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mustangbob3
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Re: If light is so important [Re: Mr. Alien]
#21268236 - 02/13/15 09:49 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Mr. Alien said: After all we took decades to understand how plants convert light to energy. Mushrooms may have a similar process. Mushrooms lack in chlorophyl but that doesn't mean they don't have another way to obtain energy from light. I suspect melanin take a huge role in light energy absorption. And we measure the light in our mushrooms by lux units not lumens.
sorry just being sloppy in first few posts i did say lux/lumens to cover both ways.
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RR was an active member on this forum for a very long time... The understanding of mushrooms and growing techniques changed a lot in the time he was here. New understanding often contradicts the old.
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mustangbob3
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Re: If light is so important [Re: Northerner]
#21268262 - 02/13/15 09:54 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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i think the amount of imformation on light and mushrooms being shared and discussed in this thread is amazing and a great place for someone to start digging for more information to set up experiments in this area.
and that is needed as we dont fully understand it all! 
great exchange of ideas folks
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Re: If light is so important [Re: mustangbob3]
#21268265 - 02/13/15 09:55 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Personally I believe that the importance of light is more to establish a circadian rhythm more than anything. This seems to have a direct impact on speed of maturation and the off periods with no light are definitely key points where growth rate is concerned. Violet did a test a while back with an isolate and found that direct light causes faster more forced maturation vs indirect or diffuse light. In the end the slower growth diffuse lighting produced more weight but also took substancially longer. I would like to see more work done on this.
As with most things in this hobby I believe balance is key. I will continue to light my grows but I am not about to invest real time or money into it. I certainly don't feel any need to have extreme direct lighting 3" above each chamber.
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Re: If light is so important [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21268285 - 02/13/15 10:01 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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that was my original point. that if we have got away with such low intensity light all this time, the colour of the light is probably where the benefit of cfls comes from and not intensity.(replicating the seasonal conditions in that they fruit )
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PinPornProducer said: How many of you have grown in total darkness? I have. How many of you have witnessed the results of growing in total darkness? I have. How many of you have experienced the potency of mushrooms grown in total darkness? I have. I then grew in total darkness and added lack of fae and that's when small caps and hollowed stems same into play. I have fruits growing in a closed bucket growing straight up
What method was better? Light or no light? Or do you eluding that light literally has zero impact on your grow?
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Re: If light is so important [Re: Bugler Boy]
#21268298 - 02/13/15 10:05 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Have you done 12/12 PPP?
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PinPornProducer
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Re: If light is so important [Re: Bugler Boy]
#21268309 - 02/13/15 10:09 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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PinPornProducer said: How many of you have grown in total darkness? I have. How many of you have witnessed the results of growing in total darkness? I have. How many of you have experienced the potency of mushrooms grown in total darkness? I have. I then grew in total darkness and added lack of fae and that's when small caps and hollowed stems same into play. I have fruits growing in a closed bucket growing straight up
What method was better? Light or no light? Or do you eluding that light literally has zero impact on your grow?
They took about a week longer to mature but they were best looking, most dense potent fruits I have grown. Like I said earlier, a flash from a camera was basically the only daily light they were receiving. But, it was pinned under extreme lighting and then moved to complete darkness.
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okay so maybe now i give a fuck about light a little, but im still not about to hook up lights for the bastards.In a month or so when i start all my seeds for spring and i have my HPS running maybe ill find something out for myself. anyway this is great amount of knowledge people.Please keep sharing your thoughts and experiences. one day we will KNOW how much/ what type of light actually makes a difference.
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Re: If light is so important [Re: bw86] 1
#21268408 - 02/13/15 10:40 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Maybe extreme light penetrates deeper into the sub triggering more pins, my pinsets are usually wall to wall. After the sub has pinned and starting to fruit any benefit from light has already been used and is now obsolete
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Re: If light is so important [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21268422 - 02/13/15 10:44 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Personally I believe that the importance of light is more to establish a circadian rhythm more than anything. This seems to have a direct impact on speed of maturation and the off periods with no light are definitely key points where growth rate is concerned. Violet did a test a while back with an isolate and found that direct light causes faster more forced maturation vs indirect or diffuse light. In the end the slower growth diffuse lighting produced more weight but also took substancially longer. I would like to see more work done on this.
As with most things in this hobby I believe balance is key. I will continue to light my grows but I am not about to invest real time or money into it. I certainly don't feel any need to have extreme direct lighting 3" above each chamber.

Any link to that Violet test?
I always believed they just liked to know night and day and always grow more in the night cycles.
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Re: If light is so important [Re: Northerner]
#21268447 - 02/13/15 10:50 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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PinPornProducer said: How many of you have grown in total darkness?
I have been browsing this site for a decade and you are the only one I have seen to have stellar results in total darkenss.
I've not been lurking nearly as long, but I agree.
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Pastywhyte said: Personally I believe that the importance of light is more to establish a circadian rhythm more than anything. This seems to have a direct impact on speed of maturation and the off periods with no light are definitely key points where growth rate is concerned. Violet did a test a while back with an isolate and found that direct light causes faster more forced maturation vs indirect or diffuse light. In the end the slower growth diffuse lighting produced more weight but also took substancially longer. I would like to see more work done on this.
As with most things in this hobby I believe balance is key. I will continue to light my grows but I am not about to invest real time or money into it. I certainly don't feel any need to have extreme direct lighting 3" above each chamber.
I've always thought that circadian was the main reason too.
I have not tested nearly as strictly and often as Violet probably has. But, I have noticed a pattern with this.
In my own grows, I've noticed there may be a such thing as too much light. I've used multiple shop lights to create a lot of light and caps seem to open earlier so I end up with smaller fruits.
When I just used ambient window light, caps were smaller and lighter in color and stipes where more crooked, thin, and longer.
I think angle of light plays a role. Directly above a FC, a lot of light just gets reflected off the top or lid as well as the white glistening surface of the myc. At an angle, more of the light gets through the walls of the FC. I can't say how much of an affect this has on growth, but if you are concerned about having enough light, consider your light placement and not just adding more light.
These days, I have a 4 foot double tube shop light on the wall near the ceiling and to windows. My shelving unit is about 2 feet from the wall so the shop light is at a high angle. I do like the results with the light more than just with the windows and vice-versa.
Exactly why it works this way, I can't pin-point. There could be other factors. But, I think the importance of light is over-rated by some and under-estimated by others.
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wowimflabbergasted
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Pastywhyte
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Well SBJ the earlier maturation (and not necessarily better) was violets conclusion as well. I am not sure if we want just ambiant light but I do think that it does not need to be as direct or intense as was once thought. I'm on my phone but I will try and link it when I get home.
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Re: If light is so important [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21268541 - 02/13/15 11:16 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Well SBJ the earlier maturation (and not necessarily better) was violets conclusion as well. I am not sure if we want just ambiant light but I do think that it does not need to be as direct or intense as was once thought. I'm on my phone but I will try and link it when I get home.
I have 3 tubs I spawned within the week, once they start pinning I am going to cover the tops of my tubs with heavy black plastic to block out most of the direct intense overhead light. I have been trying to figure out why my first flushes mature so early and now after being part of this thread I am almost certain it's my lighting. All my other conditions are optimal, it's been disappointing to me as how nice of a pinset I consistently get only to have the fruits break veil at 2"-3" tall
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Re: If light is so important [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21268576 - 02/13/15 11:24 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yes. That's what I think too and so long-windedly was trying to point out. There seems to be a point where too much light can have unwanted affects just as much as too little light can.
There are always exceptions and outliers though. I think genetics can play a role in light response as well. This is why many set ups can work differently for some people; some genetics may respond differently in some situations.
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I'm kinda thinking intense direct lighting for a great pinset then indirect less intense lighting for fruiting but lighting kept on the same 12 on 12 off cycle throught the whole process.
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PinPornProducer said: I'm kinda thinking intense direct lighting for a great pinset then indirect less intense lighting for fruiting but lighting kept on the same 12 on 12 off cycle throught the whole process.
Maybe try it both ways.
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Pastywhyte
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Pastywhyte said: Well SBJ the earlier maturation (and not necessarily better) was violets conclusion as well. I am not sure if we want just ambiant light but I do think that it does not need to be as direct or intense as was once thought. I'm on my phone but I will try and link it when I get home.
I have 3 tubs I spawned within the week, once they start pinning I am going to cover the tops of my tubs with heavy black plastic to block out most of the direct intense overhead light. I have been trying to figure out why my first flushes mature so early and now after being part of this thread I am almost certain it's my lighting. All my other conditions are optimal, it's been disappointing to me as how nice of a pinset I consistently get only to have the fruits break veil at 2"-3" tall
I'm not entirely sure that is your problem. You mainly grow KSSS correct? That variety is well known for putting out fat ass fruits. While some people have had "normal" sized grows with them, I have yet to see any exceptionally large fruits from that variety first flush. Consolidation of the sub and the application of a casing layer does seem to help similar to preventing blobbing with PE. As for myself i find that the fatass KSSS fruits are very dense and yields in the end seem to even out when compared with most other classic varieties at least IME they do.
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