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Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes.
    #21279887 - 02/15/15 09:03 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I was just sitting here wondering if anyone has done some type of research on the frequency of evaporation, in correct fruiting conditions. In correlation with fruit growth, pinning and effects of sped up or slowed down growth.
I read this forum allot and I have checked the search engine to the best of my ability.
People here have done just about everything I can ever think of doing when it comes to experimentation I am sure. I just cant find the info.
This is a surprise for me.
For instance if you are home allot on the weekends and you have time to mist you sgfc 5 times per hour would it make since to leave the lid off for a day? Would it be acceptable to have a fan pointed directly at fruiting cakes at any point? Assuming that you are keeping up with all the hydration needs.
Any feedback would be quenching to my brain..

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Re: Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes. [Re: randoman]
    #21279939 - 02/15/15 09:15 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I'm sure if you could maximize certain conditions without decreasing others it would be nothing less than beneficial

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Re: Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes. [Re: PinPornProducer]
    #21280084 - 02/15/15 09:52 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes. [Re: Monty514]
    #21280106 - 02/15/15 09:57 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes. [Re: randoman]
    #21280678 - 02/15/15 11:28 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Eeeehhhh.... Somebody has their thinking cap on. I like your questions!

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Re: Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes. [Re: gogochoco] * 2
    #21280905 - 02/16/15 12:38 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I'm no mycologist but I'm pretty stoned and I'm thinking if I was mycelium the only way I would know that I'm growing into the air is evaporation and the sexy pure energy of light bashing into my cells.

As the casing layer evaporates, the cells making up those hyphae reaching towards the light are probably shedding water as well. Perhaps the myc responds to certain cells loosing water at a much higher rate than the other 99.9% of cells tucked within the substrate and thinks, "here is the open air, where we can become a mushrooms and send our spores out to colonize other shit."

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Re: Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes. [Re: Speckles] * 1
    #21280910 - 02/16/15 12:40 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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I'm no mycologist but I'm pretty stoned




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Re: Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes. [Re: JudPie]
    #21280953 - 02/16/15 01:02 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Just something I will have to give a shot for a couple grows.
There are allot of new people here that worry about fanning and misting. They think they are doing it too much or too little. Then they freak out until they get there first pin.
If they are like myself they most likely want to sit and dote over their babies anyway.
I have noticed the days that I am home and can soak the hell out of my cakes. Then fan allot and keep the lid off to allow to speed up the process of evaporation. This is done carefully with a fan blowing indirectly at the sgfc. The mushrooms that are fruiting seem to grow faster and pins appear quickly compared to when I can not give them this attention.
I really wish somebody could find a link where something like this has been done.
Maybe it is called the doting tek.:rolleyes:


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Re: Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes. [Re: JudPie]
    #21280959 - 02/16/15 01:05 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I have been logging the weight of my trays from spawn til pins. My trays, before introducing to FC, lose an average of 7 grams of weight a day. From what I've read, 20% of that weight is not moisture but a loss of CO2 from mushroom metabolism. This is all in it's infancy, so I don't have a lot of info on the subject but I'm hoping to change that over the next 6 months. It's refreshing to see someone asking the same exact questions I have been asking myself.


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    #21280966 - 02/16/15 01:09 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes. [Re: randoman]
    #21280982 - 02/16/15 01:23 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes. [Re: randoman] * 1
    #21281175 - 02/16/15 04:24 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Just something I will have to give a shot for a couple grows.
There are allot of new people here that worry about fanning and misting. They think they are doing it too much or too little. Then they freak out until they get there first pin.
If they are like myself they most likely want to sit and dote over their babies anyway.
I have noticed the days that I am home and can soak the hell out of my cakes.Then fan allot and keep the lid off to allow to speed up the process of evaporation. This is done carefully with a fan blowing indirectly at the sgfc. The mushrooms that are fruiting seem to grow faster and pins appear quickly compared to when I can not give them this attention.
I really wish somebody could find a link where something like this has been done.
Maybe it is called the doting tek.:rolleyes:





I think you are way ever thinking it. The evaporation process is going to happen through convection. This means an elevated SGFC that will allow air to pass through the chamber. I would not use a normal pedestal fan or anything else even indirectly blowing at it. The natural air currents of the room should be just fine to help pull fresh air through the chamber. Think of it like this, if the sub looks dry you should mist it. A few HOURS later if it looks to wet, you can manually fan it with the lid.

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Re: Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes. [Re: Sockadin]
    #21281188 - 02/16/15 04:38 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

In an ideal environment I would assume that the rate of evaporation would be moderately slow. although i'm an no expert.

I always try to mist no more then once an hour and If i'm doing something wrong the mushrooms will let me know

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Re: Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes. [Re: Sockadin]
    #21283589 - 02/16/15 03:42 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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I think you are way over thinking it. The evaporation process is going to happen through convection. This means an elevated SGFC that will allow air to pass through the chamber. I would not use a normal pedestal fan or anything else even indirectly blowing at it. The natural air currents of the room should be just fine to help pull fresh air through the chamber. Think of it like this, if the sub looks dry you should mist it. A few HOURS later if it looks to wet, you can manually fan it with the lid.


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Misting and fanning when done right in my conditions is only needed 3-4 times per day. Once an hour is way over the top as you most likely are not allowing the cakes to evaporate enough or if they are dry by that time there is too much airflow around the tub causing it to dry out. NO FAN in the room with your sgfc is key to allow the air to pass from the bottom of the tub to the top causing humidity and evaporation which is all you need.


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Re: Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes. [Re: randoman]
    #21283894 - 02/16/15 04:34 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

If you read up on mass transfer you can probably simplify the problem quite nicely. Assume you can ignore all but the top surface of the substrate. And that the concentration at the surface (both air/gas and surface/fluid) are constant.

You can also compare forced evaporation (fan) vs natural evaporation (no fan), but you will need flow rate.

Without a science background it's more than likely just a waste of time, and you will need experimental data to fit a more complicated, and accurate, model of the heat and mass transfer.

Just my 5c

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Re: Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes. [Re: secretagent]
    #21284341 - 02/16/15 05:38 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Agreed.


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Re: Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes. [Re: randoman]
    #21312959 - 02/22/15 12:59 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Bump....??? Anyone actually tried it? This for sure was not at all a controlled experiment, I did however speed up the evaporation process and it grew so fast the cap cracked.

Can anyone with the means and motive give this a shot or have they...?


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Re: Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes. [Re: randoman]
    #21312973 - 02/22/15 01:05 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

How did you speed up evaporation, by using forced convection (a fan)?
Did you keep the surface constantly hydrated or did it go for enough time to even marginally dry out?

It's an interesting problem - as there might be some signals to fruit/release spored if exposed to period of decreased humidity.
But fuck if I know, I'm just grabbing at shadows with hopefully decent guesses! :kingtard:

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Re: Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes. [Re: randoman]
    #21312991 - 02/22/15 01:11 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

All I can do is give you my experience for comparison.
I have a small tub with 3 holes at two sides each just above water level on tub (~1") the rest of the holes are in upper part total 14 (all aligned on same height) on sides and 12 on lid.
I mist and fan 12 hrs apart, ->> only two times per day. The rest of the time the tub is left alone. That is enough for hyphal knots on day three and pins on day 5. The fruits are picked 5 days after pinning. 10 days total.
Theese results where obtained by mixing grain spawn and soil (20:30) and pressed into trays (cube cake hahaha) after 2 days and visible hyphals the "cakes where taken out of the tray and returned into FC on a shallow tray.

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Re: Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes. [Re: psyder] * 1
    #21313014 - 02/22/15 01:16 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Found this post, may be useful for ya. Maybe not, as it mainly talks about CO2.


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There's many pinning triggers, but since this thread centers on one of them, I'll stick with it. Bear in mind, that doesn't diminish the others, and a wall-to-wall canopy requires the grower be good at juggling all of them.  Remember, none of us ever sees a huge wall-to-wall canopy of fruits in nature, so we're not mimicking nature, we're improving on it to get the best possible results. 

We often refer to lowering the CO2 level as a pinning trigger. We also refer to loss of moisture from the substrate as a pinning trigger.  Are they the same thing?  When we apply fresh air exchange, the CO2 level naturally lowers, which is a secondary pinning trigger.  Also, when we apply fresh air, the lower humidity of the fresh air causes evaporation, resulting in a loss of moisture from the substrate, a primary pinning trigger.  One really can't be separated from the other, nor should they be.

However, while lowering the CO2 is one of many factors involved in pinning, it's not the primary reason for keeping a high CO2 level during colonization.  We keep a high CO2 level during colonization because the mycelium seems to consider its job in nature is to break down solid matter, releasing its carbon as CO2.  Left unchecked in open air, most of the substrate will have been consumed by the time fruiting happens.  We see this in cow fields.  The cow patties with mushrooms are noticeably smaller than ones with no mushrooms.  The mycelium has significantly digested most of the manure, liberating it as CO2 into the air.

If the mycelium is forced to run through the substrate in a very high CO2 environment, metabolism is slowed, allowing colonization with very little of the final substrate consumed, making it available to support bigger flushes and more of them.  This is the reason we keep substrates tightly closed during colonization except for a small amount of gas exchange to prevent the mycelium from suffocating itself.

It is a fact that air exchange during spawn run will result in faster colonization.  However, we don't do it for the reasons explained above.  Remember, this reply only considered CO2, not the half dozen or so other factors involved.
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Re: Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes. [Re: SoupSandwich]
    #21313040 - 02/22/15 01:22 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Man thank you.


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Re: Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes. [Re: randoman]
    #21313095 - 02/22/15 01:37 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

No problemo, not sure where the TC's are at this fine Sunday afternoon.
Surely, one of them will chime in w/ some choice thoughts soon enough. 
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    #21313356 - 02/22/15 02:16 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Nice find Soup. An interesting take on it!

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Re: Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes. [Re: secretagent]
    #21316214 - 02/23/15 06:56 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes. [Re: taGyo]
    #21317485 - 02/23/15 12:32 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, I'm not really sure what is meant by the second to last 2 paragraphs in RR's post. So, should the colonizing substrate have lots of Fresh Air Exchange? Or, will this cause the substrate to be only partially digested by the mycelium?

WITHOUT TC'S OPINIONS, HOW ARE WE TO KNOW???? :crankey:

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Re: Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes. [Re: SoupSandwich]
    #21317519 - 02/23/15 12:41 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

He is saying that the reasons you can get such big flushes out of homegrows and the like(green houses), is that the substrate is full colonized but it hasn't really digested (broken down) all the nutrients. Therefore allowing (with optimal fruiting conditions)flushes(and multiples) much larger than what you witness in the wild.

I think that is really all he is trying to say... that, and that mycelium needs oxygen to breathe, and will colonize at a faster rate if give so.

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Re: Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes. [Re: SoupSandwich]
    #21317521 - 02/23/15 12:41 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Your fruits look like they're getting way too much misting. Misting and fanning more won't "speed up" evaporation if that's what this thread is asking. All it will do is water log your cakes and mushrooms.


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Re: Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes. [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #21317561 - 02/23/15 12:47 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Misting and fanning will increase evaporation though.

If done in equal measure, right? Over misting will not though.

Also, not sure that's what's RogerRabbit is saying, DeTwizzle.
I thought he was saying something like, 'You want somewhat high CO2 because
that will slow down colonization and force the mycelium to digest more sunstrate.'

But, maybe you have the right of it.

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Re: Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes. [Re: SoupSandwich]
    #21317600 - 02/23/15 12:54 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Basically in a nut shell he is saying that mycelium really just wants the be mycelium, and only fruits to propagate the mycelium elsewhere.

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    #21317611 - 02/23/15 12:57 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Also, not sure that's what's RogerRabbit is saying, DeTwizzle.
I thought he was saying something like, 'You want somewhat high CO2 because
that will slow down colonization and force the mycelium to digest more sunstrate.'
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He's saying that we use High CO2 to slow down the metabolism of the mycelium so they have ample substrate to fruit properly. We are not mimicking nature, we are improving on it. If we didn't use High CO2 and fruited providing FAE the whole time throughout colonization the mycelium would colonize just fine, in fact more vigiorously, and eat some of the coir/verm we want them to absorb water from so instead of moving nutrients to where they should be, they just eat it.

Just follow the teks, speeding up evaporation will not get you more pins, it will just be very unnatural for the mycelium.

A TC doesn't mean you know everything so waiting for a TC to weigh in on something RR said is just waiting for another interpretation.


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Re: Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes. [Re: taGyo]
    #21317711 - 02/23/15 01:21 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Evaporation is one of the main pinning triggers, though. Right?
Pretty sure this is common knowledge, someone back me up here.

Also, I see your point about not wanting it all digested before fruiting, but seeing that fruits are 90% water (?) does it really matter? And, who colonizes with coir verm? Also, 'unnatural' for the mycelium, yet we're not looking for natural, we're shooting for better than natural.

In general, you're just confusing me more!

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Re: Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes. [Re: SoupSandwich]
    #21317742 - 02/23/15 01:27 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Yes it does.

Mycelium doesn't hold water as well as Coir/Verm, mycelium is good at re-directing available nutrients.

Coir/Verm is a bulk substrate additive and probably the most common...

You're overcomplicating things. You're trying to FORCE pinning, there's a very key difference between what nature does, what we do (Which really isn't all that different since we're just simulating rain) and FORCING the air to evaporate quicker. Mycelium is a living organism, not a computer, you can't throw some water on it and expect it to compute, it needs time to understand that it's reached the surface and that water is evaporating off it, triggering hyphal knots and fruit formation.

You're basically trying to teach a Honda to be a race car by pushing it to its max a hundred times and then expecting it to end up going faster. If you want a faster car (More Fruits, More Pins, More etc) then get a different engine (Super cakes vs Cakes) or a new car all together (Monotub > SGFC).


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Re: Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes. [Re: SoupSandwich]
    #21317747 - 02/23/15 01:28 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

:whathesaid:

Evaporation off of the substrate is a main pinning trigger, yes. But evaporation is constantly happening...when you mist/fan you are replacing moisture to the cakes/sub, clearing the humid air in the tub and fanning to jump start the evaporation process again from the moisture you just added. You can have too much of a good thing if it throws everything else off balance. Coir/verm is pretty standard...


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Re: Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes. [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #21317852 - 02/23/15 01:48 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

:justkillmenow:

Oops, sorry, I was thinking of 'mega-cakes' all this time. PF Tek style grows
always stalled out on me, so I quit them. Thus the FAE interest. My mistake.

And, I didn't know coir/verm was used as substrate!! Thanks for that info...
I'm always learning something new here, that's why I post! ...Cool. :smile2:

Still gonna try and force pinning and get that little honda to max out, though...

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Re: Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes. [Re: SoupSandwich] * 1
    #21317861 - 02/23/15 01:50 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11916595

Probably the most used substrate.

My analogy still stands, mycelium is not a computer, it's a living organism that needs to understand it's environment in order to fruit efficiently. Trying to speed it up will confuse it.

It's like saying "I'm gonna put my mycelium on a 6/6/6/6 cycle, 6 on, then 6 off, then 6 on etc. because it simulates night and day quicker."

No, now the mycelium is just confused as shit.


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Re: Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes. [Re: taGyo]
    #21317879 - 02/23/15 01:54 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Trying to get the most out of your grow won't 'confuse' the mycelium.
Other than that we agree and I see no reason to argue or bicker over details.

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Re: Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes. [Re: taGyo]
    #21317886 - 02/23/15 01:55 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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My analogy still stands, mycelium is not a computer, it's a living organism that needs to understand it's environment in order to fruit efficiently.



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    #21317888 - 02/23/15 01:56 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Patience. :jah:


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    #21317933 - 02/23/15 02:06 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes. [Re: SoupSandwich]
    #21318167 - 02/23/15 02:44 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Thank you everybody for this proactive (imo) disscussion on this less than sofisticated subject.

I am a noob. I dont know my ass from my elbows.

With that being said and made perfectly clear...

The most basic question can be often over looked in any subject of science. I was positive that this was not one of those subjects.

Yet it was a great question that I myself could not find a clear cut answer to.

I will admit I was pretty stoned when I stumbled my way into the advanced mycology section with this question.

Man I am glad I did though.

I look forward to reading the amazing things  you guys ALL do, and continue to do in the future. :dawerp:

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Re: Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes. [Re: randoman]
    #21318186 - 02/23/15 02:48 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

It was a great question and people should definitely feel free to ask questions,
whether 'great' or ...not, without fear of being shat upon or dismissed. Right?

Anyways, thanks for asking the question! Look forward to hearing more from you...

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Re: Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes. [Re: SoupSandwich] * 1
    #21322712 - 02/24/15 01:17 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Misting and fanning will increase evaporation though.

If done in equal measure, right? Over misting will not though.[/image]



Misting in itself can increase evaporation, unless you aren't increasing the surface concentration of H2O(l). So if your surface is completely wet, you will not increase evaporation by adding more water (misting). Or rather, the rate of evaporation will not be increased.

For fanning: Absolutely, it will definitely increase evaporation if we assume there is a higher concentration on the surface.
This is both due to air exchange (lower RH%/less C_H2O in the containers gas-phase) and that you are causing forced convection!

If you fan, reducing concentration of H2O(g) and evaporating some of the H2O(l) on the surface below saturation (100% wet surface). It would most likely be a good idea to re-mist.

I know that most of this is already common knowledge, I'm just trying explain the processes taking place!

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    #21322791 - 02/24/15 01:39 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Increasing FAE increases evaporation and the frequency of needing to mist to prevent your cake from drying out.

Too much misting can create a larger fruit without actually increasing the dry weight. A soggy fruit is bigger because it has more water in it.

Misting allows the cake to absorb some moisture while at the same time evaporation keeps high RH at the surface level where it's most important. without having time for the cake to absob some of the moisture, it will dry out. We don't want the moisture to evaporate too fast.

IME, rapid evaporation and high frequency misting causes the substrate to get a thick rubbery texture and prevents pinning.


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    #21322813 - 02/24/15 01:45 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Increasing FAE increases evaporation and the frequency of needing to mist to prevent your cake from drying out.

Too much misting can create a larger fruit without actually increasing the dry weight. A soggy fruit is bigger because it has more water in it.

Misting allows the cake to absorb some moisture while at the same time evaporation keeps high RH at the surface level where it's most important. without having time for the cake to absob some of the moisture, it will dry out. We don't want the moisture to evaporate too fast.

IME, rapid evaporation and high frequency misting causes the substrate to get a thick rubbery texture and prevents pinning.



Nice SBJ. I've noticed over misting/fast evap. causes that too. It gets all matted and is hard to fruit.


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Re: Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes. [Re: secretagent] * 1
    #21322874 - 02/24/15 02:04 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

The point of misting is to rehydrate the substrate not to increase evaporation. And for that to happen the moisture needs to stay there long enough to be absorbed or you'll have to mist more often to make up for it. Keep in mind it is evaporation from the pins and mycelium that increases growth not evaporation of moisture near or on the them. Useful evaporation is caused by having sufficient fresh air exchange not by fanning.

Seriously I've compared fanning substrates to not fanning substrates for years and have no intention of ever fanning a substrate again.


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Re: Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes. [Re: Kizzle]
    #21322936 - 02/24/15 02:18 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Seriously I've compared fanning substrates to not fanning substrates for years and have no intention of ever fanning a substrate again.



i have found the exact opposite:shrug:
tubs get stale air pockets like a weed grow box thats why you put a fan in a grow box fc are no differant as many holes a sgfc has they still benifit from spraying and fanning why wouldnt a mono with way less holes :shrug:


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    #21323010 - 02/24/15 02:34 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

They really don't. They benefit from misting for sure and they benefit from fresh air exchange. You may not have noticed it but when you mist there is huge amounts of air movement. There are no stale air pockets after a mist. Waggling the lid around afterwards though is an exercise in futility that's all.


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Re: Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes. [Re: Kizzle]
    #21323020 - 02/24/15 02:37 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

So you're saying misting has nothing to do with evaporation...?


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Re: Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes. [Re: Kizzle]
    #21323066 - 02/24/15 02:46 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

if you mist hows all that moister going to evaporate in time if there aint alot of fae i hardly ever mist a mono but i have i want the suface to dry out see how dry my suface is i wish i had better pics 
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    #21323121 - 02/24/15 02:59 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Misting reduces evaporation from the pins/mycelium temporarily. That's unavoidable. You can't expect to rehydrate a substrate while at the same time dehydrating it via evaporation. If you're misting and are concerned that the moisture is staying pooled for too long then you're misting too much.

Intentionally misting too much, and I've seen people do this particularly in regard to misting monotubs, in the hope that fanning away that excess moisture will provide some kind of benefit over simply misting less is silly.


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    #21323146 - 02/24/15 03:05 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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    #21323218 - 02/24/15 03:21 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Mist only what you need so that the droplets disappear relatively quickly and ideally they should be disappearing because they've been absorbed not simply because they evaporated. Evaporation from a pool of water atop the substrate is not the same as transpiration from a fruit body which increases the flow of nutrients.

If you've ever put fresh mushrooms in a plastic bag you know they transpire far more than the mycelium does. That's partly responsible for their fast growth. Moisture from the rest of the mycelium is drawn into the fruit body to replace the lost moisture and it carries with it more nutrients.


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Re: Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes. [Re: Kizzle]
    #21323276 - 02/24/15 03:33 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Mist only what you need so that the droplets disappear relatively quickly and ideally they should be disappearing because they've been absorbed not simply because they evaporated. Evaporation from a pool of water atop the substrate is not the same as transpiration from a fruit body which increases the flow of nutrients.

If you've ever put fresh mushrooms in a plastic bag you know they transpire far more than the mycelium does. That's partly responsible for their fast growth. Moisture from the rest of the mycelium is drawn into the fruit body to replace the lost moisture and it carries with it more nutrients.




It's also probably necessary for the formation of Buller's drops.


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    #21323434 - 02/24/15 04:04 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Mist only what you need so that the droplets disappear relatively quickly and ideally they should be disappearing because they've been absorbed not simply because they evaporated. Evaporation from a pool of water atop the substrate is not the same as transpiration from a fruit body which increases the flow of nutrients.

If you've ever put fresh mushrooms in a plastic bag you know they transpire far more than the mycelium does. That's partly responsible for their fast growth. Moisture from the rest of the mycelium is drawn into the fruit body to replace the lost moisture and it carries with it more nutrients.




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Intentionally misting too much, and I've seen people do this particularly in regard to misting monotubs, in the hope that fanning away that excess moisture will provide some kind of benefit over simply misting less is silly.



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Re: Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes. [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #21323874 - 02/24/15 05:31 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

That's what I was trying to explain to the other guy,

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    #21332996 - 02/26/15 01:05 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

:standingby: kizzle has nailed it here....soup i know people love this little tc tag but don't take others posts for granted, there are always tc's watching and when someone is wrong they normally get called on it:super:
as for the high co2 thing that is something us humans learned to take advantage of and as stated earlier in this thread it simply helps make sure the mycelium doesn't totally consume the substrate during colonizing, we want most of this to happen at fruiting which is why you see subs shrink a fuck ton once fresh air exchange is intoduced, not because of moisture loss but because it is being eaten


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    #21333010 - 02/26/15 01:09 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Good call.

Yeah, I like that we have you TC's to look up to. Otherwise it's just chaos.

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    #21333027 - 02/26/15 01:14 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

:facepalm3:

Learn to listen to other people. A TC tag means nothing. Kizzle is not a TC. I would give my left tit for a fraction of Kizzle's knowledge. You will miss out on a lot only listening to TCs.

But don't listen to me,

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wonder when imma get a tag :shrug:


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    #21333039 - 02/26/15 01:16 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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I'm just an arrogant little noob bitch.



no flaming in mush cult...i don't see any part of the rules saying unless your flaming yourself so let this be your warning:uptosomething::laugh2:


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I'm just an arrogant little noob bitch.



no flaming in mush cult...i don't see any part of the rules saying unless your flaming yourself so let this be your warning:uptosomething::laugh2:



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I'm just an arrogant little noob bitch.



no flaming in mush cult...i don't see any part of the rules saying unless your flaming yourself so let this be your warning:uptosomething::laugh2:



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Flaming myself :lmafo:

You haven't heard Cron? I'm an arrogant little noob bitch, look at my title, I've owned up to it.

I think I'm better then all of you and never listen to advice because I know best.

I would even go so far as to say my first cake was the best cake I've ever seen.

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:facepalm3:

Learn to listen to other people. A TC tag means nothing. Kizzle is not a TC. I would give my left tit for a fraction of Kizzle's knowledge. You will miss out on a lot only listening to TCs.

But don't listen to me,

I'm just an arrogant little noob bitch.





I have no problem listening to other people, thank you.
But when other people are disagreeing with more other people and then some more other people come in with even more dischord, it's nice to have someone of authority to sort it all out. Sometimes they are wrong and stupid and overreact, sometimes they aren't.

Still, nice to have TC's around, on the whole, as beacons of light in an otherwise murky, ill defined culture of 'experts' all saying different things.

Whether or not you're an arrogant little noob...whatever, is of no concern of mine.
And does nothing to further anyone's knowledge of growing mushrooms. tut tut. :snub:

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    #21333117 - 02/26/15 01:32 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

take anyones advise tc's included with a grain of salt and as nothing more then something you yourself can look into with the search bar:thumbup:


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Yeah, agreed. and not just cuz yer a TC.
Kinda goes without saying, in fact. :thumbup:

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Flaming myself :lmafo:

You haven't heard Cron? I'm an arrogant little noob bitch, look at my title, I've owned up to it.

I think I'm better then all of you and never listen to advice because I know best.

I would even go so far as to say my first cake was the best cake I've ever seen.

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Flaming myself :lmafo:

You haven't heard Cron? I'm an arrogant little noob bitch, look at my title, I've owned up to it.

I think I'm better then all of you and never listen to advice because I know best.

I would even go so far as to say my first cake was the best cake I've ever seen.

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Chill dude.



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Re: Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes. [Re: taGyo]
    #21333661 - 02/26/15 03:24 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

People certainly can take this hobby and this website and etc etc too seriously, that's for damn sure.

I always try to be in a good mood when I come here, it's killed a lot of the drama for me.
Just be sure to be in a good mood before logging in or posting, not hung over or frayed at the edges.

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Re: Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes. [Re: SoupSandwich] * 1
    #21333821 - 02/26/15 03:53 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes. [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #21334320 - 02/26/15 05:52 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes. [Re: taGyo] * 1
    #21334413 - 02/26/15 06:10 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

So after my noob ass read all this chaos (lol/no flaming).

I think I will just fan (with a cd case) and fine mist (with a spray bottle)! Letting the mist lightly land on the pf cake. As gentle as an autumn breeze causing a leaf to fall from a swaying tree. Or like when I pee in the wind and the mist hits me in the face.

It seems to be the tried and tested way.

It was a great question and I feel it has been thoroughly answered, but you will see it asked again and again.

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Re: Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes. [Re: randoman]
    #21334743 - 02/26/15 07:06 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

well on that note....


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Re: Evaporation speed, and effect on cubes. [Re: randoman]
    #21334745 - 02/26/15 07:06 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

This thread has been closed.

Reason:
it was fun but let's lock this up now so no more chaos comes:hehehe:

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