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LAA = LSA , FYI
    #21271446 - 02/14/15 12:30 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Lysergic-Acid-Amide = LAA
LySergic-acid-Amide = LSA

LSA doesnt really make sense, You would say LAA :lol:

Where did 'LSA' come from?

Discuss.:toast:


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Re: LAA = LSA , FYI [Re: Zombi3]
    #21271449 - 02/14/15 12:31 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

then lsd would be

LAD


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Re: LAA = LSA , FYI [Re: Zombi3]
    #21271455 - 02/14/15 12:33 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

When I take high doses of HBWR, I get moments of lucidity for 15 to 45 minutes and start tripping again. Been this way for over 16 years. Anyone else ever experience this? At hour eight or ten I'd wonder if I was still tripping and then wormholes and spiraling tornados bend reality and shit.

Good old LSA.

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Re: LAA = LSA , FYI [Re: SunnyD]
    #21271457 - 02/14/15 12:34 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Exactly.:cookiemonster:


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Re: LAA = LSA , FYI [Re: Adden]
    #21271458 - 02/14/15 12:34 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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TEMPLAR PALADIN said:
Good old LSA.



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Re: LAA = LSA , FYI [Re: Zombi3]
    #21271461 - 02/14/15 12:36 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I think you just answered your own question but speaking of lsa I once ate 12 hbwr on an empty stomach, I took odansetron to help with nausea it helped with the nausea but the seeds gave me horrible stomach cramps.
I think what I felt can be compared to a girls period so that's interesting I'm a dude and I can say I know what a period feels like haha.
Anyways the trip wasn't worth the cramps fuck that shit. A couple weeks ago I was gonna try it again but just the smell off the crushed up seeds made my stomach cramp it was like PTSD for me.


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Re: LAA = LSA , FYI [Re: Adden]
    #21271465 - 02/14/15 12:36 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Ive had amazing and strong trips on LSA
but idk if i can relate..

Dont do it no more


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Re: LAA = LSA , FYI [Re: SunnyD]
    #21271471 - 02/14/15 12:38 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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then lsd would be

LAD



This^

Your acronym is totally arbitrary.


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Re: LAA = LSA , FYI [Re: SunnyD]
    #21271477 - 02/14/15 12:41 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Yea aler

just the smell taste or thought of HBWR makes me wanna heave...
after that 8hr of wanting to heave (trip)


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Re: LAA = LSA , FYI [Re: Zombi3] * 2
    #21271514 - 02/14/15 12:56 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Zombi3 said:
Lysergic-Acid-Amide = LAA
LySergic-acid-Amide = LSA

LSA doesnt really make sense, You would say LAA :lol:

Where did 'LSA' come from?

Discuss.:toast:



LSA came from the original german name Lysergsäureamid. Säure is acidic or "sour" in german. Back in the day, chemicals were often tasted and acidic chemicals are commonly sour.

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Re: LAA = LSA , FYI [Re: I_was_the_walrus]
    #21271523 - 02/14/15 01:01 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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I_was_the_walrus said:
LSA came from the original german name .




So:
LySergsäureAmid

or
LysergSäureAmid


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Re: LAA = LSA , FYI [Re: Zombi3]
    #21271567 - 02/14/15 01:30 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Zombi3 said:
Where did 'LSA' come from?
Discuss.:toast:



S=Saure (acid in German)


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Re: LAA = LSA , FYI [Re: Zombi3]
    #21271572 - 02/14/15 01:33 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

LysergSäureAmid. An amide is an important functional group. Lysergic acid is the main moiety aka LysergSäure. When germans come up with a name for a new thing, they often just cram together already know things

Example:
Hand = hand
Shoe = shuhe
gloves = Handschuhe
literally means "finger shoes"

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Re: LAA = LSA , FYI [Re: LSDylan]
    #21272536 - 02/14/15 09:48 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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LSA came from the original german name Lysergsäureamid.




"LSA" may well relate to the German title but you know that "LSA" has never been written in any professional academic publications.* It's amusing how the one publication I have where lysergsäureamid is used does not use "LSA" as an abbreviation, although the abbreviation the article does use is probably inaccurate.




Source: Solms, H. 1956. Chemische Struktur und Psychose bei Lysergsäure-Derivaten. Praxis, 45:746.


I will provide some background information on the abbreviation used in the article. This abbreviation is based on the Sandoz code name, LA-111; this code name was created based on lysergic acid and was applied to lysergic acid amide before lysergic acid amide was known to be a naturally-occurring chemical.


Further reading: morning glory seed info archive


*With the exception of a few recent publications that picked up the "LSA" slang name.



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Quote:

Daddyzomed said:
then lsd would be

LAD



This^

Your acronym is totally arbitrary.




Don't be so presumptuous. As implied in my post, lysergic acid diethylamide (lysergsäurediethylamid) is called LSD for historical/stylistic reasons. The title "LSA" promoted by Erowid does not have the same authority behind it as LSD and there's no justification for English speakers to use a German-based abbreviation, save for that of mimicking LSD, if you consider that a justification...





Source: TiHKAL. Alexander Shulgin & Ann Shulgin. 1997. Part 1, p. 313.


edit: removed flame.

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Re: LAA = LSA , FYI [Re: s240779] * 1
    #21272562 - 02/14/15 09:56 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Why are you always so mean to everybody

So you know a lot of shit big whoop doesn't mean you have to be a jerk


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Re: LAA = LSA , FYI [Re: s240779]
    #21272609 - 02/14/15 10:10 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

That may be true, but if being mean means being accurate I'd perfer that trade-off.

The LSA acronym convention mostly comes from LSD, the LS part of the acronym is meant to signify the Lysergic group

because things like acids in the common name aren't usually considered in establishing an acronym out of simplicity.

Functional groups and common name associations, like lysergic or caffeic, take precedence over chemical characteristics like an acid or base.


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Re: LAA = LSA , FYI [Re: Yukon Cornelius] * 1
    #21272621 - 02/14/15 10:12 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

He could just as easily share his knowledge without coming off as a jerk and a know-it-all


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Re: LAA = LSA , FYI [Re: Yukon Cornelius]
    #21272650 - 02/14/15 10:20 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Sorry.


I'm surprised Zombi made this thread because ergot* is not a popular subject on the drug forums, let alone the details of the names used for one of its chemicals...


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The LSA acronym convention mostly comes from LSD, the LS part of the acronym is meant to signify the Lysergic group

because things like acids in the common name aren't usually considered in establishing an acronym out of simplicity.




You're wrong. LSD: MY Problem Child (1979, Albert Hofmann) states that in the context of world distribution, Sandoz specifically chose to base the abbreviation of lysergic acid diethylamide on the German title. How are you going to state that LSD is based on lysergic... when you're also acknowledging that it's based on lysergsäurediethylamid. And how are you going to state the same thing when I pointed out that Sasha Shulgin, an ingenius chemist, specified LAA as an abbreviation for lysergic acid amide? :lol:

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Re: LAA = LSA , FYI [Re: OhMrJohnson]
    #21272653 - 02/14/15 10:21 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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He could just as easily share his knowledge without coming off as a jerk and a know-it-all




The jerk part I agree with, his first comment was unnecessary.

However about being a know-it-all, yeah we're not in the 6th grade anymore you can't pull that card.

He provided a detailed explanation directly addressing the OP, that's all the necessary criteria for posting a response to his question.

I'm not defending the way he did it, just the fact he's right.


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Re: LAA = LSA , FYI [Re: Yukon Cornelius]
    #21272663 - 02/14/15 10:23 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I can pull whatever card I like thank you very much


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