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growing sclerotia?
    #21273910 - 02/14/15 04:35 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Alright so I've been wanting to grow psilocybin mushrooms for a while now and i've been researching the different way. I think what I want to do is use Mad bags to grow sclerotia (truffles) from pscilocybin mexicana invitro. does anyone have any knowledge in this or wisdom to share.
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Re: growing sclerotia? [Re: vermontshroomer]
    #21274274 - 02/14/15 06:20 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Stonesun has a great write up for just that. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13431948/page/1

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Re: growing sclerotia? [Re: mhiggins78]
    #21274290 - 02/14/15 06:25 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

:whathesaid:

Violet also has a great reference guide.


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Re: growing sclerotia? [Re: Fungus Mountain]
    #21277364 - 02/15/15 12:39 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

do you want tu fruit them or just harvest the sclerotias

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Re: growing sclerotia? [Re: germanshroomer]
    #21277370 - 02/15/15 12:40 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: growing sclerotia? [Re: taGyo]
    #21277629 - 02/15/15 01:18 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Well I wanted to harvest the sclerotia, but now i'm thinking I could just let them fruit in vitro. What do you think? I've heard penis envy is a good strain for this method.

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Re: growing sclerotia? [Re: vermontshroomer]
    #21278082 - 02/15/15 02:44 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Do both.  The cubes will happen faster than the stones. If you start both at the same time and just keep your self busy playing with the cubes, next thing you'll know is your harvesting some stones. :aweyeah:


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Re: growing sclerotia? [Re: Grey]
    #21278296 - 02/15/15 03:03 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

i would not try to fruit sclerotia forming species in vitro.  they will just form stones in vitro.  maybe if u open the lid it would work :shrug:
u have a higher chance of success with just going for stones.
if u aren't working with agar, u have an equal chance of getting a dirty cube syringe, and a dirty sclerotia species syringe, so u should decide which one you want to do, or which one u are able to pull off in ur situation.


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Re: growing sclerotia? [Re: blindingleaf]
    #21278315 - 02/15/15 03:07 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Make sure you don't order the P mexicana "Jalisco" variety - you'll want mexicana A or the other stone producers in the section mexicana (galindoi, tempanensis). Jalisco is only good for fruiting. :thumbup:


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Re: growing sclerotia? [Re: urthtown]
    #21278323 - 02/15/15 03:10 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

i got no stones from "chicon nindo" as well just FYI.  not sure if that is common or not.

i'd go with ATL7 if u can.  if u like looking at really clean spore solutions under the microscope, i'd hit up spore works.


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Re: growing sclerotia? [Re: blindingleaf]
    #21278336 - 02/15/15 03:13 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

My opinion is if you are going to fruit just go with a type of non sclerotia producing species, because like mentioned you will get your fruits faster, not to mention the fruits are more potent than just eating the sclerotia.


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Re: growing sclerotia? [Re: smokestack]
    #21280033 - 02/15/15 09:42 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

So chicon nindo is not a stone producer?? I just ordered some spores under the impression that all mexicana produced stones .

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Re: growing sclerotia? [Re: boodog420]
    #21280062 - 02/15/15 09:48 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I think chicon nindo does produce stones

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Re: growing sclerotia? [Re: vermontshroomer]
    #21280105 - 02/15/15 09:57 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I hope you are correct. Getting the spores tomorrow either way. Thanks

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Re: growing sclerotia? [Re: boodog420]
    #21281139 - 02/16/15 03:44 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

for me, they did not produce stones in vitro.
they did produce stones in bulk.
i was working with an isolate from spore though.  could have just been a genetic thing:shrug:

in either violets or stone suns threads, they talk about the different species and varieties that do better or worse as far as stone production and/or fruiting capability, so check that out.


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Re: growing sclerotia? [Re: blindingleaf]
    #21281190 - 02/16/15 04:41 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Take a note from my book, Tampensis ages a light brown. I threw away two agar plates thinking they were contamed. I later read this is perfectly normal, I guess I should have asked.


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Re: growing sclerotia? [Re: Jeff Vader]
    #21281241 - 02/16/15 05:36 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I think chicon nindo and jalisco both produce stones - just not very well. I got less than 2 grams dry stones off a quart of wheat berries.

When you look at the good stone grows on here - stonesun and violet's teks and/or logs are good places to look - you'll see mexicana A strain, tamps and galindoi. I wouldn't nocc up a ton of jars with chicon nindo expecting a large stone harvest. I'd grow them our for fruits and order or trade for a more solid stone producer. Good luck :thumbup:

Just FYI I have more stones in my 1 month old galindoi jars than I had in 6 month old jalisco jars and my jaliscos all ended up fruiting in vitro. :shrug:


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Re: growing sclerotia? [Re: urthtown]
    #21281293 - 02/16/15 06:12 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

i agree with urthtown.
i would stick to ATL7 or tamp.  although workman has said tamp is slowest of stone producers (but still yields well) i haven't found that to be true.  tamp on par with ATL7 as far as speed of stone production.  ATL7 was easier to fruit though when spawned to bulk.  seemed less picky about environment.
i have not messed with p. mex a strain, or jalisco though, so can't speak to that, but i remember cron saying he also did not get in vitro stones with jalisco, but did get them in bulk.

the prints from stone producers are worth their weight in gold in the marketplace, so whatever u ordered should treat u well come trade time :crazy2:


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Re: growing sclerotia? [Re: blindingleaf]
    #21281307 - 02/16/15 06:19 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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the prints from stone producers are worth their weight in gold in the marketplace, so whatever u ordered should treat u well come trade time :crazy2:




:whathesaid: I'm still getting in trades from my jalisco prints even though my stone grows failed. Also mexicana fruits are AWESOME. I love me some mexicana fruits. I rarely eat cubes these days.


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Re: growing sclerotia? [Re: urthtown]
    #21282366 - 02/16/15 11:49 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Sounds good  I've got tamp goin already for stones so maybe I'll just spawn the chicon nindo to bulk . thanks for the info

Edited by boodog420 (02/16/15 12:01 PM)

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Re: growing sclerotia? [Re: boodog420]
    #21290328 - 02/17/15 07:40 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

if I let it inoculate in a mycobag would it be better to put it in a terrarium or just let it fruit in the mycobag

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Re: growing sclerotia? [Re: taGyo]
    #21291238 - 02/17/15 10:40 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Violet: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17910649



Thanks for the link!

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Re: growing sclerotia? [Re: Dingaling]
    #21297944 - 02/19/15 10:05 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Would popcorn kernels be a suitable substrate for Tampanensis stone growth?


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Re: growing sclerotia? [Re: JustinCase]
    #21297955 - 02/19/15 10:08 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

no idea.  never used popcorn.
there is a lot of space btw kernels, which might help, and i assume popcorn holds a lot of water, which also helps.

check Violet's thread on sclerotia, and stone suns thread. both of those go into great depth about their cultivation, and discuss each species, and pro's/con's of substrate/grain choice.


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Re: growing sclerotia? [Re: blindingleaf]
    #21343630 - 02/28/15 02:57 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

This is my best jar of tampanensis . I've got about 20 more colonizing of rye,wbs,and a mix of the two. Are the dark white spots sclerotia ? Its been 100%  colonized for at least a week.

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Re: growing sclerotia? [Re: boodog420]
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Re: growing sclerotia? [Re: boodog420]
    #21344016 - 02/28/15 03:26 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

You'll know the stones when you see them - they are pretty distinct and you often get metabolites from yellows to rusty orange as it ages.



These are galindoi but the stones should look similar :thumbup:


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Re: growing sclerotia? [Re: urthtown]
    #21344895 - 02/28/15 05:13 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

How old are those?

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