see 2 (i mean they are lack of 2 hours from 12 hours) hours of light they just saw 2-3 miliseconds of flash, like you think when you close the lid they are not in open air but they dont know what is a lid, they only know if there is a light or not.

one thing to add: but ofcourse living things do not use 1 mechanism to decide what to do, you should have the other conditions ready too.


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Re: If light is so important [Re: takofako]
    #21281363 - 02/16/15 06:51 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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No you are talking like they have consciousness, it is obvious that you didnt read my full article. They have mechanisms to tell them what to do like plants. I said a tropical plant need to see 12 hours o flight to give you flowers but if you give them a flash light att 6 am and then open the light at 8 am and then close the lights at 6 pm they will see 10 hours of light but their mechanism tells them they saw 12 hours of light because of the flash light :laugh: but they didnt see 2 hours of light they just saw 2-3 miliseconds of flash, like you think when you close the lid they are not in open air but they dont know what is a lid, they only know if there is a light or not



So they have no idea what the co2 levels are, nor do they respond to a drop in it?

The only thing they can determine is if there is light present or not?

No, they do not know what a "lid" is, but they can determine what "open air" is......

What does light have to do with co2 levels?

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Re: If light is so important [Re: PussyFart]
    #21281365 - 02/16/15 06:52 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Also i think it is important for them to find their way with light rather then gravity because i think they want to release their spores into open air and the only guarantee they got for being in the open air is light.



Gravity tells them to grow upwards, not light.....mushrooms grown in complete darkness still grow straight up.....

And the presence of light does not mean they are in open air.....fungi are not plants




mushrooms grown in a cupboard with light on the floor will bend to the floor and oppose gavity!! so that theory is out the window

look here and test yourself- http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14311145#14311145


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Re: If light is so important [Re: takofako]
    #21281370 - 02/16/15 06:54 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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I think i didnt write anything opposite that, i just said if you switch the lights on they use it to rotate, i know they are using gravity i just say they can rotate with light like plants. Also yes it tells them they are in open air, they are now above the surface.





i agree they will know they have reached open air as light levels (lux) would have increased as they grow up and become closer to the light source and we know mushrooms 'sense light'.


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Re: If light is so important [Re: PussyFart]
    #21281371 - 02/16/15 06:54 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Man if you want me to say everthing they need i can give you a link of pinning triggers in this forum, we are talking about light and the effects. And i am speaking my opinion with knowledge about plants and hormones which i think can be effective at mushrooms too because everyliving multicellular organism has hormones to comminucate between their cells.


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Re: If light is so important [Re: mustangbob3]
    #21281374 - 02/16/15 06:57 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

They had to grow straight up first, before they will "bend to the floor"......they get energy from the light, which is why they orient their caps towards it.....

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Mushrooms grow opposite gravity, but orient their caps towards light to get maximum benefit from it.  Both are factors in orientation, as is air.
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14359493#14359493

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Gosh, this is old news. Try reading the first chapter of the mushroom growers handbook.  I've posted the link many times.  In addition, I've observed hundreds of thousands of mushroom grows over the years, and I know for a fact that they grow up to three times the size by providing proper lighting.  Hopefully nobody thinks I like spending lots of money on electricity for my commercial mushroom farm for nothing.  I do it for massively increased yields.



http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/16092553#16092553

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Search threads less than five years old, using RogerRabbit in the filter.  I've given up all my LED lights and gone back to fluorescent.  At one time, our mushroom farm was 100% LED.  Performance dropped, and when the LED lamps were replaced with bright fluorescent, harvest weight returned to normal.

Mushrooms do not 'use light as a direction source' even though they are phototropic at certain stages in development.  Mushrooms derive energy from light and grow double or more in size and weight when proper lighting is provided.  They orient their caps toward the light to absorb as much as possible, not to 'know which way to grow'.

Please no comparisons to plants.  They're totally different and use different mechanisms, most of which can be observed but not fully understood at this point in our study of fungi.
RR



http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19248825#19248825

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Mushrooms will orient their caps toward light.  They are deriving energy from the light and position themselves to get maximum benefit.

What mushrooms do not need is light to 'tell' them which way to grow.  They'll grow opposite gravity in total darkness.

Here's a picture of penis envy which was turning toward a light source near the floor for exactly this kind of demonstration.
RR





http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14311145#14311145

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