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IMBiff
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Soooo many aborts??
#21276173 - 02/15/15 08:41 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hi Friends,
I got a pretty good, first flush off of a Mexi-cube cake, next to this one. This cake is a PE after 2 weeks in the SGFC. This is my first grow. Are these all aborts? Is this just what PE looks like...just taking forever? Where might I have gone wrong? 68-72*, 99% RH, much better FAE than in the auto-terrarium I started with...

Am I just being being impatient? Should I dunk and roll, again? Thanks, experts! I'm grateful for your thoughts...
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Re: Soooo many aborts?? [Re: IMBiff]
#21276207 - 02/15/15 08:51 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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I've always heard PE does not do very well on cakes...
I have never tried to do myself it though.
Hopefully someone who has will drop in for you
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PE is slower then most cubes.
Those also don't look like aborts to me. Aborts are jet black most of the time, your caps have a healthy brown to them.
When did you start seeing pins?
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Re: Soooo many aborts?? [Re: taGyo]
#21276255 - 02/15/15 09:06 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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A couple of them are pretty dark looking to me
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Re: Soooo many aborts?? [Re: Stromrider]
#21276725 - 02/15/15 10:35 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks, folks. They started pinning a week ago, and haven't gotten much bigger. I see maybe 50 pins on this cake, but none are taking off. PE may not do well on cakes. I'm certainly not certain. I just started Cambodians in Rye Berries, so maybe if that goes well, I'll try PE with the grain. As Stromrider suggests, they are pretty dark; however, I agree taGyo, that they are a dark brown. I have seen a jet-black one on another cake, and these don't look the same. New ones pop up almost every day, but absolutely creep along (unlike the Mexi-cubes). I'm not sure if I just helped anyone to help me with these observations, but I appreciate all of your inputs!
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Re: Soooo many aborts?? [Re: IMBiff]
#21277047 - 02/15/15 11:29 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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If they started pinning a week ago and they're not growing they're aborts :/
Show me your SGFC and where it is.
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Re: Soooo many aborts?? [Re: taGyo]
#21277167 - 02/15/15 11:52 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Aww...man. Well...at least I know. I have 4 more cakes that I just put in the SGFC. See below:
Thank you for the input, taGyo. I also run a 12/12 6500K light.
Oh...I have a full 4 inches of perlite on the bottom, now.
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Re: Soooo many aborts?? [Re: IMBiff]
#21277329 - 02/15/15 12:31 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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You need to get that chamber up off the table so air can circulate up through it. Put some cups or jars under it
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Re: Soooo many aborts?? [Re: Stromrider]
#21277361 - 02/15/15 12:37 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Add an extra inch just to make sure (If you have it, if not don't worry about it)
There you go, this is why they aborted, low humidity.
Listen dude you had a beautiful pinset for cakes, if they still have water in them prop the SGFC up and get yourself about 3 more " of perlite because it looks like you have 2 there and they'll push out more pins.
You're going to do GREAT once you get this set up, seriously, I'm looking forward to seeing extraordinary things from those cakes.
Dunk the one that flushed for 24 hours, don't re-roll.
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Re: Soooo many aborts?? [Re: taGyo]
#21277380 - 02/15/15 12:41 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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I had a lot of aborts in my monos as well :/ but you're running cakes. Fae or humidity problems maybe? I know that those were my main issues.
Edit, ah yep, humidy, didn't read gyos post lol.
Edited by gremtu (02/15/15 12:43 PM)
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Re: Soooo many aborts?? [Re: gremtu]
#21277868 - 02/15/15 01:59 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Guys...this is great stuff! Thank you, thank you. I wondered about not having it high enough. Thanks to you guys I'll prop it on some Solo cups until I can work out a more permanent solution. What do you guys use?
I never mind making mistakes as long as I have the forum to learn from.
I'll post pics of the next flush.
Cheers!
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Re: Soooo many aborts?? [Re: IMBiff]
#21277883 - 02/15/15 02:03 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Oh...what should I do about the cake with all the aborts?
Thanks so much!
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Re: Soooo many aborts?? [Re: IMBiff]
#21277903 - 02/15/15 02:06 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Pick the aborts gently so you don't damage the substrate.
Aborts are psychoactive, I'd dry them and keep them. Sometimes they're super potent as well.
I used a milk crate for my SGFC. Worked great.
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Re: Soooo many aborts?? [Re: taGyo]
#21277969 - 02/15/15 02:19 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks for the info, taGyo! Mike crate...brilliant.
I'll pick the aborts and dunk (no roll), yes?
Below: your advice at work. Many thanks!
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Re: Soooo many aborts?? [Re: IMBiff]
#21277989 - 02/15/15 02:24 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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No roll.
Give it a week before you dunk to see if they bounce back. They should given the proper environment pin again because they still have moisture inside it. Dunking is just to replace that moisture after a flush so if it didn't push it out they might be fine. They will probably pin before a week since they already pinned once and all of a sudden their environment got much better.
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Re: Soooo many aborts?? [Re: taGyo]
#21278251 - 02/15/15 02:56 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Will do! Stay tuned for updates. Very grateful for your advice!
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Re: Soooo many aborts?? [Re: IMBiff]
#21278278 - 02/15/15 02:59 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Soooo many aborts?? [Re: IMBiff]
#21280545 - 02/15/15 11:03 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Good work gettin the SGFC up high. Definitely needs the currents coming in from the bottom. Make sure to watch your temperature as that has cause aborts for me before. Maybe for now stick with regular cubes for the cakes and make a PE tray or somethin and throw it up in there. You're doin good keep it up!
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Re: Soooo many aborts?? [Re: Big Bear]
#21281510 - 02/16/15 07:45 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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BigBear, it's really good to see you here, too! I was hoping I would. Thanks for the positives. What about the temperature you mentioned? Too hot or cold? It's -2*F outside this morning, so it's been a challenge keeping my cakes above 68*, even with the house set at 70*. Do you suppose I could run a small heater in the room, leaving the door open for air flow? Many thanks, BigBear!
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Re: Soooo many aborts?? [Re: IMBiff]
#21281530 - 02/16/15 07:58 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Looks a little too wet in There. I Would cut down on Your mistIng They shouldn't Have That much standing Water on The pins.
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Re: Soooo many aborts?? [Re: LumpyNutz]
#21281583 - 02/16/15 08:21 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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LumpyNutz said: Looks a little too wet in There. I Would cut down on Your mistIng They shouldn't Have That much standing Water on The pins.
didnt want to say because it sort of contradicts previous advice, but that was my thoughts, when pins are dark drown and not black aborts it is usually water that makes them darker and they will abort if you dont sort it.
it may have been as there was no adequet FAE (sgfc not being raised) the humidity went up to 100% and as the mushrooms also absorb water from the air they become too wet. at 100% humidity the mushroom struggle to perspire so hold onto excess water. with FAE this is balanced out even if the humidity is 100%( the amount of water the mushroom can perspire increases with the airflow and the amount it can absord from the air goes down):)
the mushroom relys on this perspiration along with levels of mannitol to grow as it creates osmotic pressure and forces new water into the mushroom. if they cannot perspire they will not grow fast!
maybe not aborts, just too wet and the lack of FAE was not allowing perspiration so slowing growth! i would not give up on them yet!! correct parameters and them pins that u think are aborts may bounce back and grow unless u are too late and they have aborted because of these reasons.
judging by the photos and how wet the verm,pins and walls are instead of low humidity causing this i belive its high 100% humidity and lack of FAE what was the problem!
solution..... the same, raise to help the FAE. This will help them shrooms perspire and dry out a little and also give you your growth rates 
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Re: Soooo many aborts?? [Re: IMBiff]
#21282393 - 02/16/15 11:55 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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IMBiff said: BigBear, it's really good to see you here, too! I was hoping I would. Thanks for the positives. What about the temperature you mentioned? Too hot or cold? It's -2*F outside this morning, so it's been a challenge keeping my cakes above 68*, even with the house set at 70*. Do you suppose I could run a small heater in the room, leaving the door open for air flow? Many thanks, BigBear!
Best to keep them between 67-78ish. There is a little room for error beyond that, but at below 65 they will stall and at above 82ish shit will hit the fan. For heating a room check out oil filled space heaters. They aren't that expensive (bout 50 from Home Depot) but definitely worth it. They cut on automatically and won't affect the relative humidity in your environment. I highly recommend one. I basically lost half my fucking crop Cuz my apartment jumped up to 87 degrees due to a heat wave and the heaters being on. It pissed me off pretty bad. Temperature control is an amazing thing. Keep the room at 70-75 and your cubes will be happy as hell.
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Re: Soooo many aborts?? [Re: Big Bear]
#21283822 - 02/16/15 04:22 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hi guys!
Great stuff!!!
BigBear, I have a radiant heater (little) running in there now. It is temperature sensitive as you suggest. Also, because of my allergies, I run a humidifier at the other end of the house, 24/7. I keep my home RH around 35%-40%. I'll monitor the home's RH to see if the heater effects it. Good idea? I also put a very sensitive temp probe through one of the holes in the top of the SGFC to monitor the temp inside the FC, from the outside. Thanks sooo much, once again, my friend!
LumpyNutz and mustangbob3, at one point, I wondered if I was obsessively spraying. So, you guys make perfect sense to me. I'll keep the spraying to only what is necessary to keep RH, right?
mustangbob3, I love it!! I am a very linear-logical thinker, so I appreciate the schooling very much. I have a much better understanding of the how, now that I better understand the process these little guys go through to grow from cakes.
Thanks so much for your advice, team!!! I really found a passion here, and you all really help me. Grateful.
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Re: Soooo many aborts?? [Re: IMBiff]
#21284137 - 02/16/15 05:03 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah man. RH doesn't matter too much bc a properly built SGFC maintains the humidity necessaey for cubes. Oil filled are just recommended Cuz I guess some people have problems with other kinds drying out their environment. Sounds like it isn't a problem for you and you got your temps dialed in. 68 degrees is fine, and some people say that a little on the cold side produces better fruits. The reason I always recommend 70-75 is because it is super hard for me to control my environment since my apt complex sucks and I can't control the heat.
The fuckers are resilient. Are you taking spore prints yet? Also you should really look in to agar soon. The sooner you get in to it the better off you will be. Dialed in environments+clean spawn=you fuckin crushin it.
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Re: Soooo many aborts?? [Re: Big Bear]
#21286403 - 02/17/15 04:10 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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BigBear, all joking aside, I had a dream last night that I was working with agar. I watched the video from the site you recommended. [Now somewhat joking] I suppose it's destiny, now I've been searching for a good Tek on what's works well/most necessary: still air box, glove box, flow hood. What are your thoughts?
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Re: Soooo many aborts?? [Re: IMBiff]
#21286405 - 02/17/15 04:14 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Oh...to answer your question, I'm still working with syringes. I can certainly see where the Mexi-cubes dumped a bunch on my first cake, though.
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