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Re: Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes. [Re: SoupSandwich]
#21313040 - 02/22/15 01:22 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Man thank you.
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Re: Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes. [Re: randoman]
#21313095 - 02/22/15 01:37 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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No problemo, not sure where the TC's are at this fine Sunday afternoon. Surely, one of them will chime in w/ some choice thoughts soon enough.
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Re: Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes. [Re: SoupSandwich]
#21313356 - 02/22/15 02:16 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nice find Soup. An interesting take on it!
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Re: Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes. [Re: secretagent]
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Re: Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes. [Re: taGyo]
#21317485 - 02/23/15 12:32 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah, I'm not really sure what is meant by the second to last 2 paragraphs in RR's post. So, should the colonizing substrate have lots of Fresh Air Exchange? Or, will this cause the substrate to be only partially digested by the mycelium?
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Re: Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes. [Re: SoupSandwich]
#21317519 - 02/23/15 12:41 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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He is saying that the reasons you can get such big flushes out of homegrows and the like(green houses), is that the substrate is full colonized but it hasn't really digested (broken down) all the nutrients. Therefore allowing (with optimal fruiting conditions)flushes(and multiples) much larger than what you witness in the wild.
I think that is really all he is trying to say... that, and that mycelium needs oxygen to breathe, and will colonize at a faster rate if give so.
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Re: Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes. [Re: SoupSandwich]
#21317521 - 02/23/15 12:41 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Your fruits look like they're getting way too much misting. Misting and fanning more won't "speed up" evaporation if that's what this thread is asking. All it will do is water log your cakes and mushrooms.
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Misting and fanning will increase evaporation though.
If done in equal measure, right? Over misting will not though.
Also, not sure that's what's RogerRabbit is saying, DeTwizzle. I thought he was saying something like, 'You want somewhat high CO2 because that will slow down colonization and force the mycelium to digest more sunstrate.'
But, maybe you have the right of it.
Hmm.
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Re: Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes. [Re: SoupSandwich]
#21317600 - 02/23/15 12:54 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Basically in a nut shell he is saying that mycelium really just wants the be mycelium, and only fruits to propagate the mycelium elsewhere.
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Re: Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes. [Re: SoupSandwich] 1
#21317611 - 02/23/15 12:57 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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SoupSandwich said: Also, not sure that's what's RogerRabbit is saying, DeTwizzle. I thought he was saying something like, 'You want somewhat high CO2 because that will slow down colonization and force the mycelium to digest more sunstrate.' [/image]
He's saying that we use High CO2 to slow down the metabolism of the mycelium so they have ample substrate to fruit properly. We are not mimicking nature, we are improving on it. If we didn't use High CO2 and fruited providing FAE the whole time throughout colonization the mycelium would colonize just fine, in fact more vigiorously, and eat some of the coir/verm we want them to absorb water from so instead of moving nutrients to where they should be, they just eat it.
Just follow the teks, speeding up evaporation will not get you more pins, it will just be very unnatural for the mycelium.
A TC doesn't mean you know everything so waiting for a TC to weigh in on something RR said is just waiting for another interpretation.
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Re: Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes. [Re: taGyo]
#21317711 - 02/23/15 01:21 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Evaporation is one of the main pinning triggers, though. Right? Pretty sure this is common knowledge, someone back me up here.
Also, I see your point about not wanting it all digested before fruiting, but seeing that fruits are 90% water (?) does it really matter? And, who colonizes with coir verm? Also, 'unnatural' for the mycelium, yet we're not looking for natural, we're shooting for better than natural.
In general, you're just confusing me more!
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Re: Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes. [Re: SoupSandwich]
#21317742 - 02/23/15 01:27 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yes it does.
Mycelium doesn't hold water as well as Coir/Verm, mycelium is good at re-directing available nutrients.
Coir/Verm is a bulk substrate additive and probably the most common...
You're overcomplicating things. You're trying to FORCE pinning, there's a very key difference between what nature does, what we do (Which really isn't all that different since we're just simulating rain) and FORCING the air to evaporate quicker. Mycelium is a living organism, not a computer, you can't throw some water on it and expect it to compute, it needs time to understand that it's reached the surface and that water is evaporating off it, triggering hyphal knots and fruit formation.
You're basically trying to teach a Honda to be a race car by pushing it to its max a hundred times and then expecting it to end up going faster. If you want a faster car (More Fruits, More Pins, More etc) then get a different engine (Super cakes vs Cakes) or a new car all together (Monotub > SGFC).
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Re: Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes. [Re: SoupSandwich]
#21317747 - 02/23/15 01:28 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Evaporation off of the substrate is a main pinning trigger, yes. But evaporation is constantly happening...when you mist/fan you are replacing moisture to the cakes/sub, clearing the humid air in the tub and fanning to jump start the evaporation process again from the moisture you just added. You can have too much of a good thing if it throws everything else off balance. Coir/verm is pretty standard...
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Oops, sorry, I was thinking of 'mega-cakes' all this time. PF Tek style grows always stalled out on me, so I quit them. Thus the FAE interest. My mistake.
And, I didn't know coir/verm was used as substrate!! Thanks for that info... I'm always learning something new here, that's why I post! ...Cool. 
Still gonna try and force pinning and get that little honda to max out, though...
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Re: Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes. [Re: SoupSandwich] 1
#21317861 - 02/23/15 01:50 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11916595
Probably the most used substrate.
My analogy still stands, mycelium is not a computer, it's a living organism that needs to understand it's environment in order to fruit efficiently. Trying to speed it up will confuse it.
It's like saying "I'm gonna put my mycelium on a 6/6/6/6 cycle, 6 on, then 6 off, then 6 on etc. because it simulates night and day quicker."
No, now the mycelium is just confused as shit.
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Re: Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes. [Re: taGyo]
#21317879 - 02/23/15 01:54 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Trying to get the most out of your grow won't 'confuse' the mycelium. Other than that we agree and I see no reason to argue or bicker over details.
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Re: Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes. [Re: taGyo]
#21317886 - 02/23/15 01:55 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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taGyo said: My analogy still stands, mycelium is not a computer, it's a living organism that needs to understand it's environment in order to fruit efficiently.
The groundhog will see it's shadow and go back in its hole.
But good luck.
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Re: Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes. [Re: SoupSandwich]
#21317888 - 02/23/15 01:56 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Patience.
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Re: Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes. [Re: SoupSandwich]
#21318167 - 02/23/15 02:44 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thank you everybody for this proactive (imo) disscussion on this less than sofisticated subject.
I am a noob. I dont know my ass from my elbows.
With that being said and made perfectly clear...
The most basic question can be often over looked in any subject of science. I was positive that this was not one of those subjects.
Yet it was a great question that I myself could not find a clear cut answer to.
I will admit I was pretty stoned when I stumbled my way into the advanced mycology section with this question.
Man I am glad I did though.
I look forward to reading the amazing things you guys ALL do, and continue to do in the future. 
Thank you..
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