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Invisiblemustangbob3
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Re: Soooo many aborts?? [Re: LumpyNutz]
    #21281583 - 02/16/15 08:21 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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LumpyNutz said:
Looks a little too wet in There.
I Would cut down on Your mistIng They shouldn't Have That much standing Water on The pins.




didnt want to say because it sort of contradicts previous advice, but that was my thoughts, when pins are  dark drown and not black aborts it is usually water that makes them darker and they will abort if you dont sort it.

it may have been as there was no adequet FAE (sgfc not being raised) the humidity went up to 100% and as the mushrooms also absorb water from the air they become too wet.
at 100% humidity the mushroom struggle to perspire so hold onto excess water.
with FAE this is balanced out even if the humidity is 100%( the amount of water the  mushroom can perspire increases with the airflow and the amount it can absord from the air goes down):)

the mushroom relys on this perspiration along with levels of mannitol to grow as it creates osmotic pressure  and forces new water into the mushroom. if they cannot perspire they will not grow fast!

maybe not aborts, just too wet and the lack of FAE was not allowing perspiration so slowing growth!
i would not give up on them yet!!
correct parameters and them pins that u think are aborts may bounce back and grow unless u are too late and they have aborted because of these reasons.

judging by the photos and how wet the verm,pins and walls are instead of low humidity causing this i belive its high 100% humidity and lack of FAE what was the problem!

solution..... the same, raise to help the FAE.
This will help them shrooms perspire and dry out a little and also give you your growth rates :smile:




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Re: Soooo many aborts?? [Re: IMBiff]
    #21282393 - 02/16/15 11:55 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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IMBiff said:
BigBear, it's really good to see you here, too! I was hoping I would. Thanks for the positives. What about the temperature you mentioned? Too hot or cold? It's -2*F outside this morning, so it's been a challenge keeping my cakes above 68*, even with the house set at 70*. Do you suppose I could run a small heater in the room, leaving the door open for air flow? Many thanks, BigBear!



Best to keep them between 67-78ish.  There is a little room for error beyond that, but at below 65 they will stall and at above 82ish shit will hit the fan.  For heating a room check out oil filled space heaters.  They aren't that expensive (bout 50 from Home Depot) but definitely worth it.  They cut on automatically and won't affect the relative humidity in your environment.  I highly recommend one.  I basically lost half my fucking crop Cuz my apartment jumped up to 87 degrees due to a heat wave and the heaters being on.  It pissed me off pretty bad.  Temperature control is an amazing thing.  Keep the room at 70-75 and your cubes will be happy as hell.


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Re: Soooo many aborts?? [Re: Big Bear]
    #21283822 - 02/16/15 04:22 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Hi guys!

Great stuff!!!

BigBear, I have a radiant heater (little) running in there now. It is temperature sensitive as you suggest. Also, because of my allergies, I run a humidifier at the other end of the house, 24/7. I keep my home RH around 35%-40%. I'll monitor the home's RH to see if the heater effects it. Good idea? I also put a very sensitive temp probe through one of the holes in the top of the SGFC to monitor the temp inside the FC, from the outside. Thanks sooo much, once again, my friend!

LumpyNutz and mustangbob3, at one point, I wondered if I was obsessively spraying. So, you guys make perfect sense to me. I'll keep the spraying to only what is necessary to keep RH, right?

mustangbob3, I love it!! I am a very linear-logical thinker, so I appreciate the schooling very much. I have a much better understanding of the how, now that I better understand the process these little guys go through to grow from cakes.

Thanks so much for your advice, team!!! I really found a passion here, and you all really help me. Grateful.


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Re: Soooo many aborts?? [Re: IMBiff]
    #21284137 - 02/16/15 05:03 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah man.  RH doesn't matter too much bc a properly built SGFC maintains the humidity necessaey for cubes.  Oil filled are just recommended Cuz I guess some people have problems with other kinds drying out their environment.  Sounds like it isn't a problem for you and you got your temps dialed in.  68 degrees is fine, and some people say that a little on the cold side produces better fruits.  The reason I always recommend 70-75 is because it is super hard for me to control my environment since my apt complex sucks and I can't control the heat. 

The fuckers are resilient.  Are you taking spore prints yet? Also you should really look in to agar soon.  The sooner you get in to it the better off you will be.  Dialed in environments+clean spawn=you fuckin crushin it. 

Keep up the good work :thumbup:


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Re: Soooo many aborts?? [Re: Big Bear]
    #21286403 - 02/17/15 04:10 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

BigBear, all joking aside, I had a dream last night that I was working with agar. I watched the video from the site you recommended. [Now somewhat joking] I suppose it's destiny, now :smile: I've been searching for a good Tek on what's works well/most necessary: still air box, glove box, flow hood. What are your thoughts?


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Re: Soooo many aborts?? [Re: IMBiff]
    #21286405 - 02/17/15 04:14 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Oh...to answer your question, I'm still working with syringes. I can certainly see where the Mexi-cubes dumped a bunch on my first cake, though.


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