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Re: Lion's Ear -Klip Dagga [Re: chucklehead]
    #21219837 - 02/03/15 07:41 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I had that stuff growing at my ex house for years but never got around to smoking any. Wish I had. It's very easy to grow, makes beautiful sprays of orange flowers, and draws hummingbirds. Perhaps one day I will run into it again.

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Re: Lion's Ear -Klip Dagga [Re: TGS]
    #21219853 - 02/03/15 07:49 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I ordered seeds for both tail and ear and I'll see what happens.  I live in zone 5 for growing.  So I don't think they will survive our winters.  I'm going to try container gardening them as well as putting them in the ground.  I think they'll go nicely with my day lilies and irises.

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Re: Lion's Ear -Klip Dagga [Re: chucklehead]
    #21220210 - 02/03/15 09:43 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Vaping Lion's Tail at 350F is better than 325F. 

I freshly loaded the vape last night but the flowers didn't look dried out or degraded from the previous nights session.  Well last night I kept it at 325F and did my usual but it felt a little limited even though I was puffing the heck out of it.  Sort of like it had less kick than the night prior where I was doing a combo with weed in my other vape that I keep at 355F for weed. 

So I was wondering if maybe the issue was the weed or the temperature because I think you can feel the Loin's tail as a separate buzz from the weed buzz and distinguish them while enjoying both.  Anyway I decided the experiment would be to keep Loin's Tail at 325F last night and attempt to exhaust the material at that temperature (which I feel I managed to do).  Today I left that same material in the vape and simply turned it back on and turned up the temperature to 355F.  Today I get every bit the buzz I had last night.  More tests are needed.  I'll probably not go up beyond 385F.  385F does a pretty good job of degrading weed to a crumbly pile of brown dust.  I would imagine similar results will occur with Lion's Tail.  In any case I'll keep inching it up on this same material until I feel I've rung it out entirely.  I'm sure these temperature ranges are subject to the accuracy of the model and design of your vape.  These temperatures relate to the Vapir NO2 model vaporizer.

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Re: Lion's Ear -Klip Dagga [Re: chucklehead]
    #21222294 - 02/03/15 05:23 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

We Tried the white wine lotus recipe, it pretty much sucked.  Nothing compared to smoking effects of the extract, and the wine turns very bitter.  And drinking a ton of wine has its own effects that aren't synergistic with the blue lotus from my perspective.


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Re: Lion's Ear -Klip Dagga [Re: chucklehead]
    #21222313 - 02/03/15 05:28 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

385F is too high in my opinion.  It didn't extract any more actives after 350F had stopped working.  It just started tasting funky like it was smoldering or something.  So far 350F seems optimal. 


--I started another thread about Lotus tea earlier today.  Quickly I'll say I liked it and it definitely get's you high but it took 10g.  I'm going to mess around with vaping just the lotus to see if that can pack as much punch as the tea but I seriously doubt it.  The high lasted about an hour and a half and afterward I was slightly irritable.  Check out the other thread for details.  I'm going to give it an edit with some updates later.

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Loin's Tail counters the stony side of weed [Re: chucklehead] * 1
    #21235471 - 02/06/15 02:23 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Tried rolling a joint of Lion's Tail.  It works for getting you high but man it tastes gross.  The vape might be a pain in the ass but it tastes good. 

Interesting side note.  Last night I decided to smoke some of my good weed last night.  I had gotten pretty stony.  Then for whatever reason I decided to hit the Lion's Tail.  What was strange was I didn't get more high, I got less high.  It seemed to counter the stony side of weed.  The up high part was fine but the stoney, mentally slow, couch lock side would be pushed away with each puff on the Lion's Tail.  Somehow Lion's Tail counters that effect.  I could see how that could be beneficial in a situation where you needed to come down in a hurry.  Or at least get some clarity.  I wonder if it would also counter the paranoia I associate with really high levels in my system.  I know if I dab sometimes I get super paranoid.  Which is one reason I don't dab very often, but that is a discussion for another thread.

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Re: Loin's Tail counters the stony side of weed [Re: chucklehead]
    #21235673 - 02/06/15 03:17 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

interesting....

You should purposely get stoned to the point of paranoia then smoke lions tail and see what happens.

Could be great for easing paranoia weed trips :shrug:

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Re: Loin's Tail counters the stony side of weed [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #21267629 - 02/13/15 05:32 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I bookmarked this last week and just got around to reading it. Interesting stuff fo sho dude. You experimented anymore since your last post? I've tried blue lotus, only the petals though, and only smoking it. Definitely seemed like it gave me a minor buzz and some drowsiness but that's it. I've tried passion flower too, but again it was via smoking and not much of an effect. I have a vape now, it just hadn't occurred to me to revisit some of this stuff. I tried kanna extract once and it was pretty intense, maybe that'd be an interesting one to try. The plant that is. Also yeah salvia sucks but nitrous oxide is benign and actually pretty cool, $ though. Spot on about the kava burny numbness, but if you've only experienced alcoholish effects, there's a whole 'nother kind of kava experience out there. That rash sounds like bad news though.

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Re: Loin's Tail counters the stony side of weed [Re: OnePerEyeM8]
    #21274888 - 02/14/15 09:06 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

รŽ should probably wait to respond to this because I am really stoned right now.  I guess I will write it up and read it later for edits. 

Yes I have experimented more.  Though  I have been getting inconsistent results.  Which is why I haven't been posting.  I wanted to sort them out first.  One problem is I get greedy for the lions tail high.  so I over pack my vape which is completely counter productive.  Good air flow is important to getting a good high from lions tail.  I was still getting high just less high until I repacked the vape.  I ordered a couple new vapes with higher oven chamber volumes to avoid the temptation to over pack and for the machine to pack a bigger punch. 

I have reached a point where I now enjoy lions tail as much as I like weed.  In fact I often prefer it over weed.  Believe me that is a hard thing to admit.  I am actually making a point to make sure I smoke actually vape some weed for the analgesic properties.  Over time I have come to really appreciate the relatively short duration of the high as well as the greater access to my mental faculties while high.  Effectively this is something I can vape all day on and off as necessary.  As I said there were varying degrees of effectiveness.  Initially I thought I was building a tolerance but then the next time I might get good and high.  I mentioned the over packing issue.  I think also there is a wide degree of variance in potency in the actual material itself.  Also I suspect pregrinding the material actually degrades it over time.  Of that I am not completely certain.  To mitigate some of the issue I think the larger capacity vapes will allow for lower material processing and higher material volume which I hope will even out the quality of the experience. 

Smoking.  I have tried smoking joints and bowls of different types with lions tail.  These methods are reasonably effective.  However I don't care for the taste.  Given smoking or nothing I would still smoke Lions Tail.  Given my preference I will vape it every time.  I found no notable differences in the effects of smoking vs vaping.

Smoking blue lotus.  This actually doesn't taste too bad.  In fact it is kind of pleasant.  I find smoking blue lotus gets the fastest results with the shortest duration.  Making a tea takes the longest to do but the high lasts a couple hours as does sedation.  For vaping blue lotus I found that you must finger grind it down very finely.  I found 400F to be as hot as I cared to get the material.  385F is my preference but the session tends to be a bit long.  The high lasts pretty long but I keep falling asleep as it really relaxes me more than the other two methods and I mostly use it at night.  I have seen this called the 'comfortables' which is a pretty good term for it.  I would say you need to also call it contented ness.  Side note: great sleep and good dreams.  I find the sedation effect goes well into the next day. 

I still believe blue lotus and wild dagga synergize extremely well.  The two highs combine into one awesome high unlike with weed where they clearly have different sensations apparat from each other and yet still good to enjoy together.  I no longer care for blending lotus and Lions Tail in the same smoke mix.  I prefer them at different temperatures (365F for LT vs 385F for BL). Also each requires the full volume of my old vapes to be effective enough for my taste.  If you are going to combine them I would say definitely vape both separately as the duration on lotus is too short with smoking.  I kept finding myself wanting more too soon and feeling disappointed it wasn't lasting.  So you end up repacking the bowl a lot for the lotus if you smoke it rather than vaping it.  You may want to vape the lions tail first to prevent skipping it because the lotus makes you too content and sleepy to bother with it. 

Lions tail definitely is effective at reducing anxiety from weed highs and you absolutely are less Stoney.  I have tested it three times with the same result each time.

Lions tail leaves me feeling alert.  When I have it at night it tends to keep me awake but not like caffeine.  It is more like I am just less tired but not jittery in any way.  In contrast to this my daytime experience is one of lethargy and while it is isn't anywhere near weed level mentally taxing it does impact concentration, focus, drive, and ability to a lesser degree. 

More experiments are needed.

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Re: Loin's Tail counters the stony side of weed [Re: chucklehead]
    #21275097 - 02/14/15 10:11 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I thought I would add my two cents.  I smoked these 50x extracts that were 30 dollars for a 3 gram pack, of both lions tail, and blue lotus/blue lily (combined, the lotus and lily that is, not the lions tail).  It said they were organic and from thailand.  I much prefered the blue lotus/lily one, it got me higher, and had better effects.  I had minimal effects from the lions tail one.  They came as little brown or blue pebbles with dust, almost looked like dirt.

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Re: Loin's Tail counters the stony side of weed [Re: bigbitch]
    #21279170 - 02/15/15 06:30 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

The general body of experiences testimonials on the web with blue lotus extract seem to be positive.  The general sentiment is that it is fairly effective but expensive.  I am considering getting a bit of it just to experiment a bit. 

I have not found a lot of reviews on lions tail extracts.  Most of what I have found generally agrees with you.  It works but people tend to be underwhelmed.  Another trend I have notices is people that do their own alcohol extracts of lions tail say the experience is intense.  I may have to try this.  Though I am not sure how I might go about using the extract.  Perhaps I can use a vapor pen for oils.  I have a few.

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Re: Loin's Tail counters the stony side of weed [Re: chucklehead]
    #21282386 - 02/16/15 11:53 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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The general body of experiences testimonials on the web with blue lotus extract seem to be positive.  The general sentiment is that it is fairly effective but expensive.  I am considering getting a bit of it just to experiment a bit. 

I have not found a lot of reviews on lions tail extracts.  Most of what I have found generally agrees with you.  It works but people tend to be underwhelmed.  Another trend I have notices is people that do their own alcohol extracts of lions tail say the experience is intense.  I may have to try this.  Though I am not sure how I might go about using the extract.  Perhaps I can use a vapor pen for oils.  I have a few.




I would love to vaporize it.  I sold all of my vaporizers though, due to being on a drug testing schedule now.  I always liked top of the line plug in vapes much better than the pens though.  I just used a bong with a carbonite slide.  I'm about to make some blends Blue Lily extract, Passion Flower, Skullcap, Wild Dagga; pedicularis exract, damiana, catnip, and Mugwart is the plan for the first blend.  THat way I can use this little glass carbonite disk piece made for doobies, and smoke on the run, or not have to hide a bong.

One note is, I've tried some different pedicularis extracts (elephant head bud).  25x 50x etc. means nothing.  What reallly makes the difference is who makes the extract, and how it was made.  Some lower quality extracts really do not contain many actives.

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Re: Loin's Tail counters the stony side of weed [Re: bigbitch]
    #21285252 - 02/16/15 08:04 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I'm usually pretty sketched out about extracts purchased online.  I read the vendor hype and look for reviews but that's as far as it goes.  I bought a bunch several years ago and was very unimpressed.  Frankly I don't trust them.  Who knows what these people are actually selling you.  I am a lot more comfortable with just getting the plant material.  I can recognize the flower or leaf visually, and by smell, and later by taste.  The extracts just look like brown or black powders or rocks or blobs of goo.  If you have a vendor you trust that's cool.  I'm more comfortable with just getting the plants and doing the extractions myself.  Sure it's a lot of work, but I am certain about my product and that's important to me.

For the moment I'm pretty satisfied by the plants in their normal state.  I would definitely like to improve upon the process but these things take time to refine. 

I have noticed lately a persistent drowsiness from the blue lotus.  I'm probably going to reserve the use of it to night time as it seems to relax me so much I just want to nap all day. 

Your blend sounds complicated.  I find it difficult to imagine it would be effective.  You need a certain amount of each to get the desired effect.  I assume your joints are a relatively fixed size.  The more things you bring to the blend the more you dilute each and thus the less of each you will be consuming.  As a result I see each being less effective and not more so.

I've got the Arizer Extreme Q on the way.  The cyclone bowl is reported to be way bigger than you need for normal weed consumption.  From the videos I've watched it looks to be anywhere from 5 to 10 times larger than necessary.  Also the cyclone bowls are hot swappable (if done with caution and care).  So I can fill one full up with lion's tail and one full up with lotus, or two full up with lion's tail who knows.  There are some other reasons that model appealed to me.  For one precise heat controls seem to be important to loin's tail.  I found 365F was just about the perfect temperature in my Vapir NO2 but the effective range is fairly narrow 325F was too low and 385F was too high as it scorches.  The ability to switch between bags and the whip is pretty cool.  I could totally see filling two bags in a row and enjoying one, then the second after I come down some.  I'll have to rig up a plug for the hose I'm sure I can find something. 

My main gripes with the Vapir NO2 and lion's tail are that I pretty much get one session out of LT in my oven, unlike with weed where I can get 2-5 depending on the temps I use and quality of the weed.  You can squeeze a second session out of LT but it's isn't as powerful and it'll leave you disappointed.  The trouble is LT takes a lot more hits to get as high as I would like than weed does.  So you more or less exhaust the material in one session as it tends to be long.  Here is where the gripe comes in.  Packing the Vapir NO2 with LT is a finicky process.  If you over pack it you can't draw through it very well.  Also the fuzzy little hairs clog up the screens.  So packing and unpacking is a slow process and not one I care to do once I am riding a buzz already and just looking for a second bump to carry me off to the land of nod.  Otherwise it's great.  It works well.  I can plug it in and use it while plugged in.  The vapor is never hot.  The units just barely get warm even in long sessions.

I tried a Pax on the low setting with LT and the first few hits are awesome.  The large oven makes for better first hits.  The problem is the Pax gets hot after a little while.  It gets hot in your hand and the mouthpiece heats up a good bit and the vapor get's hot.  That's not really a problem with weed in the Pax because it get's me very high in just three hits (which is perfect for a sneaky portable vape).  So I never have long sessions with weed and the Pax.  I think it's a good option for on the go action with LT.  It'll get the job done for sure.  Just plan on only getting one short session or dumping and repacking while out.  At least that's pretty easy with the Pax.  I'm going to fiddle around with the next setting up but I suspect that'll be to hot and it'll scorch the petals and then taste funky.

I'm going to also order a Da Vinci eventually.  I think it has some better options as far as portable vaping goes with LT.  It has more precise temperature controls and a long battery life.  Also you can get the extended straw separately.  I presume the purpose of the longer straw is to get a cooler hit which is what I'd be after as I suspect the shorter path between the oven and your mouth would lead to hotter hits.  Also I like the idea that it can be used while plugged in.  So I can use it at home and on the go.  What I really want from it is a travel vape for strictly legal highs.

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Re: Loin's Tail counters the stony side of weed [Re: chucklehead]
    #21285886 - 02/16/15 10:58 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I'm envious of your vaporizable income. Practically green. I've been keeping an eye on CL for an Arizer, looks like some good bang for the $. You been following the Grasshopper development at all? If you ask me, it still looks pretty promising. Hopefully we'll have some real reviews in a month or so.

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Re: Loin's Tail counters the stony side of weed [Re: OnePerEyeM8]
    #21286149 - 02/17/15 12:19 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I owned two extreme q's.  I remember dissing them in another thread, and I got a bunch of extreme q fanboy's trying to defend it.  I remember I looked around and saw some positive user reviews, and that was why I originally bought them.  I actually fell in love with mine at first, as it was the first good vape I owned, and worked great out of the box.  I hate to make you feel reluctant about your purchase at all, but this is why I had gripes.

My first one stopped working so well after a few months.  It still worked, but I don't know what was wrong with it.  It was like it no longer vaped my buds at the temp I was used to using, and when I turned it up, my bowls didn't last long anymore.  I was just getting alot less out of my product.  I used it for awhile like this, and just tried to use it less, and have less of a tolerance.

I then bought my second one, it worked well for awhile too.  Then it started having a temp problem.  You would stop getting good hits on your bowl.  The temp it was registering, and temp it was set at, would say the same thing.  eg. 388/388.  Then you change the temp its set at up 2 degrees, and immediately the temp it registers at dropped like 20 degrees, at the click of a button. eg. 390/368.  Then it would climb back up to 390, you would get a few hits, it would stop hitting good again, and you would change the temp, and it had dropped again. 

So getting fed up with my temp changing vape, that also seemed to be deteriorating in hit quality too (like the first one), I went back to my original extreme q.  I found out online that if you busted it open and cleaned it out, maybe changed the position of some thing in it (It's been a long time, don't remember it in detail), it would possibly fix it.  I busted it open cleaned it well, and voila!  It was working great.  I was going to send in the temp changing one for warranty repair, but after I saw all the weed dust in the inside of the other one, I decided that I didn't want to ship weed to Canada. 

In short, my first extreme stopped working so well again rather quickly.  I busted them both open so many times trying to get them to work like they did when new.  It seemed like each time I busted it open, it rebounded to shitty state quicker.  I also saw a melted piece of plastic in the vapor path.  After reading around on the fuck combustion forum for it, I found out other users had that issue.  Arizer said it wasn't plastic, and was some other material that was harmless.  I believe it's not plastic now, but I was done with those vapes.  Some people on fuckcombustion mod their extremes out all crazy though, and they look like they hit awesome.  I look at the extreme like a car (you want to race with), that has some mechanical problems, but a good aftermarket.  In other words, if you're mechanically inclined, then it might be a good vape for you.  If not, look elsewhere.

I've owned 3 da buddhas and one silver surfer too.  I've also hit a silver surfer with the GoG wand attachment.  All of these vapes were a favorite.  My favorite hands down, was the silver surfer, with the standard wand attachment.  They have a learning curve.  You're talking about getting the temp right, well that's kind of hard out of the box..  50 bowls later though, you'll be a master.  Hundreds of bowls later, you can set that thing to any temp you want just by looking at where the notch on the dial is.  They worked much better with my bongs than my extreme imo too.  The customization is endless.  If you do not like the shape of the head around the heater element of your current surfer, get a new piece for it that's shaped differently!  The only issue I've ever had with these vapes, is sometimes my bud wouldn't vape good anymore.  I turned it all the way up even, and it wouldn't really vape my bud!  I contacted 7th floor, and they assured me if the element still lit up, and my light on the back still turned on, it worked, and was likely a heater element position issue.  After taking the glass piece over the heater element off, and moving, then lightly twisting the heater element, to make it move and stay, I fixed my problem!  I've had to do this on a few da buddhas too, but my problem was permanently fixed.  It was much less of a headache than the extremes, and I'm pretty sure the reason this happened in the first place, was because dumbasses would trip over the cord, or do something else.  My vape would go flying to the floor, and it probably moved the heater element.

The enano-v2 sounds awesome, I would def buy it.  My buddy has an underdog and loves it too.  I've hit it, and it works great.  You need a variable voltage unit for it to control the temp though.  It seems to be for the mechanically inclined too. I've been interested in the vapexhale cloud evo, but have no experience with that. I don't really like the pax of MFLB (i've owned both).  Then again, it's better than the atmos for dry herb, and I never liked any portable vape I've tried so well.  I have no experience with the davinci.

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Re: Loin's Tail counters the stony side of weed [Re: bigbitch]
    #21286887 - 02/17/15 08:53 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Bigbitch thanks for the heads up.  That is some really great info.  Great write up.  I will be on the lookout for those issues.  I don't mind doing a little fiddling with the machine.  I have been voiding warranties for a long time.  Still I want it to work well and for a long time. My one vapir NO2 is around 4 or 5 years old and still works like new.  Btw good call on the not shipping weed to Canada.  I am always amazed when I see people selling/shipping used gear.  Regarding portable vapes, I have no big gripe with the Pax it gets hot after long sessions but it was never intended for that.  I have some super cheap wax pens and some work and some don't.  I also got a cheap pen that was meant to be for dry herb but it just burns the weed so I gave it away.  I have a cloud 2.0 on the way.  I want to make some LT wax by ethanol extraction and vape it.  The Vapir NO2 I would call semi portable because you can't pocket it but it can be tucked in a bag or jacket easily and works really well on the battery it just lacks stealth.  A mega cup from the quickly-mart solves that.  Just take the mouth piece tip off of the rubber hose and put that through the lid.  It just looks like you are having a soda.  It makes sharing inconspicuous also. 

OnePerEyeM8 thanks for the tip on the grasshopper.  At first I was like wow that is sweet!  I particularly like the charging collar.  Then I realized your mouth is right on the oven.  Looks so cool though and ultra stealthy.  As for income don't get excited.  I am just as broke as everyone else.  I have been cutting corners to save up for this new gear.  I figure it this way, in the long run a good vape for lions tail is going to pay for itself in all the weed I am not smoking/vaping.  I mean $18/oz. of LT delivered is so much less than an ounce of even cheapest weed I can get around here.  Heck that is cheaper than buying trimmings.  Don't criticize.  You do what you gotta sometimes. 

So I am putting down some cash now but will save in the long run.  Plus more and more I want legal options.  It will be a long while before weed is legal where I am and it would be awesome to never be concerned about a drug test or getting pulled over with weed etc.  I love weed and all but as time goes on it just seems less and less worth the risk legally or financially.

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Re: Loin's Tail counters the stony side of weed [Re: chucklehead]
    #21287571 - 02/17/15 11:43 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah my main gripe with the pax, and almost all portable vapes, was the lack of airflow.  It's like trying to suck through a little straw!  I can't hold my breath that long, and this dude needs some o2!  I actually sold my pax pretty quick.  I had overvaped a few bowls with it on the low heat setting but not so many.  My buddy I sold it to, told me that it seemed to burn up his bowls more, after owning it for awhile.  Maybe it's our length of session like you were talking about, or lack of maintenance on the pax.  Something I wanted to add about the extreme q, is a clean screen can make a world of difference.  THose little suckers are expensive too!  Lions tale may not gunk up your screen too bad.  Since my screen would get gunked up pretty bad after one bowl of bud, I bought like ten of those things, and would soak them in alcohol, then run hot water through them.  I would pop a new one in every bowl.  With my silver surfer, ten screens was like 2 bucks with free shipping.  They needed to be replaced almost as often too, but I just used new ones.  You could turn the temp all the way up between bowls, and hit it really slow to ungunk the screen some.

What I wonder, is if cops would ever still arrest you, because they thought lions tail was marijuana, or another illegal drug.  I'm sure it could easily be dismissed, but nobody wants to go through that trouble.  I'm currently supervised, and have home visits.  I didn't ask if these herbals were ok, because I'm sure the answer may be no.  I have a bong for this stuff in my house right now.  I'm about to hopefully try out a few different mixtures, and get some more herbals in soon, and make some pre-rolls that I can hide really well.  Then I will give my bong to a friend to hold onto, and clean the place up.  I can be searched without a warrant though, and I'm always worried what would really happen if I was caught with this legal stuff?  Would they throw me in jail and prison, until I could prove otherwise?  I wonder what happens if you get caught on the go, smoking lions tail out of your vapir no2.  Hopefully we can all stay out of the courtroom on this stuff.  Maybe you can save so much money vaping lions tail, that you can pay for these vapes with your weed savings.  Then if you ever decide to revert back to weed, you will have top of the line vapes, a reward for your abstinence!

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Re: Loin's Tail counters the stony side of weed [Re: bigbitch]
    #21290192 - 02/17/15 07:16 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

The Pax is definitely a high maintenance device.  You are supposed to clean it every 10 sessions or so.  Thanks for the tip about the Extreme Q elbow filters.  I suspected they were a pain in the rear since I kept seeing people with flip loads of the screens and a bunch of videos about how to clean them and people always had a couple dozen screens.  I thought that was strange and then started thinking it must clog pretty often if they have that many. 

Regarding the law, I couldn't really say.  I just don't know a lot about that sort of thing.  I just want to stay on the right side of the law.  I don't smoke and drive so as not to tempt fate.  My big-gulp trick is reserved to my back yard and the garage etc.  The odor from Lion's Tail even when you actually smoke it rather than vaping it reminds me of pipe tobacco.  When vaped you just can't even smell it.  I really don't know what would happen if they caught me with it at the beach or something but it seems unlikely as I plan to keep it packed up while traveling.  I suspect they could mess me around if that was what they wanted.  I just don't want to give them a reason.

Lion's Tail doesn't look or smell like weed at all really.  Maybe keep it in a jar labeled potpourri next to another jar of potpourri or two?  It's fragment enough that might pass muster.  You could also put it with your food.  I noticed that if you crumble Blue Lotus stamens they resemble Thyme.  I coincidentally just used up the last of my thyme.  So I cleaned the jar and I'm putting my Blue Lotus stamens in there tomorrow when the jar is dry.  I actually have no need to hide my stuff but I just liked the idea of it.  I bet you can come up with something along those lines.  Maybe look for something close in the spice isle at the grocery.

To bring the thread back on topic.  I found a recipe for doing an alcohol extraction of Lion's Tail.  The usual process applies but the recommended soak time was 3-7 days.  I'm guessing that is massive overkill but I'm not in a huge hurry.  So I'll go 3 days and see what I get. 

The Arizer showed up today.  So I'm going to give that a go in a few minutes.  I'll let you folks know what it's like.

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Re: Loin's Tail counters the stony side of weed [Re: chucklehead]
    #21295470 - 02/18/15 08:07 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Lion's Tail in the Arizer Extreme Q is definitely great.  I first tried it with my Blue Lotus and Lion's Tail mix.  I had it all ground and mixed up and it was handy.  So I did that first.  Hot damn that was good.  I am still dialing it in but 375F to 380F seems to be about right for the Arizer Extreme Q and Lion's Tail.  I filled the cyclone bowl but didn't pack it.  Last night I was very stoned from it.  Today I put unprocessed Lion's Tail flowers in the blow and packed them.  While it didn't offer the fast high you get from a good ground up material, it made up for it in longevity.  I filled that bowl and lightly packed it and that thing lasted me all day.  ~The eblow filter does fill up with material but it's really easy to clean.  I take off the wand, swirl the stir rod in it to empty loose material.  Then point the elbow at the trash can and blow through the wand and all the dusty debris blows right out.  The resins do not appear to be building up in any significant amount yet. 

After vaping Lion's Tail all day my lungs ache a little.  I believe Lion's Tail to be slightly caustic to flesh.  Just handling the petals in my hand irritates my skin very slightly.  I have also noticed a scratchiness to my voice lately which I believe is from persistent use of LT.  I find the discomfort to be more pronounced when smoking LT rather than vaping it.  Also if I take a day off of LT all the discomfort is relieved.

I believe that which causes irritation to flesh is not necessarily that which gives you the high from LT.  What I suspect is the irritant has a higher boiling point than the 'brain candy' compounds.  Before anyone goes quoting me this is not gospel or science.  This is just a suspicion of mine based on my own observations.  When I ramp up the temps the more irritation is noticed.  Likewise long drawn out session where I'm vaping on the same material with lower and lower returns seems to result in more irritation. 

In the future I'll probably use ground material on an ongoing basis. The reason for that is I want to get better and faster results at slightly lower temps to avoid irritation and get higher faster.  The materials will be exhausted sooner as a result and most likely I will not bother to fully exhaust the materials.  My habits lately are to vape throughout the day but mostly that's been curiosity.  I don't think I'll keep that up.  My usual habit is to vape at night before bed  I will most likely return to this behavior shortly as I believe I have found the material and equipment I've been looking for.

For me Lion's Tail + Blue Lotus really is a suitable replacement to marijuana.  I grant you it doesn't have a lasting high and you won't get nearly as stoned.  I don't really like to get mega high anyway.  I just like a nice buzz and now that I have a long lasting bowl I can just have a few more puffs when the initial high starts to wear off.  I'm only actually enjoying any high regardless of the source material for an hour or two before I fall asleep anyway.  So two sessions on the same bowl on the EQ are enough to satisfy me at the moment.  I'm not the first to say it but this really does eliminate my craving for weed.  I can't put my finger on why that is so, but it's a fact.  There is something about it that drives away the desire to smoke weed especially immediately after smoking it.  I just don't feel like weed is necessary.

For those paying close attention to my flip flopping on certain points.  I want to clarify a couple things.  Blue Lotus is definitely not a daytime fun for me.  It's too relaxing.  I have to keep that to night time for clarity of mind and day time productivity.  I do like Lion's Tail and Lotus together but not necessarily in the same bowl.  This I think can be done but here is the trick, while Blue Lotus will vape at the lower temperatures along with the Lion's Tail to really get the goodies from it you have to up the temps.  So you have to basically do it like you might when vaping weed.  You start at a lower temperature range and work you way up.  With these big cyclone bowls that should work out well.  I will have to fiddle with it more and get back to you.  Just keep in mind when you up the temps to get the best out of the blue lotus the lion's tail is going to start to toast/scorch and be a little less pleasant tasting than usual.  I still think for the most pleasant experience they are better enjoyed together but vaped separately but the lazy stoner side of me doesn't want to hassle with packing separate bowls and swapping them out mid session. 

More experiments are needed.

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Re: Loin's Tail counters the stony side of weed [Re: chucklehead]
    #21296357 - 02/18/15 11:09 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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I will most likely return to this behavior shortly as I believe I have found the material and equipment I've been looking for.




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