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Tantrika
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Was taught that the Daoist deities associated with longevity were depicted with large craniums due to their retention of ejaculation, coupled with sexual practices involving the absorption of energy from their female partners. It was supposedly part of their practices of immortality.
 (Shou Xing - Chinese)
(Fukurokuju - Japanese)
Do you have any further insights you could share? Do the differing sexual practices stem from different lineages or eras?
Interested in any research suggestions you could suggest, too. Daoism is not my strong suit...
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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: Tantrika]
#18217814 - 05/05/13 12:51 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'd first like to confront the man who marks masturbation as "draining"; your wreckless and ill-intended use of words is clear to all of us. There is a huge difference between channeling and converting energy to "draining" energy. If I boil water to cook some eggs and half of it evaporates—then freeze the rest and use an ice cube, the remaining ice cubes are not the original amount of water: This has nothing to do with pouring water down a drain.
I think masturbation can be spiritual; if you are deeply in lust with a person and it's affecting your thoughts, choices, and actions—if you are longing for them, changing yourself, and feeling incredibly sexually attracted, I have found that if you masturbate to the thought of being in love with the person—usually by the end of climax your crippling desires will have ceased and you can get the fuck on with life.
Daoists who hold in their ejaculation throughout an entire saga of marriage may perhaps be completely deranged; I do not recommend holding your orgasm in, forbidding yourself from releasing bodily fluids (which is a healthy part of the flow of the system), and refusing yourself the ultimate, soul-saving release of bliss we have all come to know and love.
I'll finish this post by adding that if your fantasies are focused on the visions of a deity, you are absolutely meditating on the concept of sharing and joining equal ground with its power and love. Through countless masturbation meditations/fantasies/experiences, I have most certainly allowed myself to come to a place of greater love and acceptance toward others by simply feeling, much more deeply, the presence and personality of a being than by attempting to appease a more superficial approach such as to the image of someone you saw in a porno, a celebrity, on the street, in the halls, or whatever.
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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: unisus]
#18218051 - 05/05/13 01:55 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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There is absolutely no -- zero -- intrinsic connection between any sex act (alone or with others) and "love."
The supposed connection between sex and love has been foisted on us by institutional religion. Let's recognize the "connection" as invalid -- an attempt by others to control our bodies and the enjoyment of them -- and move on.
Sure, the sex act can, for some, be more fulfilling and emotionally gratifying when layered with love. Just like my birthday can be more gratifying when people email me on the day and tell me how much they love me. It's always nice to know that people love you and wish you well.
But "sex" and "love" are two different things.
Totally.
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unisus
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all this beauty said: There is absolutely no -- zero -- intrinsic connection between any sex act (alone or with others) and "love."
The supposed connection between sex and love has been foisted on us by institutional religion. Let's recognize the "connection" as invalid -- an attempt by others to control our bodies and the enjoyment of them -- and move on.
Sure, the sex act can, for some, be more fulfilling and emotionally gratifying when layered with love. Just like my birthday can be more gratifying when people email me on the day and tell me how much they love me. It's always nice to know that people love you and wish you well.
But "sex" and "love" are two different things.
Totally.
I'll agree with this; however, the love I am referring to is the appreciation of a person—their human nuances, needs, and pleasure. These aspects act as barriers between us depending upon our attitudes toward them. For instance, some people hate redheads—but, they meet a fairly attractive person who happens to be redheaded; by focusing on the masturbation fantasy of having sex with a redhead, and then exploring other fantasies, such a person may find their lower chakras opening up to the heart when it comes to the respect, acknowledgement, appreciation, and celebration of all redheads—and they may even come to prefer them.
Additionally, I have certainly been in relationships and due to the adoration and experiences during sexual pleasure, I found myself more attached to a person; after losing this relationship, I couldn't get them off my mind—and began rectifying all sorts of things about them that I disliked (learning to love them, even the imperfection.) Sex and love are not simply layers; they are, if you let them, intertwined—but not always.
My friend—that is an expansion of love.
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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: unisus]
#18218549 - 05/05/13 04:14 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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unisus said: Sex and love are not simply layers; they are, if you let them, intertwined—but not always.
I'm an ardent advocate of separating the sex act from notions of "love" because I believe the intertwining of the two does damage to both. (This view of mine is not to be confused, of course, with involuntary sex acts involving others -- which are totally repugnant acts of barbarism.)
Sex (alone or with others) can be 100 percent fulfilling without the interjection of any notion of love or affection, spiritually-speaking or otherwise. The sex urge is a primordial urge shared by human beings and cockroaches alike. No substantive difference there.
"Love" can be 100 percent fulfilling without the interjection of any suggestion of sex. I feel only sorrow for someone who has never experienced love in the absence of sexual urge.
We may not be disagreeing on anything of substance here. I do appreciate the exchange however, unisus.
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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: Silversoul]
#18220126 - 05/05/13 10:25 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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No. If anything it makes me not desire my girlfriend and crave attention from other females. It weakens my sex drive when I need it most and often times leaves me feeling drained
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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: Relajarse]
#18220197 - 05/05/13 10:40 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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I've had some pretty weird spiritual thoughts after masturbating. But mostly I just feel dirty
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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: B Nice]
#18225712 - 05/07/13 02:35 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Can masturbation be spiritual? From my point of view (I am an eclectic hellenic pagan) the answer is: absolutely yes.
I can not cite any sources for it, but, as long as I know, masturbation was considered (in ancient Greece) a gift to the mankind from the god Pan (some people belive it was a gift from Hermes). To practice masturbation, may be a way to recognize the value of a gift from that God.
Moreover, even if any kind of sex is a generally regarded as a source of ritual impurity (technically called "miasma"), I heard some devout women claim that, for a woman whit a strong devoutness and a deep connection to Dionysus, it is feasible to masturbate during some specific solitary rites dedicated to this God.
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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: Silversoul]
#18259086 - 05/13/13 05:36 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Silversoul said: Lots of people into New Age or Eastern spirituality like to talk about "sacred sexuality." Interest in tantric sex is growing in the West, and it's easy to see how a sexual encounter can feel spiritually liberating. But what about masturbation? Is there any way of making that a kind of spiritual or sacred exercise? I have to say that it's certainly never felt very spiritual to me. What's more, I've heard that tantric practitioners tend to frown on masturbation, since the point in their practice is to avoid ejaculation. So what say you? Do you find anything spiritual or transcendent in masturbation?
yeah, I guess you have to define "spiritual" cause if we're talking some casual western usage.... Once you understand spirit and spiritual in your own way, then the spirit kind of STICKS OUT and will direct and guide you. how is this accomplished, not sure, but when you know, you'll know.
But like the following poster says, yes it can be (spiritual), like any thing else! but I know that doesnt answer your question.
But someone can dig where im coming from, even if they arent here right now.
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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: Vaizard]
#21274116 - 02/14/15 05:36 PM (9 years, 17 days ago) |
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I admit to masturbating when I really need to scrub one out but I think that thinking masturbation is spiritual is a disgusting notion. I think its just gross. I mean there are things that are gross that can be spiritual (for instance magic mushrooms grow on shit) but for the most part, follow your instinct on that one
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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: Luueschen] 1
#21274397 - 02/14/15 06:57 PM (9 years, 17 days ago) |
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When I'm in a higher state of consciousness I have no vested interest in whether things are spiritual or not, no morality, no laws, no game going, I don't care what I do. I'm alive, curious, sensitive, and life is one great big surprise. Sometimes I masturbate, other times I sit and watch the sun rise, but sometimes both, other times neither.
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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: CosmicJoke] 1
#21274419 - 02/14/15 07:01 PM (9 years, 17 days ago) |
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yep right as you nut it feels like you just been forgiving all your sins. very spirtual
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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: Algo] 1
#21275055 - 02/14/15 09:59 PM (9 years, 17 days ago) |
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AlgoRythm said: yep right as you nut it feels like you just been forgiving all your sins. very spirtual
Hmm, I guess for those who feel disgusted with themselves after they masturbate, maybe they could use some authoritative BDSM 'spank me I've been a bad boy/forgive me father for I have sinned' nasty, pig Zeus cosmic daddy/momma fantasy.....
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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: Silversoul]
#21284667 - 02/16/15 06:19 PM (9 years, 15 days ago) |
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Silversoul said: Lots of people into New Age or Eastern spirituality like to talk about "sacred sexuality." Interest in tantric sex is growing in the West, and it's easy to see how a sexual encounter can feel spiritually liberating. But what about masturbation? Is there any way of making that a kind of spiritual or sacred exercise? I have to say that it's certainly never felt very spiritual to me. What's more, I've heard that tantric practitioners tend to frown on masturbation, since the point in their practice is to avoid ejaculation. So what say you? Do you find anything spiritual or transcendent in masturbation?
Why couldn't masterbation be spiritual. Lol. Cause some body said it wasn't. Lol
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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: doughnut]
#21285018 - 02/16/15 07:15 PM (9 years, 15 days ago) |
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Its hard to find an act that is so undeniably egotistic. Which doesnt mean that there is anything wrong with it. Spiritual people seem full of prejudice toward a lot of things though.
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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: cbub]
#21285602 - 02/16/15 09:31 PM (9 years, 15 days ago) |
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I personally feel as if anything and everything can be spiritual if it is perceived and practiced in a certain way.
Even if masturbation has a negative connotation, negativity is still a fundamental part of this universe.
So, if you are masturbating, and if you're 100% in full alignment with what it means to you, and you honor that...then I believe that is highly spiritual.
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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: Silversoul]
#21285724 - 02/16/15 10:17 PM (9 years, 15 days ago) |
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Silversoul said: Lots of people into New Age or Eastern spirituality like to talk about "sacred sexuality." Interest in tantric sex is growing in the West, and it's easy to see how a sexual encounter can feel spiritually liberating. But what about masturbation? Is there any way of making that a kind of spiritual or sacred exercise? I have to say that it's certainly never felt very spiritual to me. What's more, I've heard that tantric practitioners tend to frown on masturbation, since the point in their practice is to avoid ejaculation. So what say you? Do you find anything spiritual or transcendent in masturbation?
No. Masturbation cannot be "spiritual".
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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21285796 - 02/16/15 10:34 PM (9 years, 15 days ago) |
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Bill_Oreilly said:
No. Masturbation cannot be "spiritual".
How's come? From what I've read about spirituality, everything one does is part of one's sadhana (or spiritual work). Am I really to believe that people who are committed to spiritual awakening never masturbate?
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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: CosmicJoke]
#21285802 - 02/16/15 10:35 PM (9 years, 15 days ago) |
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you ever try edging? im sure someone has mentioned it by now. its like tantra with yourself.
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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: CosmicJoke]
#21285809 - 02/16/15 10:38 PM (9 years, 15 days ago) |
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CosmicJoke said:
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Bill_Oreilly said:
No. Masturbation cannot be "spiritual".
How's come? From what I've read about spirituality, everything one does is part of one's sadhana (or spiritual work). Am I really to believe that people who are committed to spiritual awakening never masturbate?
Its just my personal opinion.
I cant back it up with anything besides that.
i just perceive masturbation as something opposite to spiritual because spiritual isn't supposed to be selfish. And i think masturbation falls into the whole selfish category.
but if someone told me masturbation was spiritual FOR THEM then i wouldn't argue it.
But for ME snd how i view the world/spirituality...i don't consider masturbation as something i would deem as a possibility for being spiritual 
to say masturbation can be spiritual is like saying rubbing someones asshole can be spiritual. its just not MY cup of tea
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