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Re: Being in love versus the emotion of love [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21280497 - 02/15/15 10:54 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Sorry I lead a shit spiral of my own here. Ok where were we with emotions and whatnot. I'll actually use proper words and everything! (I promise) :retawed:

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Re: Being in love versus the emotion of love [Re: Ezuma]
    #21280501 - 02/15/15 10:55 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

that's a lie. just like your damn feelings.

what you feel is not real, they're virtual emotions!

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Re: Being in love versus the emotion of love [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21280516 - 02/15/15 10:58 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

For someone who gets uppity about clarity you post very unclear things. Would you care to elaborate?

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Re: Being in love versus the emotion of love [Re: Ezuma]
    #21280543 - 02/15/15 11:02 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

i am totally not uppity about clarity. LOL i am just trying to figure out what you're saying man.

sure, i'll elaborate.

you don't really understand nor care about the subject. so you're here to learn.  :thousandisland:

so learn. the emotions you feel, right now, are cold logical machines. they feed you your feelings on particulars, and you can say they are pretty well not useful, because you are simply wasting your time here.

but yet you're here.

so learn.

now if you would do that, then you wouldn't be wasting your time anymore, unless, you were unwilling to discern what you were emoting, from your being here.

seems pretty damn simple, but... not for you.

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Re: Being in love versus the emotion of love [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21280567 - 02/15/15 11:07 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

You've just misused the word machines, logic and cold

When did I say emotions or feelings were not useful? I said this particular argument was not useful.

Emotions (from oxford dictionary) : A strong feeling deriving from one’s circumstances, mood, or relationships with others
now that obviously stems from chemical reactions and that is where you are drawing your 'machine' aspect from, though to call a living biological organism a 'machine' is to make the word machine utterly useless

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Re: Being in love versus the emotion of love [Re: Ezuma]
    #21280605 - 02/15/15 11:15 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

you get hung up on the notion that you are still affirmative in your position that words are not fluidly dynamic in their use, but solid and carved in stone, and that basically, your argument now, which you keep reaching for, isn't important.

not for what we're discussing.

"cold logical machines"

cold  adjective  meaning  unfeeling, numb, opposite of hot (irrelevant) ect

logical  adjective  meaning  unfeeling, a concept, particularly not useful for describing the mechanics wherein feelings are formed (a particular irony)

machines  noun (plural)  meaning  unfeeling, a concept, a machination leading to particulars in event, and feeling of events (in this context)


you asked me to elaborate?

you said you are wasting your time, which means that the particular emotions you are feeling right now are "not useful".

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Re: Being in love versus the emotion of love [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21280645 - 02/15/15 11:22 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Words do evolve but if people are to have any useful discussions they ought to reference agreed upon terminology that the majority of the English speaking world can use and recognize.

Your use of cold is particularly funny since unfeeling is entirely the opposite of emotion in general. Logical is also a funny choice since emotions are not specifically chosen, they occur based on stimuli and chemical response. Logic does not necessarily equate with emotion at all. Emotions do have a logical function, in that they serve biological purposes, but that is not to do with the logic of the individual who experiences said emotion
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And you said you didn't want to argue :strokebeard: I'm glad you didn't mean it though

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Re: Being in love versus the emotion of love [Re: Ezuma]
    #21280670 - 02/15/15 11:26 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Your use of cold is particularly funny since unfeeling is entirely the opposite of emotion in general




ORLY? someone seems to not be following the conversation here. and yet you have all the terms defined. funny that.

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Logical is also a funny choice since emotions are not specifically chosen, they occur based on stimuli and chemical response




ORLY?

you think they are not given to logic? hmm. odd. because i swear i don't wanna feel that conversation is useless. but... i wonder.

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And you said you didn't want to argue :strokebeard: I'm glad you didn't mean it though




i said i didn't want to waste my time. didn't say i could help it.

it's just the motions, i guess.

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Re: Being in love versus the emotion of love [Re: morrowasted]
    #21280681 - 02/15/15 11:29 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Ill have to disagree with your theory of "falling in love" being just a personal development phase. The process of love IMO is a very redundant cycle, and for a good and logical reason.

Just like any other species, our main simple objective in life is to reproduce so that our species can continue to evolve and survive. Being a human of course, love is much more complicated than it should be, but at the same time the intentions are still ignorantly the same.

Rather than separating emotions from feelings as i deem them the same, i think of the process of love having two halves. The first being the uncontrollable emotions that just naturally happen. The other being mostly influenced by our highly evolved minds, being rational and logical reasoning. Its like a two phase sequence and the actual time of each phase varies.
In example:
Youre going about your ordinary day when suddenly a certain person catches your eye. This begins the first phase of love, where emotions cloud your judgement. Your attraction to this person becomes your temporary priority. Now we are not completely at the mercy of these feelings, but they sure are pretty persuasive. This is where the first phase varies in time and can quickly proceed to the second phase. Times are based on entanglement and your current situation.

If youre already in a relationship and wish to be loyal, you can quickly proceed to the second phase of rational resolution where you logically decide what to do from that point. However if youre open to the idea of following through entanglement with this person than this is where the line between phase one and two seem to blur.

Youre emotionally drawn to this person, but should you proceed? This is where i think most people struggle, including myself. Emotionally you want everything to work out perfectly, but at the same time you begin rationally weighing out the facts as the beginning of the second phase. Is this beneficial to yourself? What are the realistic consequences? Is this particular relationship even possible? Remember there are two human beings involved, and the other has their own sequence to go through.. if it even exists!

It may seem like i wrote quite a bit on this topic, but it is a mere summary of everything i have to say. There are so many variables dealing with love that i could write a book explaining it all... maybe. :peace:


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Re: Being in love versus the emotion of love [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21280697 - 02/15/15 11:31 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Please state your actual argument so that we may dispute
Redefining commonly accepted terms simply to argue about them IS pointless
If you disagree with the definition of emotion  that I use then what is YOUR preferred definition, and why do you think the change is necessary

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Re: Being in love versus the emotion of love [Re: Ezuma]
    #21280725 - 02/15/15 11:37 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

no, i'll just define the terms of the argument, and then you can provide a counter argument.

i'll re-iterate

1: emotions are chosen
2: and they are logical
3: and they are arbitrary done so

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Re: Being in love versus the emotion of love [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21280739 - 02/15/15 11:42 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I suppose since I define the central term differently we can't really have an argument then.
I would agree that elements of what make up an emotion are chosen, based on logic, but that the major force present is a chemical signal which you can either encourage or discourage, but which does not have its whole source in logical, conscious decision making.
Generally emotions are seen as opposite to logic, while the actual definition of the word leaves it in a sort of muddled halfway-place. It not begin a scientific term tied to specific indicators however, means it can't properly be quantified and so this whole nonsense is subjective

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Re: Being in love versus the emotion of love [Re: Ezuma]
    #21280753 - 02/15/15 11:45 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

they are logical. they are rational. your account of them might not be however. that's your fault. not Reason's fault.

and to add: one usually can't identify where an emotion comes from, but one can usually deduce what it is.

hence, belonging to the realm of the logical.

Edited by akira_akuma (02/15/15 11:50 PM)

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Re: Being in love versus the emotion of love [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #21280768 - 02/15/15 11:49 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
1: emotions are chosen
2: and they are logical
3: and they are arbitrary done so



Dont mean to interrupt your debate, but if emotions are chosen logically and carried out like so.. then do you believe people choose to suffer from depression?


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Re: Being in love versus the emotion of love [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21280771 - 02/15/15 11:50 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

If you define emotion as a catch all term for biological reactions and mental states (as it is commonly defined) then it cannot be said to be entirely or even mostly rational or logical. There, I disagree.
An aspect of emotion can e influenced by choice. You can make conscious decisions to do things or think of things in such a way that influences or suppresses your emotions, but the basic biological, chemical reaction to stimuli is automatic and on a level below logical and analytic thought.
How you choose to act on these emotions, or whether you choose to focus on them or discard them, is the element of choice, in my definition.

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Re: Being in love versus the emotion of love [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21280775 - 02/15/15 11:51 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

You are choosing to redefine a perfectly good and widely accepted term for no actual discernible reason.

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Re: Being in love versus the emotion of love [Re: LSDreams]
    #21280778 - 02/15/15 11:53 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

arbitrarily.

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Re: Being in love versus the emotion of love [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21280783 - 02/15/15 11:54 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I believe you are wrong.
I believe people can make choices to avoid or get out of depression, by changing the stimuli they receive perhaps, but the actual emotions involved are automatic reactions and not consciously chosen.

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Re: Being in love versus the emotion of love [Re: Ezuma]
    #21280810 - 02/16/15 12:00 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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If you define emotion as a catch all term for biological reactions and mental states (as it is commonly defined) then it cannot be said to be entirely or even mostly rational or logical. There, I disagree.




i define emotion: as a state of conscious awareness that defines the terms in which they've given prescience. which are logically deduced and categorized.

feelings aren't rational. emotions are. emotions cause the feelings to emerge. emoting has nothing to do with feelings, before the feeling is felt. you can also feel emotion, but emotion isn't necessarily feeling. emotion is the state of feeling. which is logical, and well within reason. you do not feel anything, without any reason.

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Re: Being in love versus the emotion of love [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21280814 - 02/16/15 12:02 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Well right there's the problem then, we are using two very different words which just HAPPEN to be spelled exactly the same. So essentially we are not even arguing

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